Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part II

[remer]

Team doesn't win the cup without Peverley. That was a great trade for both teams.

I beg to differ.

 

[DKH]

Well the Bruins do not have a very good track record for making good trades.

Historical Mistakes:

A) Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Wayne Primeau and Brad Stuart

B) Tyler Seguin, Rich Peverley and Ryan Button for Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith and Matt Fraser

Other Mistakes

A) UFA's gone for nothing or next to nothing: Lou Eriksson, Jerome Iginla, Carl Soderberg

B) Riley Smith/ Marc Savard for Jimmy Hayes

C) Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart for Rich Peverley and Boris Valabik

D) Brett Connolly for two 2nd round picks

E) Johnny Boychuk for two 2nd round picks

F) Lee Stempniak for a 2nd and 4th rd pick

and we could go on.

So giving up Spooner when he is struggling because the coach will not put him in a position to succeed, will likely be another big mistake.

Al Secord for Mike O'Connell

Brad McCrimmon for Pete Petters

Geoff Courtnal & Bill Ranford for Andy Moog

And the killers in the early 70's

Reggie Leach Bob Stewart & Chris Odliefson for Carol vandais

Rick MacLeish for Mike Walton

 

[kdog82]

I beg to differ.

Of course you do.

When Horton went down, Peverley stepped up in a huge way. Go back and watch the DVD's

 

[EverettMike]

snl live had a character Debbie downer... I think I come to understand the board more as I study the character. and again I wonder why people invest so much time and energy and passion into something that brings them nothing but misery.

do I see perfection in my team? no

do I try to focus on the areas of the team that bring me happiness... I guess that's the type of fool I am. but luckily for a loser like me that has so much time to spend on the team I find many many many many things to be happy about.

I wonder if you'll get a chance to write this post 500 more times and get to an even thousand. I'm rooting for you!

 

[BruinDust]

ive seen your history of posting recently... and can understand your bias. doesn't make you right but I see how you think

and nothing wrong with wanting to cheer your team... nothing wrong with being high on the players on your team

trust me when I make my 100s and 100s of proposals... other fans rip me a new one can call me a huge bruin homer too. no worries about me being a grass is greener on the other side of the fence

on the other hand I don't get surprised by trades either... when a real trade happens I go yes I saw that... I understood that value.

I call it... being in touch with reality... I call it being realistic.

sorry, but peoples value goes up and down... the op we are debating was WAYYYYYY off base... and trying to defend it definitely displays a bias

I don't think he is.

The SJ deal, yeah I think the value isn't there. So we agree on that one. But I already said that.

The Carolina deal, might need an add on the Boston end, but not a massive one. If we went on another teams board and proposed a journeyman UFA winger + B-level prospect + 2nd rd for a 24 year old former 50 pt forward, we'd be laughed at.

The NYI deal is straight up fair value for both teams. You go an compare the careers of Strome and Spooner (and the issues both clubs have had with each player, because they are similar), and then compare the starts of Debrusk and Del Colle (both 2014 1st rd.) in the AHL, and it's a fair trade in terms of value. I don't see either team doing it because it makes little sense, it really doesn't change the fortunes of either club now or moving forward. The only thing that really skews the bias of the deals is uninformed posters look at the draft position of Strome and Del Colle and assume increased value, but based on their actual performance, it's more than fair. Far too many posters (and I'm not point fingers at you to be honest) around here get so wrapped up in "where" a guy was selected and not "what" he actually is here today and how he has developed.

Then again, there are posters around here who still don't believe Pastrnak is an elite talent because he was chosen 25th and not 5th overall, as if it matters.

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

Small Sample Size. Spooner is 24 years old and has 24 goals in his NHL Career! He's not some offensive juggernaut.

if you are valuing players based on goals scored you have an excellent point sir

on the other hand if you are evaluating players based on their value as a hockey player I have no idea why you made this comparison

That's why.

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

snl live had a character Debbie downer... I think I come to understand the board more as I study the character. and again I wonder why people invest so much time and energy and passion into something that brings them nothing but misery.

do I see perfection in my team? no

do I try to focus on the areas of the team that bring me happiness... I guess that's the type of fool I am. but luckily for a loser like me that has so much time to spend on the team I find many many many many things to be happy about.

