Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part II

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

yeah let's revisit Zack Kassian while we're at it

I don't understand your obsession with going after players on the assumption that they'll suddenly turn into good players after we acquire them.

Speaking of that, Kassian has1 more point than Kane (in 11 more games).

Only argument with Kane, he's proven he can put up 30, and averages 15-20 goals (even with a 10 goal season being injured half of it).

If there ever was a time to buy low...

Definitely a risky move, especially considering his extracurricular attention he's received. But a team lauded for having such good leadership, should be the teams buying low and risking taking in someone like this and seeing if that can help turn him around; the Bruins needs scoring. Change of scenery with the right supporting cast?

There's definitely a lot of reasons not to pick him up; but we need skill, and the usually the only ones available are the ones with some sort of warts.

 

[BruinDust]

yeah let's revisit Zack Kassian while we're at it

I don't understand your obsession with going after players on the assumption that they'll suddenly turn into good players after we acquire them.

Well in hindsight the Kassian gamble has worked out pretty good for Edmonton.

I've already said my piece on Kane, but you have to wonder if it will take him being effectively down to his last chance like Kassian was to stay in the NHL for him to finally grow up and change his ways in the room and away from rink.

 

[Spanky185]

Well in that case Claude was right. Right from the start of his career, Spooner had some fans ripping the coach for not playing him more, thanks to showing flashes of offensive talent on a team in desperate need of it. It seemed like maybe the coach was 'yet again' screwing over some offense-first kid. You know, like the tired narrative says.

But in this case, Julien was right. Spooner isn't a well-rounded hockey player, not even close. And I think a case could be made he's a net neutral player, meaning he hurts you as much as he helps. And as an aside, Julien has played him more and more each passing year, despite the fact with each growing year his mediocrity becomes more and more clear. He's a case of a guy who has gotten too much rope.

Spooner, Looch, Pasta is the line that kept the team in the playoff race down the stretch in 14/15. Before they punt Spooner away I desperately want to see him back with Pasta. I doubt CJ will do it though. Shame really.

 

[wintersej]

Even if you move out a guy needing a raise like Spooner (who wasn't enough to get Chris Stewart out of Buffalo, so maybe not someone they value), paying Evander Kane next year puts you in a REAL tight spot.

 

[Estlin]

Well in that case Claude was right. Right from the start of his career, Spooner had some fans ripping the coach for not playing him more, thanks to showing flashes of offensive talent on a team in desperate need of it. It seemed like maybe the coach was 'yet again' screwing over some offense-first kid. You know, like the tired narrative says.

But in this case, Julien was right. Spooner isn't a well-rounded hockey player, not even close. And I think a case could be made he's a net neutral player, meaning he hurts you as much as he helps. And as an aside, Julien has played him more and more each passing year, despite the fact with each growing year his mediocrity becomes more and more clear. He's a case of a guy who has gotten too much rope.

I'm not so sure about that. Place Spooner in his natural center spot, and on the third line, and I think that he does well. He did last year. If he's not playing with a slug like Hayes, then even better.

I don't believe that it's a case of Julien being right; rather, it's a case of Spooner and Julien mixing like oil and water. I am fairly certain that Spooner would do quite well away from the Bruins coach.

 

[Ice Nine]

I agree on Alzner. He would certainly help improve the Bruins and would help at least partially fill the shut down side of Chara, just not worth that money unless it's a short deal. TBH, I'm wary of most deals for UFA defensemen. I'm sure the Caps would love to just give Orpik's money over to Alzner and call it a day.

The list for upcoming UFAs in their late 20's on defense:

Shattenkirk
Alzner
Kulikov
Stone
Franson
Smith
Del Zotto

Not a real inspiring list after Shattenkirk.

Agreed -- I'm also very skeptical of UFA deals for D oversll, and while Alzner is solid, not worth what he'll likely cost.

In the list I think Shattenkirk/Stone/Alzner are the most attractive, and like you say, could help us, but yeah -- I doubt they'll really be worth what you'd have to pay to land then, including Shattenkirk-- easily the best of that bunch-- who I think is going to get a big contract. With Carlo/McAvoy, I'm now (slightly) less worried about RHD. Perhaps we need to bite the bullet on a Stone? I don't know -- I still wish we could package Spooner for a younger D... seems unlikely now.

 

[Ice Nine]

I just can't see the Bruins adding a 6-8 million dollar guy for next year. Not with McAvoy coming in and potentially other young players breaking in.

Stone would be interesting in the 3-4 year 4 million per year range range, but I suspect, he'll get closer to 6 years and 5.5 million, and I cant do that. I definitely can't do Alzner at 6 million for 7 years.

Stone *would* be interesting at 3/4 for 4m/year, but again, yep -- he's getting a lot more.

