Confirmed with Link: All Encompassing Arena Talk: Meruelo focused on winning auction, but now may be looking for buyers (in and out of state)

[Coyotedroppings]

Cool, so looks like we get 10 more weeks of morons throwing darts at this, speculating - er, pulling things from their behinds - reasons why this still might not happen...

I think it will be more than ten weeks and rightly so, even after Glendale happened, it didn't happen. Long road ahead of us.... we hope.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

What exactly happens after the auction? Say they win, what is the immediate next step? Obviously there are more hurdles before shovels hit the ground but I’m not sure if those hurdles are more than just formalities to be sorted out?

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Also everyone needs to remember this isn’t like Tempe1st and Lauren Kuby tanking the Tempe vote in favor of a park and affordable housing and then nothing f***ing happens because they just wanted the deal dead.

Any entity that wants to compete with the coyotes for this land needs a significant and comparable plan, they can’t just outbid the coyotes and then abandon the plan. I’d like to think if there were going to be competitors we’d be hearing about some by now .

 

[Joe Cooley]

Coyotes clear to bid on land for new arena site

The Coyotes, who have been searching for a permanent home since their former owner took the franchise in bankruptcy in 2009, have the green light to bid on a tract of land in north Phoenix to build a new arena.

www.espn.com

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think it will be more than ten weeks and rightly so, even after Glendale happened, it didn't happen. Long road ahead of us.... we hope.

Glendale was a completely different beast. First of all, it was in the middle of nowhere. Second, Ellman and Moyes split soon after the team moved; now, there's only one owner. And, most importantly, the land value and surrounding community at the Hundred Acre Wood makes the Glendale parcel look like Tempe's waste dump.

But also, on the hockey ops side, Moyes' idea of success was stunt casting Wayne Gretzky and the FoG clown circus. Meruelo, on the other hand, has hired good people and invested in coaching, development, and scouting.

The only trick is surviving 4 more years at Mullett. If we can do that long enough for the new barn to go up, we'll be in good shape.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Glendale was a completely different beast. First of all, it was in the middle of nowhere. Second, Ellman and Moyes split soon after the team moved; now, there's only one owner. And, most importantly, the land value and surrounding community at the Hundred Acre Wood makes the Glendale parcel look like Tempe's waste dump.

But also, on the hockey ops side, Moyes' idea of success was stunt casting Wayne Gretzky and the FoG clown circus. Meruelo, on the other hand, has hired good people and invested in coaching, development, and scouting.

The only trick is surviving 4 more years at Mullett. If we can do that long enough for the new barn to go up, we'll be in good shape.

Love the optimism, but you do understand this is still the Coyotes?
The same ED parallel applies here as well. I won’t go on and on, shouldn’t have to, but this is far from an empty net, done deal.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Love the optimism, but you do understand this is still the Coyotes?
The same ED parallel applies here as well. I won’t go on and on, shouldn’t have to, but this is far from an empty net, done deal.

I know the Coyotes version of Murphy's Law is that if anything can go wrong, it will do so in the most ridiculous way possible.

But that aside, this is the best possible scenario for the Coyotes in Arizona. If it doesn't work, move the team. At that point, there will be no recovery, IMO.

 

[MIGs Dog]

this is the best possible scenario for the Coyotes in Arizona.

I think so too. Better than the Tempe-toxic-waste-flight-path location.

 

[GhostofTommyBolin]

Love the optimism, but you do understand this is still the Coyotes?
The same ED parallel applies here as well. I won’t go on and on, shouldn’t have to, but this is far from an empty net, done deal.

Bingo.

I don't believe it's getting done and won't until it's opening night and the puck drops. I was born at night, but not last night.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I know the Coyotes version of Murphy's Law is that if anything can go wrong, it will do so in the most ridiculous way possible.

But that aside, this is the best possible scenario for the Coyotes in Arizona. If it doesn't work, move the team. At that point, there will be no recovery, IMO.

I refuse to give up/in, if this doesn’t move forward, but man I’m getting tired.

Bingo.

I don't believe it's getting done and won't until it's opening night and the puck drops. I was born at night, but not last night.

Stranger things have happened, but I’m sure not banking on it yet.

 

[TheLegend]

I refuse to give up/in, if this doesn’t move forward, but man I’m getting tired.

Couldn’t blame anyone for feeling that way.

Stranger things have happened, but I’m sure not banking on it yet.

I wouldn’t bank on anything at all. This is all on Meruelo to get it done and if he can’t then we’re probably screwed.

 

[Jakey53]

Glendale was a completely different beast. First of all, it was in the middle of nowhere. Second, Ellman and Moyes split soon after the team moved; now, there's only one owner. And, most importantly, the land value and surrounding community at the Hundred Acre Wood makes the Glendale parcel look like Tempe's waste dump.

But also, on the hockey ops side, Moyes' idea of success was stunt casting Wayne Gretzky and the FoG clown circus. Meruelo, on the other hand, has hired good people and invested in coaching, development, and scouting.