Maybe it's the fact that they do spend so much time invested and actually hold players/coaches/management accountable when the results stink?

I mean there were people here who brought up winning the Presidents Trophy as consolation after getting bounced by the Habs. Or brought up the "highest point total ever by a non-play-off team"

That **** don't fly with some fans and it doesn't make them Debbie Downers.

There are some things to like, and plenty to find fault with the past few seasons.

 

[DKH]

Maybe it's the fact that they do spend so much time invested and actually hold players/coaches/management accountable when the results stink?

I mean there were people here who brought up winning the Presidents Trophy as consolation after getting bounced by the Habs. Or brought up the "highest point total ever by a non-play-off team"

That **** don't fly with some fans and it doesn't make them Debbie Downers.

There are some things to like, and plenty to find fault with the past few seasons.

So if no Stanley Cup they and the other 28 teams should do what ? What are we supposed to say or wait for your blessings on how to act

What % is some fans?

Is it Gospel or an opinion?

 

[wintersej]

That's just not true. Spooner did have 49 points, but 17 of them were on the PP. So he had 32 points (7 Goals, 25A) even strength. Let's not act like he was lighting it up from the 3rd line with crappy line mates.

Don't get me wrong, he had a good season, but it needs to be put into perspective.

You want perspective? He had as many even strength points as Claude Giroux and Stamkos. He had more than Toews, Eichel, Stastny, MacKinnon, Getzlaf, Voracek, Parise...

His points on the power play ratio was totally normal.

 

[DKH]

Krejci in his first 148 games had 28 goals. Spooner has 24 in 160.

That's it? Only measurable?

 

[DKH]

Team doesn't win the cup without Peverley. That was a great trade for both teams.

I'm with you 100%. I would give Chiarelli a win for that

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

So if no Stanley Cup they and the other 28 teams should do what ? What are we supposed to say or wait for your blessings on how to act

What % is some fans?

Is it Gospel or an opinion?

Choke in 2014, choke in 2015, choke in 2016. I can understand some people being agitated by that. Trading NHL players for futures, then signing marginal guys like Kevan Miller, McQuaid, Beleskey and Hayes. I can see the issue some have there too.

percent? I don't know, maybe 20%? Then there are 20% of the do no right crowd, and the rest in the middle.

There is A LOT to look forward to with this team, IF these young kids pan out. Doesn't mean everyone has to be ok with the current state, nor does everyone need to think it's all going to work out fine.

I think the team will be good, and a lot of these guys will pan out and management will make the right signings and moves.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Lots of smoke about Spooner getting dealt here in Ottawa, even Pierre McGuire mentioned it on local talk radio. It's obvious that he's not Julien's kind of player but the B's had better be very careful with this because CJ is gone if the B's miss the playoffs again this year and the next coach might have loved to have a player of Spooner's skillset. Getting tired of seeing our skilled players getting shipped out of town.

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

That's it? Only measurable?

Was commenting on this.

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Aho View Post

Small Sample Size. Spooner is 24 years old and has 24 goals in his NHL Career! He's not some offensive juggernaut

 

[DKH]

Choke in 2014, choke in 2015, choke in 2016. I can understand some people being agitated by that. Trading NHL players for futures, then signing marginal guys like Kevan Miller, McQuaid, Beleskey and Hayes. I can see the issue some have there too.

percent? I don't know, maybe 20%? Then there are 20% of the do no right crowd, and the rest in the middle.

There is A LOT to look forward to with this team, IF these young kids pan out. Doesn't mean everyone has to be ok with the current state, nor does everyone need to think it's all going to work out fine.

I think the team will be good, and a lot of these guys will pan out and management will make the right signings and moves.

So it's 20/60/20?

Didn't realize we had 60% balanced fans - but glad if true

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

Lots of smoke about Spooner getting dealt here in Ottawa, even Pierre McGuire mentioned it on local talk radio. It's obvious that he's not Julien's kind of player but the B's had better be very careful with this because CJ is gone if the B's miss the playoffs again this year and the next coach might have loved to have a player of Spooner's skillset. Getting tired of seeing our skilled players getting shipped out of town.

They play their best hockey at the wrong one hundred food end.

 

[Over the volcano]

Was commenting on this.