Same with Alzner, but I'd run far, and fast, away from any deal that even begins in the ball park of 6m. No way, no how.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Man Miller and Morrow that puck FAST

 

[Alan Ryan]

I just can't see the Bruins adding a 6-8 million dollar guy for next year. Not with McAvoy coming in and potentially other young players breaking in.

Stone would be interesting in the 3-4 year 4 million per year range range, but I suspect, he'll get closer to 6 years and 5.5 million, and I cant do that. I definitely can't do Alzner at 6 million for 7 years.

I agree. Prediction for next year:

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Morrow - K. Miller
C. Miller

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Spooner, Looch, Pasta is the line that kept the team in the playoff race down the stretch in 14/15. Before they punt Spooner away I desperately want to see him back with Pasta. I doubt CJ will do it though. Shame really.

I agree, if Spooner had a bad year last year and did not help lead the team in 14-15 then he would have no resume of anything. He does have that and "he is no good in the defensive own" is not true. Hayes and Backes are no better. Put Spooner and Pasta together aand they will click again with speed both mentally and physically. You see Spooner make a pass to Hayes or Beleskey and nothing happens, then we blame Spooner lol. Under another coach in an open system with likewise players he willbe good, 2nd line good.

 

[Alan Ryan]

With Acciari and Vatrano back. Assuming Vatrano is the same kid we saw last time.

Marchand - Bergy - Pasta
Vatrano - Krejci - Backes
Beleskey - Czarnik - Nash
Schaller - Moore - Acciari

Hayes

Chara - Carlo
Krug - Miller
Liles/Morrow/Miller - McQuaid

Rask
Who cares.

Have full faith that with everyone healthy and and in sync we are a playoff team that no one will want to play. Just need to get in the show first.

Pretty good line-up. I would replace Spooner (traded) with Czarnik on the third line if the Bruins are determined to keep Backes at RW.

 

[DKH]

Well in that case Claude was right. Right from the start of his career, Spooner had some fans ripping the coach for not playing him more, thanks to showing flashes of offensive talent on a team in desperate need of it. It seemed like maybe the coach was 'yet again' screwing over some offense-first kid. You know, like the tired narrative says.

But in this case, Julien was right. Spooner isn't a well-rounded hockey player, not even close. And I think a case could be made he's a net neutral player, meaning he hurts you as much as he helps. And as an aside, Julien has played him more and more each passing year, despite the fact with each growing year his mediocrity becomes more and more clear. He's a case of a guy who has gotten too much rope.

My take after watching Claude 10 years the players he likes is obvious especially at center. Spooner & Khokhlachev are not his MO. He will go with kids but he wants minimal risk and the an understanding of defense/zones.

Heinen will be a Claude guy. DeBrusk will get a long leash. He can tolerate wings learning on the fly but his centers are focal.

I don't blame him about the centers I get it and I give Sweeney credit drafting JFK & Frederic in the past 2 drafts who likely can play his system

He will play kids but they better be with the program like Pastrnak has become and Acciari was from day 1. Vatrano tries his ass off in all 3 zones so he will in time be a plus defensive forward to go with 20-30 goals

 

[SpitfireIX]

I agree. Prediction for next year:

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Morrow - K. Miller
C. Miller

If your right and you might well be the Zboril really start having some stink to it...

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Pretty good line-up. I would replace Spooner (traded) with Czarnik on the third line if the Bruins are determined to keep Backes at RW.

Don't see the fuss with this kid. Looks to be a dime a dozen player, yet a smaller one.

 

[SpitfireIX]

They actually have plenty of depth, problem being it's quantity and not quality.

And why does what Schaller did in high school matter? I'm not about to proclaim him the next great power forward, but the guy can play, and he's producing. Seems like Buffalo staff missed the boat here. Development curves are not all the same.

Its not actual depth if there is no quality to it. There are leagues (the AHL and ECHL) with players that can fill roster spots. Having depth means having good quality players to step up when needed. Your statement is an oxymoron.

Tim Schaller is not producing, check his stat line. What is he producing exactly? What did Buffalo miss? He has 2 assists in his last 5 games!!!! You missed my point. My point was that the guy hasn't produced anywhere... His career at hockey could be characterized as a flatline... This guy belongs in the AHL, Buffalo did the right thing letting him walk. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123525

We have a 4th line bubble player in Schaller on our 2nd line and a 4th liner in Riley Nash on our 3rd line. I don't fault Julien for it either because Beleskey, Spooner and Hayes have been brutal.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Don't see the fuss with this kid. Looks to be a dime a dozen player, yet a smaller one.

He skates around a lot but doesn't seem to do much else.

 

[wintersej]

Agreed -- I'm also very skeptical of UFA deals for D oversll, and while Alzner is solid, not worth what he'll likely cost.

