Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part III
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BergyWho37
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Pardon ? I'd say he has this ( defensive and offensive ) has a nice chip on his shoulder that takes no prisoners, he sure isn't a coaster or afraid to take a hit to make a play.
But I guess 70 to 90 pts could only be game changers *cough* Looch
I can get behind a deal where the pick is at least top 10 protected, but I would switch out DeBrusk I like his game way too much and I would sub in Heinen, he has the Colorado connection from his college days, to me Heinen is a Loui Eriksson type nothing wrong with that, but I keep DeBrusk
What I would offer for Landeskog is less than most have offered here, I would rather have Duchene his speed and scoring is what we need. Zboril + Heinen+ top 10 protected pick + one of Morrow/K Miller / Grezlcyk. Then we get Nieto as well for Hayes and Acciari. I would even consider JFK instead of Heinen if they preferred him.
Our do not touch list: Unprotected pick, Gabrielle, Carlo, DeBrusk, Senyshen, McAvoy, Lindgren and of course young roster guys like Pasta.
It's taken a lot longer time of sucking than two years for them
Not since they decided to get rid of their older established players. Toronto has been going young since they traded Kessel Phaneuf and company... You really need to be honest with what's in your dressing room and need to ask can we win with these guys... The answer in Boston is No.. The time has come to unload the star players and get something good now.
I know the fans will be furious, but that should not be a reason for not doing what's best for the organization.. The issue is you have Jacob's who demands on making the playoffs and you then have the pressure of making moves that put your organization backwards rather than going for what you really want which is another Stanley Cup. The only reason why they would make this kind of trade is out of pressure, not because it is what's best for the organization.
BergyWho37
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Oh man Dom if that had of happened my buddy Timm would have ran from Kitchener to Owen Sound and back again just screaming
Lucic stopped being a game changer at 26, I guess Landeskog has 2 "game changing" years left then...
DKH
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My dog thanks you. She's not a fan of our discussions cutting into a walk
The 'other stuff' you mentioned beyond the goals (the life blood of the stat sheet scouts) is what I liked hearing
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The Leafs have been trying to go young for years. It's only finally they were able to hit on some higher draft picks instead of trading them away they finally got better. Look at their rosters since Kessel ( 21 ) and Phaneuf ( 24 ) first started with the Leafs. Lots of youth and mid 20's guys. They had the 3rd youngest team in the NHL by 2012. How many playoff appearances did that win them?
It takes more than a youth movement to win in the NHL; it takes a mix of good young players with a strong core of vets. Look at this chart for an example of how teams are allocating vets with youth:
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php
mich25
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It seems like we are always beating the same drum over and over again "we need a goal scorer" or he's the perfect Bruin and fit. Sometimes a team gets stuck by going after players they think fit the mold or "identity" of a team they have formed, and sometimes you also just need something completely different - think Marc Savard when he was acquired, not someone when acquired you'd call the typical Bruin. I don't watch enough of the Avs to know if Landeskog is that goal scorer we seek, it's refreshing to know we also have Pasta who can be that goal scorer though too. I do know Landeskog has averaged 21 goals over 3 years and I can list several Bruins players or former who scored more than that over their first full 3 years in the NHL and didn't really cut it for the Bruins - as being that "goal scorer". Maybe Landeskog with Krejci and on a different team can change things though.
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DKH
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Balance is key to everything- exactly as you say
Pasta Carlo Vatrano C Miller McIntyre Blidh - 2015/2016
McAvoy JFK? DeBrusk? Grzelcyk? O'Gara? Heinen? 2017
You add to to 40 46 37 47 33 42 63
Makes so much sense
northeastern
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It's addicting... And there's always that chance of hope and greener grass.
Plus it's way better than worrying about work **** or something like that.
Rumpy
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Except you have to tank in the right year. The Edmonton Arizona Colorado Buffalo Columbus and almost all other basement dwellers for the last decade show that your magic bean theory doesn't equate to real life success unless you're lucky.
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Rumpy
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Also weird how hiring a highly regarded coach like Babcock (for those who want julien fired) has helped the Leafs transition from futility to real promise.
