Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17

[Oates2Neely]

Avs spiraling downhill, maybe good time to discuss shakeup trade with Sakic? Do they have dmen who would fit in Boston?

 

[Pia8988]

Why Can't Don use Krug to get Trouba then replace Mr. 9-0-0-0..-5.
With a LHD which is supposedly easier to get.

Because you dont make rash decisions after 9 games. Krug just had major shoulder surhery, he isnt going to be back to his old self instantly.

 

[BlackFrancis]

I think it puts you over the top. May not be popular to say that, but it's how I feel.

Krug - Trouba
Chara - Carlo
Liles - K. Miller

****. Looks pretty nice to me. Carlo has put us in this curious place where we may no longer NEED that top four guy... But to get one would take our defense from passable, to pretty stinkin good.

So, not only do the Bruins acquiesce to the Jets demands, for a player everyone has anointed a top pairing defenseman despite never having been a top pairing defenseman, but the reward for buckling on Trouba is playing Krug on the first pairing? When he's barely been worthy of holding down a bottom pairing this season?

The more trade proposals for Trouba I see, the less I want to see the Bruins defense "fixed".

They have had one consistent problem thus far - that third line. Third lines shouldn't be all that hard or expensive to fix. I'd much prefer Sweeney to allocate his time and resources there, before he takes on the difficult and costly problems on the defense.

 

[BruinDust]

Avs spiraling downhill, maybe good time to discuss shakeup trade with Sakic? Do they have dmen who would fit in Boston?

Well they just got Barrie done over the summer, so I'd assume he's not an option.

Erik Johnson maybe. Other than him I don't see a whole lot of interest from their D.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Either Spooner and a 1st or Krug and a 1st that's about all I would offer, maybe a meager prospect or Koko since we still own his rights

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

So, not only do the Bruins acquiesce to the Jets demands, for a player everyone has anointed a top pairing defenseman despite never having been a top pairing defenseman, but the reward for buckling on Trouba is playing Krug on the first pairing? When he's barely been worthy of holding down a bottom pairing this season?

The more trade proposals for Trouba I see, the less I want to see the Bruins defense "fixed".

They have had one consistent problem thus far - that third line. Third lines shouldn't be all that hard or expensive to fix. I'd much prefer Sweeney to allocate his time and resources there, before he takes on the difficult and costly problems on the defense.

I don't even know where to start...

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Avs spiraling downhill, maybe good time to discuss shakeup trade with Sakic? Do they have dmen who would fit in Boston?

honestly it's probably in the Avs best interest to just let the season play out and add another top notch draft pick (preferably a D). I don't think they have the kind of depth where a trade is going to suddenly turn them into a good team. If they make any trades it will be in the interest of shedding salary (aka tanking), not shaking things up (which the coaching change should have accomplished)

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

So, not only do the Bruins acquiesce to the Jets demands, for a player everyone has anointed a top pairing defenseman despite never having been a top pairing defenseman, but the reward for buckling on Trouba is playing Krug on the first pairing? When he's barely been worthy of holding down a bottom pairing this season?

The more trade proposals for Trouba I see, the less I want to see the Bruins defense "fixed".

They have had one consistent problem thus far - that third line. Third lines shouldn't be all that hard or expensive to fix. I'd much prefer Sweeney to allocate his time and resources there, before he takes on the difficult and costly problems on the defense.

Vatrano & Backes getting healthy most likely fixes your 3rd line.

It would be incredibly stupid and reactionary to take this 10 game sample size and conclude that the defense is fine and the 3rd line is our biggest problem. During this stretch that might be the case, but make no mistake, the Bruins defense still needs a solid top 4 guy more than anything else.

 

[northeastern]

Vatrano & Backes getting healthy most likely fixes your 3rd line.

It would be incredibly stupid and reactionary to take this 10 game sample size and conclude that the defense is fine and the 3rd line is our biggest problem. During this stretch that might be the case, but make no mistake, the Bruins defense still needs a solid top 4 guy more than anything else.

Agreed. The offense didn't worry me at all, dk will come around and the third long will get an overhaul from inside and maybe one player will be added at the deadline if needed but nothing major.

