News Article: Alfredsson Retirement Announcement Expected Dec 4 in Ottawa

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What makes me feel better about this disaster is that we're not alone. The situations are different but how about these other current proto-franchise players:

- Brodeur
- Iginla
- St-Louis
- Legwand

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more.
 

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What makes me feel better about this disaster is that we're not alone. The situations are different but how about these other current proto-franchise players:

- Brodeur
- Iginla
- St-Louis
- Legwand

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more.

Brodeur is the headliner here... Such a shame. Vinny in Tampa was also a bit of a sad situation (if only he was making less).
 

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As long as Melnyk says it will happen one day, I am okay with this. Alfredsson banner ceremony in 2017 would be okay with me.

If he's also getting into the HHoF, then that would be a good time as well. either way, the wounds will heal and he will be accepted with love again one day, and on that day he will be suitably enshrined in Ottawa hockey history.
 

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I love Redden and Hossa and so many others others but really the only player whose sweater should be raised to the rafters so far is Alfie.

But imagine if we had the goal tending we have now and the teams we had then-in 2003 my all time favourite team and 2007 on our Finals run and 2006 or whatever year Hasek had his injury at the Olympics...
 

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When Alfie left I blamed him full out. Then, when the few details about the contract negotiation that we actually have came out, I split the blame although probably more goes onto Melnyk's side.

As I see it, the team tried to lowball Alfie. That could just be a part of contract negotiations, I suppose, but when you are a couple of million out it is hard for the other side to take you seriously. I believed the team was convinced he would never leave, which made them think they could get away with paying him below his value. Using that type of leverage is bush league, as Bonk put it. To their credit, the team learned from this and signed several players to very fair (and full value) contracts this past summer.

I shove some blame onto Alfie's side because I am convinced that he was motivated at least in part by pride and pettiness. When he saw the original offer from the Sens, and when it was clear that the team was not going to pay extra to "top up" the difference from the cap circumvention years from the previous contract, he walked out the door rather than entering into a real negotiation. To borrow the phrase from the previous paragraph, what he did was bush league. He is a grownup and a professional, not a petulant 7 year old.

Both sides won in the short term but lost in the bigger picture. Alfie got his cash and had the chance to play with some of his Olympic teammates. Speaking of which, he was added to the Swedish Olympic roster after being initially left out (if memory serves me right). However, fairly or unfairly, his legacy is now questioned a bit in ways that would never have occurred had he stayed with the Sens for the last season of his career.

The team won in the short and even medium term by rolling the budget dollars they would have paid to Alfie into another player. The common scenario floated is that it allowed the team to trade for Ryan, although it is also possible that it allowed the team to sign MacArthur. It doesn't matter. Either way, had Alfie signed the team could not have added both under their shoestring budget that season. In the bigger picture, the brand of the team (which is everything), suffered huge amounts of damage. The fiasco fed into the brewing perception that the team was cheap and not committed to winning. Now, in the second season after Alfie leaving, the team is just starting to win back some of the pile of good will from fans that was lost. When merchandise, tickets, etc are all factored in I am pretty sure that the team lost more revenue than the dollar figures difference between what they offered Alfie and what he would have signed for. Just a guess though, because the true dollar figures from some of those revenue streams are not public knowledge.

Both sides won a bit and lost a lot. My hope is that both sides decide to put it all behind them and just move forward. A big part of that would be for the team to be included in whatever retirement stuff happens once Alfie makes his announcement. A second part of that would be to re-integrate Alfie into the team and into our community by offering him some type of position.

Wow...nice summary IMO. Alfie was always my guy and like a divorce-good analogy people- I was in disbeleef, mad,sad, hate change.

Now that time has passed I get that it takes two and it was messy.

Based on that let's accept it and come together and move on. What Alfie represents is a generation, the first generation of Sens fans hopes and dreams. The sweater in the rafters is half about him and half about us.
Let's raise it and all feel whole.
 

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Assuming the retirement announcement is coming shortly...

If the number 11 jersey isn't in the rafters by the start of the 2015-16 season at the latest, I will consider it a complete failure on everyone's part. There is nothing to wait for. There is zero reason to wait 2, 4, 6 years into the future.
 

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Assuming the retirement announcement is coming shortly...

If the number 11 jersey isn't in the rafters by the start of the 2015-16 season at the latest, I will consider it a complete failure on everyone's part. There is nothing to wait for. There is zero reason to wait 2, 4, 6 years into the future.

And what if he changes his mind and comes back for the wings? Imagine him playing in an opposing barn with his jersey hanging in the rafters?
AW--KWARD!!
 

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Instead of having a Announcement/Ceremony/Final Honouring. Alfie should just go on Twitter and Tweet something like, "I'm Retired, Pce, #Sorry #NotSorry" That would be epic, and cut some drama.
 

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I probably didn't express it as well as I should be. It's not that making amends with Alfie specifically is needed to attract free agents.