Rumpy
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I argued the same thing with another Bruins fan this morning. They are spinning tires waiting for these prospects as the core gets older. But instead of tearing it down the transition window is still there with this core and (hopefully) a new one on the way. The results look the same finishing 14th year after year. But the Lucic and Hamilton moves restocked the shelves on the fly and it takes time. Losing a couple bad contracts would be nice but the situation is a lot better today than it was in 2014 when nobody would have been talking like this.
Edit: yes they would have as some mod said the other day people complained the night they won the cup haha
Estlin
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I agree on both counts. The downward trajectory in production is troubling. If Landeskog became a Bruin, then surely his production would dip even further, as the production of other players often has under Julien. Boston should target Duchesne instead, but I understand that Landeskog's contract situation is better and that he would probably cost less in a trade.
Coach Parker
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I don't see the need to 'blow this up' at all. They aren't dealing with 35+ players here.
They are dealing with a core that needs an infusion of talent while solid prospects develop in the minors.
They have a glut of solid prospects developing at the same time. Sweeney has drafted and signed who he thought were solid players for the future. He moved out a top six forward and a top four RHD in the process and has missed the playoffs the last two years in a row as his prospects developed.
Replace the holes you created (replaced Eriksson with Backes but never replaced Lucic or Hamilton) and add to this core and see what sparks in the playoffs.
I've watched Tuukka Rask and Patrice Bergeron completely neutralize the Pittsburgh Penguins.
I've watched Nathan Horton (who can you say is that person now?) take down the Canadiens and Lightning in the most clutch moments possible.
If Sweeney wants to wait and see if Debrusk, Senyshyn, JFK or Gabrielle can become a Horton or Lucic that's fine. Just don't expect the fans to be interested in the concession or pro shop or games on television while you roll the dice on those.
This isn't the 80s or 90's where the Bruins are the only hockey product. Any fan can now be a fan of any team, watch every game and then attend one game a year in person to cheer them on.
I live in Vancouver where they are similar to the Bruins in trying to do both at the same time and the high schools are full of Penguins, Blackhawks, Bruins and other original six teams because if a team is boring to watch, you can click on another game or flip the channel up and actually watch a team entertain you.
I'm assuming the same can be seen in Boston and all the major hockey markets.
They are dealing with a core that needs an infusion of talent while solid prospects develop in the minors.
They have a glut of solid prospects developing at the same time. Sweeney has drafted and signed who he thought were solid players for the future. He moved out a top six forward and a top four RHD in the process and has missed the playoffs the last two years in a row as his prospects developed.
Replace the holes you created (replaced Eriksson with Backes but never replaced Lucic or Hamilton) and add to this core and see what sparks in the playoffs.
I've watched Tuukka Rask and Patrice Bergeron completely neutralize the Pittsburgh Penguins.
I've watched Nathan Horton (who can you say is that person now?) take down the Canadiens and Lightning in the most clutch moments possible.
If Sweeney wants to wait and see if Debrusk, Senyshyn, JFK or Gabrielle can become a Horton or Lucic that's fine. Just don't expect the fans to be interested in the concession or pro shop or games on television while you roll the dice on those.
This isn't the 80s or 90's where the Bruins are the only hockey product. Any fan can now be a fan of any team, watch every game and then attend one game a year in person to cheer them on.
I live in Vancouver where they are similar to the Bruins in trying to do both at the same time and the high schools are full of Penguins, Blackhawks, Bruins and other original six teams because if a team is boring to watch, you can click on another game or flip the channel up and actually watch a team entertain you.
I'm assuming the same can be seen in Boston and all the major hockey markets.
I am running out of patience with the guys inability to ad an NHL elite talent to the back end. I give him a C+ in his time as GM. However, That can be an A plus in one swoop. McAvoy looks a HR as does Carlo to a lesser degree. So now we need the big Add on D. Trouba McAVOY could be a sweet top pairing for ten years. The question is what does Winnipeg want. We need to be prepared to over pay for this player. Vatrano, mcAVOY and Carlo must stay.
Krug plus Heinen or DeBrusk and a number one to Winnipeg would be a great deal for us. We have Edmontons Two so losing our one wont be terrible. If i can think it up, lets hope Donny can also. I gotta believe he can.
K Miller, Louzan who had a solid showing at the WJC, DeBrusk, Zboril, or anyone else must be available.
