I agree but he's been very fortunate with his top 2 centers,and of course Kelly and Campbell,Savard and Peverley,even Soderberg played the 2 way game. But,Spooner was more of a positive than a negative last year and I think Claude is failing in his handling of this kid. Not many teams could roll out a third center with 50-60 point capabilities,but there is just no room for a center in Claude's mind who isn't equally offense and defense. It's too bad.
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I agree but he's been very fortunate with his top 2 centers,and of course Kelly and Campbell,Savard and Peverley,even Soderberg played the 2 way game. But,Spooner was more of a positive than a negative last year and I think Claude is failing in his handling of this kid. Not many teams could roll out a third center with 50-60 point capabilities,but there is just no room for a center in Claude's mind who isn't equally offense and defense. It's too bad.
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What would you rather have:
Alzner at 6 mil for 5 yrs (or whatever contract ppl are suggesting)
or
McQauid and Miller totalling 5.25 mil for 3-4 yrs
Quality or quantity?
A 2017-18 Lineup of
(Chara cap hit down to 4mil)
Chara-Carlo
Alzner-Krug
XX-McAvoy
2018-19
(Chara Cap hit gone)
Alzner-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Zboril-XX
Gets me excited. Won't happen though. There are obviously some large obstacles in order to dump two contracts and sign a UFA.
As the days go by that Beleskey contract looks like garbage
Alzner at 6 mil for 5 yrs (or whatever contract ppl are suggesting)
or
McQauid and Miller totalling 5.25 mil for 3-4 yrs
Quality or quantity?
A 2017-18 Lineup of
(Chara cap hit down to 4mil)
Chara-Carlo
Alzner-Krug
XX-McAvoy
2018-19
(Chara Cap hit gone)
Alzner-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Zboril-XX
Gets me excited. Won't happen though. There are obviously some large obstacles in order to dump two contracts and sign a UFA.
As the days go by that Beleskey contract looks like garbage
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When you put it that way its an easy YES. We see Krug getting back his form, last 3 games 5 pts and plus 4. He needs a steady partner to get him to another level or at least maintain it. Team needs a real #3. Carlo has stopped the need for a shutdown #2 guy, we found it. Eventually in all the yoing guys or trade we will need a #1 or if we end up with two good #2s then its alright. I think O'Gara played fine, Carlo lite as I see it. I would not mind seeing him or Morrow playing with Krug in the meantime.
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This isn't a fair comparison at all.
After this season.
McQuaid - 2 years
Kevan - 3 years
vs.
Alzner at more likely 7 years
Alzner is a quality player, nice defender, Top 4 defensive D-man, but he's not exactly a game changer either.
Is the gap between Alzner and Kevan Miller so great that it's worth committing an extra 4 years and probably double the AAV to bring in Alzner?
Let some other team overpay for this guy because he's a big fish in a small pond.
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I'm on the fence with Spooner. He's better at center than he is at wing. And as someone previously mentioned he looked really good with Lucic and Pastrnak 2 years back. It wouldn't surprise me to see him moved in a deal and flourish in a more offensive system and/or with legitimate top-6 line mates.
Oates2Neely
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Agreed. Alzner for 3yrs at 5m, yes. Alzner at 7yrs 6.5m, no chance. He's ok, not great.
BruinsPortugal
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We have too many good defensive prospects to overpay a guy like Alzner like that. Let some other desperate team do that.
don
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I agree, but, on the Spooner front, how about Spooner for Duclair? Both seem like they could use a change,
wintersej
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I just think spending SO MANY top picks on d-men only to turn around and sign a solid but unspectacular guy like Alzner for big $$$ to fill up a spot is insane.
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Spoons could be good for us if he were utilized properly. He does best at center and yet he is being forced to play wing in Clode's stupid lineup. Right now this team is HURTING for offense and putting spoons (and backes for that matter) in a position to help would be the smart way to go. But nope...CJ is up to his crap tricks and is banking on keeping opposing teams to less thaN 2 goals per game. He will say that he wants more e offense, but his lineup and strategy decisions say otherwise. He has been a great coach, but he is stuck in an old way of thinking and as such I fear that this team may never catch up to the elites of the league so long as he is in charge. /rant.
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it would be alter and a roster filler at around 7 mill. Clearly alzer is better than Miller or macquaid but it's a 2 for 2
6 mill is a non starter imho for alzer. I'd go long term for him 7 years x 5 mill... but not 5 x 6. Can't pay a defense only dman that type of coin.
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I'd like to see Spooner moved to a team that better fits his playstyle, he just doesn't fit in Claude's game.
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So you'd give him and extra 2 years just to keep his AAV down by all of a million bucks?
Good lord that's bad.
Hopefully the Bruins are smart enough to stay away from either of the above deals.
I suggested earlier in this thread that a Spooner/Duclair swap would make sense. A poster replied that Spoons would immediately slot into Phoenix' #2 center position.
Duclair, like Spooner, is having a terrible start to the season. But he was a 44 pt. scorer last year and has good speed from the wing.
