Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part II

[Absurdity]

Ok. So he's not a goal scorer. He relies on others to get his points, so please tell me why he had a lot of trade value?

Or he makes those around him better? Do assists not matter? He had 49pts centering Beleskey and Hayes last season.

I never stated he has a lot of trade value. He's not worth a blue chip prospect and a 1st. The rumor is that the Bruins want to package him for a top 6 winger.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Or he makes those around him better? Do assists not matter? He had 49pts centering Beleskey and Hayes last season.

I never stated he has a lot of trade value. He's not worth a blue chip prospect and a 1st. The rumor is that the Bruins want to package him for a top 6 winger.

That's just not true. Spooner did have 49 points, but 17 of them were on the PP. So he had 32 points (7 Goals, 25A) even strength. Let's not act like he was lighting it up from the 3rd line with crappy line mates.

Don't get me wrong, he had a good season, but it needs to be put into perspective.

 

[Absurdity]

That's just not true. Spooner did have 49 points, but 17 of them were on the PP. So he had 32 points (7 Goals, 25A) even strength. Let's not act like he was lighting it up from the 3rd line with crappy line mates.

I'm not making it sound like he's lighting it up. He had 49pts last season. He's good on the PP, what's wrong with that? 30 out of Backstrom's 70pts last season were on the power play. Does that mean Backstrom is a 40pt player?

Play a talented player with other talented players, and they'll produce more. He has proven that when he played with Lucic and Pastrnak. That doesn't make Spooner perfect because he's far from it, nor does it mean Spooner's value is high because of it, because it isn't. Hence why Sweeney wants to package Spooner for a top 6 forward.

 

[DitClapper]

I think Colin's on his way out as well.

 

[BruinDust]

I think Colin's on his way out as well.

Given that Liles is out who know how long, the recent injury history of Chara, Kevan, and McQuaid, doubtful the Bruins are in any rush to move Colin or Morrow at this juncture.

Anyone is trade-able, but unless a D is coming back, Bruins need all their D at this point in time.

 

[EverettMike]

I'm glad we're selling an asset at his lowest value. It feels right.

 

[PB37]

That's just not true. Spooner did have 49 points, but 17 of them were on the PP. So he had 32 points (7 Goals, 25A) even strength. Let's not act like he was lighting it up from the 3rd line with crappy line mates.

Don't get me wrong, he had a good season, but it needs to be put into perspective.

32 ES points puts him in the same company as Sam Reinhart, Rikard Rakell, Mikeal Backlund, Boone Jenner, and Charlie Coyle. While it's not elite, it's proportionate to his ice-time, shift usage, linemates, age, and skills compared to some of his contemporaries.

Also: it's a growing trend on here to discredit powerplay production. I say - why? You still have to be skilled to produce on the powerplay and if you look at some of the elite stars in the league, a good chunk of their production comes on the PP. Being good on the powerplay is still a valued commodity.

 

[Roboturner913]

Probably not, but what is Stalberg's long-term future in Carolina? He'd probably be moved at the deadline as a rental if Carolina are out of it.

If a team is giving up value for Spooner, it's because they are looking at him as a potential long-term asset.

Carolina is only 4 points out of a wildcard spot right now. Any trades we're talking about doing right now would be in the interest of making the team better.

So if we're talking about this trade happening NOW, I don't see how swapping Stalberg for Spooner helps them stay on track, right NOW. At the deadline if they're out of it by then, sure, but that's a different scenario.

 

[Roboturner913]

I just realized I wandered unknowingly into a Bruins board thread, so apologies for the intrusion.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Ah more "grass is greener" garbage from Bruins fans. What a surprise.

Why do Bruins fans love other teams young players and prospects so much, and think nothing of our own. Then again, most here believe that unless a guy was a Top 10 pick, he's pretty much got zero value.

Honest question, do you really think Ryan Strome's trade value is a great deal higher than Spooner's? Because I could make a solid argument it is not. But he was a high pick a number of years ago and that is enough for most around here to think he's still projected to be a star.

I didn't see a single blue-chip asset coming back Boston's way in either the Carolina or NYI deals.

ive seen your history of posting recently... and can understand your bias. doesn't make you right but I see how you think

and nothing wrong with wanting to cheer your team... nothing wrong with being high on the players on your team

trust me when I make my 100s and 100s of proposals... other fans rip me a new one can call me a huge bruin homer too. no worries about me being a grass is greener on the other side of the fence

on the other hand I don't get surprised by trades either... when a real trade happens I go yes I saw that... I understood that value.

I call it... being in touch with reality... I call it being realistic.

sorry, but peoples value goes up and down... the op we are debating was WAYYYYYY off base... and trying to defend it definitely displays a bias

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Yes....sure.......wow....let's trade sponner when his value is at his lowest !!!
Let's confirm nash as our wonderful 3rd center whooooooo
This team can't score 2 goals by games and will get another 5 goals scorers for one of our soooo few offensive skill
But to be honest, it is next in line bruins trades....
Can't wait to see sponner on the long long list of players who are so much better in another "system"
God Tuukkkkkkkka ...help us

players can definitely get lower value. ive been saying the ryan spooner story is reminding me a lot of sam gagner in Edmonton. similar skill... similar reputation... similar results.