In the list I think Shattenkirk/Stone/Alzner are the most attractive, and like you say, could help us, but yeah -- I doubt they'll really be worth what you'd have to pay to land then, including Shattenkirk-- easily the best of that bunch-- who I think is going to get a big contract. With Carlo/McAvoy, I'm now (slightly) less worried about RHD. Perhaps we need to bite the bullet on a Stone? I don't know -- I still wish we could package Spooner for a younger D... seems unlikely now.

I think at this point you just roll with it (maybe Stone as a rental if the team looks rental worthy) and hope that Carlo or Charlie turn into your #1. Zboril has had a bounce back year and Morrow/Colin are looking like they are solidifying themselves as NHL players. Add Lindgren to the pile, too. Heck, Chara might be able to sign 1 year Jagr deals after his contract and play in the bottom 4. I wish they had an upgrade for Krug's partner, but just don't see how it makes sense unless you are getting a Trouba-like talent.

I want to see how Vatrano looks on Krejci's LW. Krejci/Backes just SCREAMS the need for a shooter. That, and I want to know if Chara is coming back and playing like he was before his latest injury. Best to just wait and see right now.

 

[wintersej]

I agree. Prediction for next year:

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Morrow - K. Miller
C. Miller

Morrow, Kevan, Colin. I think one of those guys is playing in Vegas (unless they expose Beleskey, which I am not against).

 

[BruinDust]

Its not actual depth if there is no quality to it. There are leagues (the AHL and ECHL) with players that can fill roster spots. Having depth means having good quality players to step up when needed. Your statement is an oxymoron.

Tim Schaller is not producing, check his stat line. What is he producing exactly? What did Buffalo miss? He has 2 assists in his last 5 games!!!! You missed my point. My point was that the guy hasn't produced anywhere... His career at hockey could be characterized as a flatline... This guy belongs in the AHL, Buffalo did the right thing letting him walk. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123525

We have a 4th line bubble player in Schaller on our 2nd line and a 4th liner in Riley Nash on our 3rd line. I don't fault Julien for it either because Beleskey, Spooner and Hayes have been brutal.

They have guys who can step up. I'd argue they haven't had depth throughout the organization like this in years. Heinen, Kuraly and O'Gara have already played in the NHL this season and didn't look out of place. Vatrano should return. Not to mention Randell and Ferlin who've had NHL experience. I could keep going. Capable guys, not ECHL filler. I'm not sure you understand what depth in an NHL organization is when you say Boston has no depth.

And I never said Schaller is a guy who should be on a scoring line. If he was on Buffalo right now he'd be tied for 7th in team scoring. So yeah, they missed out, he's a legit NHL player based on his 1st quarter, albeit a 4th line guy ideally.

Or are you one of these posters that if a guy doesn't have 1st/2nd rd pedigree he doesn't matter?

 

[BruinDust]

He skates around a lot but doesn't seem to do much else.

He made some nice plays tonight.

But he wasn't drafted in rds. 1 or 2 so you probably didn't notice.

 

[Ice Nine]

I think at this point you just roll with it (maybe Stone as a rental if the team looks rental worthy) and hope that Carlo or Charlie turn into your #1. Zboril has had a bounce back year and Morrow/Colin are looking like they are solidifying themselves as NHL players. Add Lindgren to the pile, too. Heck, Chara might be able to sign 1 year Jagr deals after his contract and play in the bottom 4. I wish they had an upgrade for Krug's partner, but just don't see how it makes sense unless you are getting a Trouba-like talent.

I want to see how Vatrano looks on Krejci's LW. Krejci/Backes just SCREAMS the need for a shooter. That, and I want to know if Chara is coming back and playing like he was before his latest injury. Best to just wait and see right now.

Yeah, this may be the best strategy right now. A bit of a waiting game. Whatever happens, I don't expect any really blockbuster moves either now or before the deadline.

 

[Danton Heineken]

Ya has a big slap-shot and that is about it.

The same was once said about one Johnny Boychuk.

 

[BruinDust]

Proposal:

Transaction 1 - Waive Jimmy Hayes and call-up whoever

Transaction 2 - Waive Riley Nash and call-up whoever

 

[bp13]

Proposal:

Transaction 1 - Waive Jimmy Hayes and call-up whoever

Transaction 2 - Waive Riley Nash and call-up whoever

Before you waive Jimmy Hayes, you need to think long and hard about who else you're going to use in round 14 of shootouts.

 

[BruinDust]

Before you waive Jimmy Hayes, you need to think long and hard about who else you're going to use in round 14 of shootouts.

I'm cool with letting the back-up goaltender that night take a stab at the shoot-out if it means Hayes is riding the buses in Providence and not on my TV screen.