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Aho View Post

Small Sample Size. Spooner is 24 years old and has 24 goals in his NHL Career! He's not some offensive juggernaut

Krejci had a 73 point season by that point and was a solid in the playoffs as well. But hey, whatever flats your boat.

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

So it's 20/60/20?

Didn't realize we had 60% rational fans - but glad if true

I think most just have a difference of opinion on certain players or whatnot but the majority seem like you can hold a rational conversation with. You will always have extremes.

Some fans just applaud everything and some hate everything. For some reason they can't treat each situation separately.

 

[Blowfish]

Lots of smoke about Spooner getting dealt here in Ottawa, even Pierre McGuire mentioned it on local talk radio. It's obvious that he's not Julien's kind of player but the B's had better be very careful with this because CJ is gone if the B's miss the playoffs again this year and the next coach might have loved to have a player of Spooner's skillset. Getting tired of seeing our skilled players getting shipped out of town.

This!

 

[DKH]

Was commenting on this.

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Aho View Post

Small Sample Size. Spooner is 24 years old and has 24 goals in his NHL Career! He's not some offensive juggernaut

I like Ryan but after watching Claude 10 years I don't see him his guy

I believe if Marchand in 2010 was a center he would not have made it over Kelly or Campbell with Claude

If Pastrnak was a natural center he would be moved to wing by Claude

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

I like Ryan but after watching Claude 10 years I don't see him his guy

I believe if Marchand in 2010 was a center he would not have made it over Kelly or Campbell with Claude

If Pastrnak was a natural center he would be moved to wing by Claude

I agree wholeheartedly. The original poster was trying to dismiss Ryan by his goal totals when he's not that type of player. The Bruins have some young guys that can take his place, I just hope they don't deal him for a current big, slow, "Bruins type" winger.

 

[BigBear83]

So, what are we thinking of spooner for virtanen? that makes the most sense to me..we have some good rw options in the pipeline . but none of the power forward mold that virtanen is. he obviously has no confidence left after the way vancouver handled him. bring him in , let him learn the system in providence for a couple weeks then let him come up and learn from backes.. i mean, is that not some of the reason we gave backes the length of term, so that he could mentor all these young studs coming up. i really enjoy watching spooner, he's one of those guys that i root for as im watching the game. but you can just see it in his eyes that he's lost at this point .. 8:08 ice time last game!!..instead of rooting for him, im actually rooting for him to go to a different team and succeed

 

[BruinDust]

I agree wholeheartedly. The original poster was trying to dismiss Ryan by his goal totals when he's not that type of player. The Bruins have some young guys that can take his place, I just hope they don't deal him for a current big, slow, "Bruins type" winger.

You can almost be assured that if Spooner is dealt for a winger, that winger will be either

A) a less skilled, more Bruins-like player

B) significantly older

C) a combination of A and B

You can pretty much bank on it.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Dare we dream that they might think McQuaid a good option for them in this case?

MacQuade unfortunately has become a whipping post for most this season. Perhaps the victim of playing in a role that takes him out of what many see him as him being truly best suited for, a role as the #6 or 7 D on this roster. If they were ever to enter into discussion with the Avs's for a D (and it's a big If) he doesn't have to be the automatic default player to offer. There are others for consideration not named Chara, Carlo or Krug in my opinion. Given the recent speculation of a forward being available, talks with another team always have the potential to lead to a bigger trade than a one for one deal. Not opposed to McQuade being involved but he's not the only option. As another posted suggested cap issues are always an obstacle that have to be addressed in any effort to make it happen. The upcoming expansion draft is just another layer for consideration this year.

 

[DKH]

I agree wholeheartedly. The original poster was trying to dismiss Ryan by his goal totals when he's not that type of player. The Bruins have some young guys that can take his place, I just hope they don't deal him for a current big, slow, "Bruins type" winger.

If they deal Ryan I hope they either package him with a D or get draft picks

Speed is the way to go and of their top 4 wingers Pasta & Marchand are fast m

Bergeron Krejci & Backes aren't although Bergeron is pretty good with a good foot

If it's Senyshyn Bjork Vatrano they get a guy with good wheels

JFK is pretty good and Frederic actually is fast

Hopefully Senyshyn and Pasta are in top 6-9 on right side and they got speed

No question though game is faster than ever