Edmonton didn't trade gagner when they should have... kept him as his value went down and down... paid him big money cause he was a point producer in his primeicetime he enjoyed...

gagner actually produced 40 points 5 seasons in a row. but when it came time to trade him he was a cap dump

scoring 40 points playing on a 3rd line when you suck at defense doesn't help your value go up

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

spooner for marleau isn't something I thought about before... but it makes crazy good sense. marleau is the ufa contract we want. the question is does he still have life?

he can play center in a pinch... but has adapted very well to the wing... is a pp proven performer.

a top line of backes/krecji/marleau has all sorts of pedigree to it... size... theres potential here

leaves pastrnak/Bergeron/marchand intact. now we have the 2 scoring lines we need

lets cizarek and vatrano try to find some chemistry together on the third line

belesky drops to 4th line... hes a hell of a good 4th line player

Marleau is 37.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I'm glad we're selling an asset at his lowest value. It feels right.

I expect nothing else from this team.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Marleau is 37.

I'm going to guess that has something to do with his being a pending ufa... and a bit with why hes potentially available in a trade?

he scored 25 goals last year... is it possible hes completely lost his ability to play hockey in a single season? yes...

is it possible hes a bit like mark recchi was when we picked him up? recchi was 40 when we picked him up right?

as I said in my first post... I hadn't considered marleau before but now that his name has been brought up, he would be the type of guy we might want to trade spooner for.

deal someone that is either unwilling or potentially unable to fit in where we need him... for someone that theoletically has a lot to play for. marleau is near retirement without a cup. if we are trying to win this year hes the type of guy that might find a second gear and a revival with a chance on a new team to finally have some success

 

[Iceage]

I expect nothing else from this team.

You would say the same thing if the Bruins traded Spooner after a 80 pts season.

I actually think this might be the right time to trade him. He still has fair value. His value is not at its peak but it's not at its lowest. This is where you have to make a decision. Either you stick with him or you trade him then live with the decision.

So, what would I do? Don't know, too many unknown factors for me or anybody (besides Sweeney/Neely ...) to make an inform decision.

 

[Blowfish]

I'm glad we're selling an asset at his lowest value. It feels right.

Best time sell Spoon playing on 4th line.

 

[Blowfish]

I think Colin's on his way out as well.

I have a feeling it's McQuaid Hayes Spooner + ....reason for out of nowhere callup Cross was called up?

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

Ok. So he's not a goal scorer. He relies on others to get his points, so please tell me why he had a lot of trade value?

Krejci in his first 148 games had 28 goals. Spooner has 24 in 160.

 

[DKH]

I expect nothing else from this team.

Why ?

So every move they make is wrong

Not sure what you mean

how are they not 0-25

 

[Blowfish]

Why ?

The only two questionable recent youth moves would be Seguin and Smith. Hamilton and Kessel were more than ok for this bruin fan.

My biggest concern losing Spooner is his much needed speed. I still see very high potential with Spoons more than a R Smith.

All depends on the return.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Krejci in his first 148 games had 28 goals. Spooner has 24 in 160.

if you are valuing players based on goals scored you have an excellent point sir

on the other hand if you are evaluating players based on their value as a hockey player I have no idea why you made this comparison

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Why ?

So every move they make is wrong

Not sure what you mean

how are they not 0-25

snl live had a character Debbie downer... I think I come to understand the board more as I study the character. and again I wonder why people invest so much time and energy and passion into something that brings them nothing but misery.

do I see perfection in my team? no

do I try to focus on the areas of the team that bring me happiness... I guess that's the type of fool I am. but luckily for a loser like me that has so much time to spend on the team I find many many many many things to be happy about.

 

[remer]

Why ?

So every move they make is wrong

Not sure what you mean

how are they not 0-25

Well the Bruins do not have a very good track record for making good trades.

Historical Mistakes:

A) Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Wayne Primeau and Brad Stuart

B) Tyler Seguin, Rich Peverley and Ryan Button for Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith and Matt Fraser

Other Mistakes

A) UFA's gone for nothing or next to nothing: Lou Eriksson, Jerome Iginla, Carl Soderberg

B) Riley Smith/ Marc Savard for Jimmy Hayes

C) Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart for Rich Peverley and Boris Valabik

D) Brett Connolly for two 2nd round picks

E) Johnny Boychuk for two 2nd round picks

F) Lee Stempniak for a 2nd and 4th rd pick

and we could go on.

So giving up Spooner when he is struggling because the coach will not put him in a position to succeed, will likely be another big mistake.

 

[Blowfish]

Lets just hope the bruins set themselves up for the now, future, and riding of bad contract McQuaid Beleskey and Hayes.

What are the chances a goaltender is included in the package?

 

[kdog82]

Well the Bruins do not have a very good track record for making good trades.

Historical Mistakes:

A) Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Wayne Primeau and Brad Stuart

B) Tyler Seguin, Rich Peverley and Ryan Button for Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith and Matt Fraser

Other Mistakes

A) UFA's gone for nothing or next to nothing: Lou Eriksson, Jerome Iginla, Carl Soderberg

B) Riley Smith/ Marc Savard for Jimmy Hayes

C) Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart for Rich Peverley and Boris Valabik

D) Brett Connolly for two 2nd round picks

E) Johnny Boychuk for two 2nd round picks

F) Lee Stempniak for a 2nd and 4th rd pick

and we could go on.

So giving up Spooner when he is struggling because the coach will not put him in a position to succeed, will likely be another big mistake.

Team doesn't win the cup without Peverley. That was a great trade for both teams.