It's more that recognizing mistakes and correcting them is something professionally run organizations do.

Once an organization loses sight of doing the right thing (and letting egos get in the way), it makes everything that much harder.

This seems like the time and place to correct a mistake, and I'm happy that the organization is looking to do that.

Agreed.

Personal feelings about the split aside, the organization needs to be the one to do the 'right thing' here. There are many things that happen that are often out of the control of a business, yet most classy businesses will still capitulate and give customers a little something to smooth things over and retain their brand/customers/standing/etc.

For the sake of the Senators brand and future dealings with players and fans, the team should do something (like retiring his number).
 

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Agreed.

Personal feelings about the split aside, the organization needs to be the one to do the 'right thing' here. There are many things that happen that are often out of the control of a business, yet most classy businesses will still capitulate and give customers a little something to smooth things over and retain their brand/customers/standing/etc.

For the sake of the Senators brand and future dealings with players and fans, the team should do something (like retiring his number).

We are well known as a classy organization. We're a Brian Murray team.

There should be no worries on this front at all.
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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We are well known as a classy organization. We're a Brian Murray team.

There should be no worries on this front at all.

All it takes is one smudge to dull the shine.

You can do a million incredible things in your lifetime, but people always remember the one time you did something rotten/stupid/negative. Just human nature.

More good karma points we can accumulate, the better. :)
 

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And what if he changes his mind and comes back for the wings? Imagine him playing in an opposing barn with his jersey hanging in the rafters?
AW--KWARD!!

I'm sure some people around here would spin this and make it look like Alfie is some sort of hero
 

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Ya Alfie being in Sweden all summer..playing the little game of not sure if I'm healthy enough. Then signing at 12:01 to a division rival.

Ya its all Melnyk's fault.

Even if Alfie was insulted by Melnyk...What about his teammates, Brian Murray, the fans, the community, and his own family...who did not want him to go to Detroit??

Alfie is the one to blame fully, and it's sad.

Like others have said, any honorings should be far in the future.

I'm not against him getting a job in management. It will help repair a lot.

Alfie could have held a press conference and told the fans they were the worst peices of garbage he had ever known in his whole entire life and he hates all of them. And still sheep would be like crying his name and begging him not to go.
 

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Alfie could have held a press conference and told the fans they were the worst peices of garbage he had ever known in his whole entire life and he hates all of them. And still sheep would be like crying his name and begging him not to go.

A lot of people have strong feelings for our long time Captain and heart and soul leader.It seems you never particularly cared for him so of course you dont feel the same.

What a player has done over time means more in the long run than a rift at the end of his career.

You appear to feel the same about Spezza for example who after all did ask to be moved and reportedly has wanted out for a few years,yet you seem to bear him no ill will and have posted multiple times in the Dallas Spezza thread declaring your devotion.
 

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So are we still expecting him to make an announcement or for the club to do something tomorrow? Or have the rumours passed and he will announce retirement at another time (Likely Dec 27) if he wants to do it in Ottawa?
 

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A lot of people have strong feelings for our long time Captain and heart and soul leader.It seems you never particularly cared for him so of course you dont feel the same.

What a player has done over time means more in the long run than a rift at the end of his career.

You appear to feel the same about Spezza for example who after all did ask to be moved and reportedly has wanted out for a few years,yet you seem to bear him no ill will and have posted multiple times in the Dallas Spezza thread declaring your devotion.

He also turned down a trade that would have seen him traded to top 4 team in the league and would have benefited the Sens immensely. Instead he screwed the Sens over and did what was best for himself. At least Alfredsson left after fulfilling his contract. I have no idea how anyone can really knock Alfredsson at this point.
 

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What makes me feel better about this disaster is that we're not alone. The situations are different but how about these other current proto-franchise players:

- Brodeur
- Iginla
- St-Louis
- Legwand

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more.

I get "proto-franchise" but Legwand isn't Nashville's franchise player, Weber is. And they locked him up for a long time. Brodeur's wound is self-inflicted. He's done as a starting goaltender and should just retire. St-Louis is a really unfortunate split and Iggy at least helped his team by accepting a trade, but should have retired instead of going into Colorado's obscurity.

But yes, many good players have ended their careers in futility in Detroit. Federko, Alfie, Salming all come to mind.


And what if he changes his mind and comes back for the wings? Imagine him playing in an opposing barn with his jersey hanging in the rafters?
AW--KWARD!!

Alfie is done. He isn't signing a contract with Detroit and his retirement annoucnement is imminent. His body is broken down and it's over.
 

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Alfie is done. He isn't signing a contract with Detroit and his retirement annoucnement is imminent. His body is broken down and it's over.

Well, what if he shows up at his retirement press conference and takes off his Sens jersey, only to be seen wearing a Detroit TIGERS jersey underneath, turning his back on the entire NHL! Imagine him playing in an opposing barn FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPORT with his jersey hanging in the rafters?

SUPER EXTRA AW--KWARD!!
 
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