The D on the other hand needs a true stopgap like trouba or another legit 1-3...

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Can't think just short term. ... Chara most likely is gone in 2 - 4 years. Then what is left is Krug, Carlo, Trouba.
Personally would rather have that plus McAvoy. Would cover the next 8 - 10 years. Plus hopefully one or two of the LH D prospects, not used in the trade, exceed expectations and fill in around Krug.

So need to find another way to acquire Trouba. (I know I'm greedy)

Finally someone said it. Yes Chara has been good but come on ppl he is done in 2 years, then what. We need the best D prospect to remain with us. McAvoy could be a Doughty type player, do you give that up for Trouba and more, no way. There is so many other options for Sweeney to deal for him, if it is even a consideration. Cap issues means McQuaid and even Kevan may need to go to make room for Trouba. Spooner and a 1st or Spooner, McQuaid or Kevan and a prospect.

 

[NeelyDan]

Because you dont make rash decisions after 9 games. Krug just had major shoulder surhery, he isnt going to be back to his old self instantly.

In either direction, which is why the Carlo talk has gone completely off the rails.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Vatrano & Backes getting healthy most likely fixes your 3rd line.

It would be incredibly stupid and reactionary to take this 10 game sample size and conclude that the defense is fine and the 3rd line is our biggest problem. During this stretch that might be the case, but make no mistake, the Bruins defense still needs a solid top 4 guy more than anything else.

That's a fair take.

I still say, no matter how much help the defense needs, it will cost too much in assets and cap. People are throwing around silly deals and numbers - Carlo/Spooner/1st, $6M/per for Trouba. This doesn't take into consideration sitting on your hands waiting for Cheveldayoff to decide to make deal finally. If St. Louis had come out of the gate poorly, Shattenkirk would have been a great target but the Blues and Shattenkirk both look pretty good.

Someone mentioned it regarding Vatrano before, but I think some are penciling him in as a productive forward a bit too early. I expect he'll turn into a pretty good player for the Bruins but I'm not sure that day is here yet. If he's ready for prime time, you are right and he will probably help that third line a great deal. If he isn't quite ready and could use more seasoning, though, salvation needs to come from somewhere else.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

In either direction, which is why the Carlo talk has gone completely off the rails.

I am all for pumping brakes on early evaluatons - good or bad. Been burned too many times with small sample sizes.

But I knew Bergeron was legit immediatey. You could just tell.
You could see Pastrnak was a player even when he was just a spindly teenager Bambi-ing his way across the ice in his first ten NHL games.

And I'll be god damned if I can't see the same in Brandon Carlo exceeding both the curve and my expectations.

I'm not hesitating any more with Carlo. Cat is a player.

 

[ODAAT]

I am all for pumping brakes on early evaluatons - good or bad. Been burned too many times with small sample sizes.

But I knew Bergeron was legit immediatey. You could just tell.
You could see Pastrnak was a player even when he was just a spindly teenager Bambi-ing his way across the ice in his first ten NHL games.

And I'll be god damned if I can't see the same in Brandon Carlo exceeding both the curve and my expectations.

I'm not hesitating any more with Carlo. Cat is a player.

he sure is, he`ll have his mini slumps and learning lessons on the fly but he`s got "it", now it`s just about gaining experience game by game.

 

[kdog82]

Why Can't Don use Krug to get Trouba then replace Mr. 9-0-0-0..-5.
With a LHD which is supposedly easier to get.

I agree with this.

Krug + (not quite sure what that plus is) for Trouba

and than go after a LH dman. Not sure if Fowler is available but something has to give in Anaaheim as Lindholm will be ready soon.

Bruins would have to rid themselves of K. Miller or McQuaid which I do not think would be too difficult.

 

[Pia8988]

I agree with this.

Krug + (not quite sure what that plus is) for Trouba

and than go after a LH dman. Not sure if Fowler is available but something has to give in Anaaheim as Lindholm will be ready soon.

Bruins would have to rid themselves of K. Miller or McQuaid which I do not think would be too difficult.