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You mean he's just not that good?
His "style" is basically that of a power play specialist. He's Mike Ribeiro, or some percentage thereof. I agree he doesn't fit here, but mostly because he's just not very good. I'd love to see them try to trade him as his game has enough "sizzle" to maybe distract another GM from the fact there's not much steak.
Bmessy
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Doesn't everyone complain about our young Dmen struggling because they don't have a good partner?
Krug struggles because he's playing with Kevan Miller or McQuaid. He'd be better if he had a better partner.
Morrow and C Miller struggle cause they are stuck with Kevan Miller. They'd be better if they had someone to play with.
I would agree that Alzner at 6mil for 7 years is plenty reason to say no thanks. I was comparing to guys like Demers who signed for 5 years 22.5 mil. More toward that realm. If you can get a solid top 4 player for that type of price, I would totally do it.
Look to the future and see who our D is. We have alot of prospects for sure. But what stabilizing veteran NHL defenders do we have? None. The current vets can't make their partners lives easier now and it's not going to get better. Signing another Dman helps the current team as well as stabilize your future defense by providing a better environment for all of our prospects to develop in.
There's no better way to shred the confidence of your top flight D prospects by throwing them into the fire with a poor defense or poor partner. Not everyone is Carlo and can handle a top pairing position at 19 (and don't bank his development to be linear). Is Carlo not benefiting from a great partner? My idea is the same thing. Our D needs some help in 2 years. Hamilton benefited mightily from playing on a team with a great defense, even though his defensive game didn't reach the desired ceiling.
And yes the difference between Alnzer and Kevan Miller or McQuaid is pretty large and worth addressing.
Miller is the perfect bottom pair defensive Dman. Alzner can be a top pairing shut down Dman. Exactly what our future team needs when Chara leaves and our prospects are coming in.
Krug struggles because he's playing with Kevan Miller or McQuaid. He'd be better if he had a better partner.
Morrow and C Miller struggle cause they are stuck with Kevan Miller. They'd be better if they had someone to play with.
I would agree that Alzner at 6mil for 7 years is plenty reason to say no thanks. I was comparing to guys like Demers who signed for 5 years 22.5 mil. More toward that realm. If you can get a solid top 4 player for that type of price, I would totally do it.
Look to the future and see who our D is. We have alot of prospects for sure. But what stabilizing veteran NHL defenders do we have? None. The current vets can't make their partners lives easier now and it's not going to get better. Signing another Dman helps the current team as well as stabilize your future defense by providing a better environment for all of our prospects to develop in.
There's no better way to shred the confidence of your top flight D prospects by throwing them into the fire with a poor defense or poor partner. Not everyone is Carlo and can handle a top pairing position at 19 (and don't bank his development to be linear). Is Carlo not benefiting from a great partner? My idea is the same thing. Our D needs some help in 2 years. Hamilton benefited mightily from playing on a team with a great defense, even though his defensive game didn't reach the desired ceiling.
And yes the difference between Alnzer and Kevan Miller or McQuaid is pretty large and worth addressing.
Miller is the perfect bottom pair defensive Dman. Alzner can be a top pairing shut down Dman. Exactly what our future team needs when Chara leaves and our prospects are coming in.
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wintersej
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I mean, he is a UFA rental and AZ needs forwards that can meet the minimum requirements to expose in expansion.
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When is Chara going again? He's already said he wants to keep playing past his current deal.
The last thing this franchise needs to be doing is investing big time cap or term in a player the caliber of Karl Alzner.
It certainly feels as though if Julien keeps mis-using Spooner he will ruin the young centers confidence in himself. Not only that but Claude is killing Spooners trade value by setting him up for failure to succeed in his system. The system is one that many players (yes including Jagr) have huge problems succeeding in.
When the Bruins played the Coyotes I noticed that Duclair was a player that constantly seemed to be around the puck and trying to score or make a play. He seems to be a "shooter" which is exactly what they need. On the other hand a center may be something that the Coyotes would love to have too. A win-win for everyone IMO.
Interesting, I wish that I knew more about him (Alzner). What would the B's have to give up to get him? If they were interested in acquiring him, does the NHL allow a sign and trade otherwise I doubt that this would go down. In reality though, I doubt that anything happens re Alzner, it just isn't in Donnie's DNA to make moves like this.
It's too bad they couldn't have just grabbed Demers last summer. He would've stabilized the d all around and given them a bridge to the other up and comers like McAvoy etc. Being pro-active is something that seems to be too risky for Sweeney's blood but sometimes that's what the situation calls for especially when they've been starving for quality D help for over 2 years.
Not that I don't agree with you but even if Chara does want to play past his contract time it doesn't force the B's to give him exactly what he wants. IF he forces their hand they will have to make a tough decision but as they say "this is a business."
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As soon as I could get something of value for the team I would pull the trigger on a Spooner trade.
He's fast but doesn't create anything 5 on 5 and even on the PP doesn't do much either. He's a C that Claude doesn't trust and Bruins are deep at C. Find a W or a D and ship him out.
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