Jdavidev
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Toronto is not pushing the playoffs this year without Matthews. Mariner and Nylander are nice prospects, but getting the top pick and generational talent is the difference maker to building a team that way. Edmonton isn't where they are without McDavid.
Most top 5 picks are like Landescog, Nugent Hopkins, Reinhardt... Quality talent, but with the pressure to perform right away and without the right mix of coaching and veteran leadership, don't seem to be difference makers and live up to their potential.
To the point at hand, the Bruins have a bunch a forward prospects close to being ready or at least given a shot in the next two years, more than they have roster spots for with the veteran long term contracts in place. They will have to move some before they lose their potential playing in the A for too long.
Debrusk will get some looks next season, if Bjork signs he will start with the BB, Gabrielle and Senyshyn will be with PB, maybe even JFK. Cehlarik will need to get a long look next season, Heinen too. Time to move some is coming real soon. But I question whether adding a long term winger, even a quality one in Landescog, is the right move, without dumping Beleskey, Spooner, Hayes from the equation.
SHAZZAMMMM, You dont sell 'rebuild" to a big time hockey market with a Stanley Cup winning core of world class players that are in their primes. Chicago and LA rebuilt on the Fly and won cups around certain guys. As has Pittsburgh now albeit six years apart. This is what we need to do. We are not that far away and have the resources to do it. This GM has rid the team of a couple high priced players and getting the cap under control. He has built the farm system back strong after those deals and has hit some home runs with McAVOY and CARLO and probably one or two others.
Having said that it is time to add elite NHL talent with all the chips you have accumulated. This team is a number 1-2 Dman and a 25-30 goal gritty winger who can skate. This is not a tear it down rebuild. This GM needs to fill two holes. It can be done.
Get this done Sweeney and those 12 dollar beers will taste a lot better going down.
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And you feel that Bergeron isn't a game changer? Do you have to push 40+ goals and 80+ points to be a game changer? There is a reason Landeskog was named captain of the Avalanches as a 19 year old.
DitClapper
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When a player of Landeskog's caliber comes on the market, you have to get it done. No excuses. Any prospect not named Carlo or McAvoy should be a go. 1st round picks should be available as well.
I'm fairly confident management is going to get this one done. Especially if jobs are on the line here.
I'm fairly confident management is going to get this one done. Especially if jobs are on the line here.
Taz#24
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Love to land TROUBA
But...how do we take on another RD? We would have a huge logjam and no doubt a similar situation to what the Jets experienced already, someone will be unhappy as all of CARLO, MCAVOY, TOUBA and C. MILLER are projected top four, or top two RD, not to mention K. MILLER and MCQUAID and there's only so much cap space.
I think we need to leverage the RD strength into a top six winger, preferably utilizing C. MILLER as the bait in a package with SPOONER, and a pick or prospect like DEBRUSK or HEINEN.
Love to have something like this by the start of 17-18...
MARCHAND-BERGERON-PASTRNAK
LANDESKOG-KREJCI-VATRANO or SENYSHYN
BELESKEY-BACKES-VATRANO or SENYSHYN
MCLEOD/BLIDH-CZARNIK-NASH
CHARA-CARLO
KRUG-MCQAUID
ALZNER-MCAVOY
K. MILLER
RASK
MCINTYRE
But...how do we take on another RD? We would have a huge logjam and no doubt a similar situation to what the Jets experienced already, someone will be unhappy as all of CARLO, MCAVOY, TOUBA and C. MILLER are projected top four, or top two RD, not to mention K. MILLER and MCQUAID and there's only so much cap space.
I think we need to leverage the RD strength into a top six winger, preferably utilizing C. MILLER as the bait in a package with SPOONER, and a pick or prospect like DEBRUSK or HEINEN.
Love to have something like this by the start of 17-18...
MARCHAND-BERGERON-PASTRNAK
LANDESKOG-KREJCI-VATRANO or SENYSHYN
BELESKEY-BACKES-VATRANO or SENYSHYN
MCLEOD/BLIDH-CZARNIK-NASH
CHARA-CARLO
KRUG-MCQAUID
ALZNER-MCAVOY
K. MILLER
RASK
MCINTYRE
The tone in a lot of your posts indicate something tangible is making the rounds on this Landeskog thing - can someone catch me up? Where is the reputable source indicating this is a potential, even remotely?
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