The only trick is surviving 4 more years at Mullett. If we can do that long enough for the new barn to go up, we'll be in good shape.

It will be two years at the Mullett. Maybe a couple of months into the third season.

 

[Jakey53]

Love the optimism, but you do understand this is still the Coyotes?
The same ED parallel applies here as well. I won’t go on and on, shouldn’t have to, but this is far from an empty net, done deal.

I have no idea why you are always negative with this ownership? They aren't perfect buy either is anyone of us.

 

[Jakey53]

I know the Coyotes version of Murphy's Law is that if anything can go wrong, it will do so in the most ridiculous way possible.

But that aside, this is the best possible scenario for the Coyotes in Arizona. If it doesn't work, move the team. At that point, there will be no recovery, IMO.

Call me crazy but if this goes south, I think AM has an option to buy another site where he could pivot quickly. One big positive is that we heard Phoenix wants the Coyote's as much as the Coyote's want this deal.

Bingo.

I don't believe it's getting done and won't until it's opening night and the puck drops. I was born at night, but not last night.

The way to talk I think it was last night.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Call me crazy but if this goes south, I think AM has an option to buy another site where he could pivot quickly.

Well, that would be nice, but "pivot quickly" isn't a thing that happens in a process like this. If the Hundred Acre Wood doesn't work out, the process will have to start over from scratch (again), and that's when you start wondering how much patience the league really has left for this.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Feels like getting the land at least should be pretty straightforward now, even if another bidder emerges at the last minute. Still a ton of things to get right afterwards, obviously, but once AM has the lot, it will be hard to completely stop the process.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I have no idea why you are always negative with this ownership? They aren't perfect buy either is anyone of us.

I didn’t mention ownership in the post you responded to. I am not always negative, I’ve complimented them on staying out of hockey ops.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Well, that would be nice, but "pivot quickly" isn't a thing that happens in a process like this. If the Hundred Acre Wood doesn't work out, the process will have to start over from scratch (again), and that's when you start wondering how much patience the league really has left for this.

Don’t you think that if they just purchase private land, w/o a zoning issue they could pivot rather quickly? I know…. No easy task!

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Don’t you think that if they just purchase private land, w/o a zoning issue they could pivot rather quickly? I know…. No easy task!

The question then becomes, where is there a private land plat big enough for an entertainment district that's anywhere near either a) all the money in the Valley like this one is, or b) a centralized location that would make up for the lack of land value and income by being convenient?

I don't think one exists. The land by Sloan Park they were talking about before is borderline for (b) but nowhere near (a).

 

[Coyotedroppings]

The question then becomes, where is there a private land plat big enough for an entertainment district that's anywhere near either a) all the money in the Valley like this one is, or b) a centralized location that would make up for the lack of land value and income by being convenient?

I don't think one exists. The land by Sloan Park they were talking about before is borderline for (b) but nowhere near (a).

Completely agree, but if (a) can’t drive to (b), the future looks bleak for the NHL in the valley. (A) is not going to support a poor performing team, beyond the initial honeymoon phase. This is what happened in Glendale and yes, I know it was “the perfect storm” of lock out, economy etc…

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Completely agree, but if (a) can’t drive to (b), the future looks bleak for the NHL in the valley. (A) is not going to support a poor performing team, beyond the initial honeymoon phase. This is what happened in Glendale and yes, I know it was “the perfect storm” of lock out, economy etc…

Well, I figure (a) has more disposable income to waste on underperforming teams as long as said team plays basically in their backyard. A bad night of hockey is more palatable if you're not adding a 45-minute commute to the bargain (see: Glendale and 20 years' worth of threads on HFBoards ).

A lot fewer "money to burn" folks in the Sloan Park area, unfortunately - same problem we had with the barn in Glendale.

 

[Jakey53]

The question then becomes, where is there a private land plat big enough for an entertainment district that's anywhere near either a) all the money in the Valley like this one is, or b) a centralized location that would make up for the lack of land value and income by being convenient?

I don't think one exists. The land by Sloan Park they were talking about before is borderline for (b) but nowhere near (a).

I agree, and I don't think it will come down to that. The Coyote's and Phoenix have spent the last year on this.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Well, I figure (a) has more disposable income to waste on underperforming teams as long as said team plays basically in their backyard. A bad night of hockey is more palatable if you're not adding a 45-minute commute to the bargain

Good point, particularly after having played Detroit last night…. they have and have had a lot of “no show” sth’s that hang in there, at least $ wise.

Edit: but then again, that’s Detroit, with a lot of hockey history.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Good point, particularly after having played Detroit last night…. they have and have had a lot of “no show” sth’s that hang in there, at least $ wise.

Edit: but then again, that’s Detroit, with a lot of hockey history.

I think the Mullett price point contributes to that. I am hoping that the new barn prices will be more sensible.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

I think that AM is the best owner this team has ever had. If he fails I'll be disappointed, but I won't blame him. He's been trying, which is more than anyone else has done.