Lindholm is already signed and they're under the cap

 

[ODAAT]

Lindholm is already signed and they're under the cap

unfortunately, when it comes to these awards now, specifically the Norris, too often the offense is the main attraction that a particular D-man puts up and the focus on that defenseman actually being able to play D is often overlooked

 

[kdog82]

Lindholm is already signed and they're under the cap

I'm pretty sure they aren't cap compliant when he comes back.

 

[Pia8988]

I'm pretty sure they aren't cap compliant when he comes back.

And you would be incorrect as both Depres and Nate Thompson going onto LTIR made enough for Lindholm. He is technically already 'back' as he is signed and is counting against the cap. He just needs his work visa.

They will have issues if Depres gets over his post concussion issues, but at the moment it looks very bad for him.

 

[tburns21]

Why Can't Don use Krug to get Trouba then replace Mr. 9-0-0-0..-5.
With a LHD which is supposedly easier to get.

I guess that would work if you could get your hands on fowler. then you'd be able to run

fowler-trouba
chara-carlo
liles-k/c miller


but you need to dump morrow/mcquaid/hayes to make that a possibility. and spooner and krug are definitely in on those deals. not impossible but with krug just signing a nice deal I don't see DS moving him. I have my own reservations about krug being a top pairing guy in the future, so I wouldn't be heartbroken if he was traded, but maybe with the right partner he'd be fine (sort of like chara/carlo pairing)

 

[tburns21]

Lindholm is already signed and they're under the cap

they may be under the NHL cap but historically they have their own internal cap which I think they're over. maybe they spend a little more this and year and try and make a run but shedding fowlers 4M certainly helps their internal especially if you're only taking back 950K in spooner. there was talks of them moving silfverberg as well. I would put a sweet package together for him n fowler. if would include guys they didn't need to protect in expansion draft like morrow/hayes
with spooner and a pick or two.

they'd be able to run

linhom-vataanen
theordore-desperes
morrow-bieksa
stoner

that would give us

chara-carlo
krug-fowler
liles-kmiller

and in two years

fowler-carlo
krug-mcavoy
ogara-cmiller

+silvferberg on the 2nd or 3rd line

 

[Pia8988]

they may be under the NHL cap but historically they have their own internal cap which I think they're over. maybe they spend a little more this and year and try and make a run but shedding fowlers 4M certainly helps their internal especially if you're only taking back 950K in spooner. there was talks of them moving silfverberg as well. I would put a sweet package together for him n fowler. if would include guys they didn't need to protect in expansion draft like morrow/hayes
with spooner and a pick or two.

they'd be able to run

linhom-vataanen
theordore-desperes
morrow-bieksa
stoner

that would give us

chara-carlo
krug-fowler
liles-kmiller

and in two years

fowler-carlo
krug-mcavoy
ogara-cmiller

+silvferberg on the 2nd or 3rd line

Murray has said they're fine and ownership has given a huge gher budget. They also might be at the cap but aren't spending it. Toronto paid half of Berneirs salary this year. He also said he doesnt want to move Fowler. If he does get moved it'll probably be in the offseason

And of course they dont need to protect Hayes or Morrow. Neither are good pieces worth anything.

 

[tburns21]

Murray has said they're fine and ownership has given a huge gher budget. They also might be at the cap but aren't spending it. Toronto paid half of Berneirs salary this year. He also said he doesnt want to move Fowler. If he does get moved it'll probably be in the offseason

And of course they dont need to protect Hayes or Morrow. Neither are good pieces worth anything.

I only bring that up because there's going to be expansion protection issues for them. they have 4 already upfront they have to protect and 1 on the back end in bieksa. so you either do 4 n 4 and lose out on rakell or silfverberg for nothing or do 7/3 and expose fowler and lose him for nothing, or move those pieces in trades for serviceable parts you don't care about losing + picks

 

[Mpasta]

Vatrano & Backes getting healthy most likely fixes your 3rd line.

It would be incredibly stupid and reactionary to take this 10 game sample size and conclude that the defense is fine and the 3rd line is our biggest problem. During this stretch that might be the case, but make no mistake, the Bruins defense still needs a solid top 4 guy more than anything else.

Yea, lets wait until we can stop a high powered offense before we start giving them too much credit.

We'll see what happens tonight.

 

[Blowfish]

Beleskey?