Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

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From the article posted above.
But unless the Blueshirts are overwhelmed by a trade offer that objectively makes no sense on the other side — specifically, such as the Senators offering 20-year-old center Brady Tkachuk and the third-overall pick in exchange for the Quebecer who was born and raised approximately 100 miles from Ottawa — then this is as slam dunk of a personnel decision as it gets.
Imagine we ended up with Brady Tkachuk and Tim Stultze? That would be insane. Could be a cup worthy dream. It is probably not fair to Laf for me to even ask this question but imagine that trade was made?
 
Button compared Lafrenière to Rantanan.


Roy said Lafreniere is no MacKinnon or Crosby





Huberdeau or Rantanen. Both of them are very good players.




Laf is nothing whatsoever like Rantanen, I can see Hub comparisons tho. But to get even to Huberdeau's best level Laffy needs to up his intensity by a million. He is looking, or searching, for the right play when he gets the puck on his stick (which makes him slow) instead of just going with the right play instinctively and immediately like a confident player does.
 
From the article posted above.

Imagine we ended up with Brady Tkachuk and Tim Stultze? That would be insane. Could be a cup worthy dream. It is probably not fair to Laf for me to even ask this question but imagine that trade was made?

It's not fair to Laf. Not one team in the league would have picked Stutzle over Laf.

Not one.
 
Just reading that pre-draft article gave me a bit more hope than I had earlier today. Hope goes a long way for me. :)

It's not fair to Laf. Not one team in the league would have picked Stutzle over Laf.

Not one.
Actually there was one scout (think he works for Detroit) that had Tim #1 but he was the only scout that did.

I think you misunderstood the scenario I was posting about. The scenario was a trade where Ottawa got the #1 (Laf) in a trade for Brady and the #3 (Tim)
 
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nah i get the gist of your post - 60-70 pts in not that big of a deal nowadays. what i'm driving is that 13 has to show on ice and paper that he can reach that level of productivity. once he does somehow to reach that level then yeah your point(s) will begin to become relevant, but he's gotta do it first.
65 points is almost exactly a 1st line player. Looking up the past two years combined, precisely 90 players have a 0.79 pts per game or better. I’d say 60-70 is still meaningful. Just sayin’.
 
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Yeah, no way this franchise was going to trade it's first #1 overall in a millennia.
I would not be 100% sure. Gorton and JD did not commit to making the pick right away. They kept their options open which they should had done regardless of who was the pick unless it was McDavid.
 
It’s crazy because I see a guy like Othmann and even Cuylle for that matter Last night and they are making these creative passes, carrying the puck across the offensive blue line, pushing the defense back and then dropping a pass to a teammate. There was a really nice give and go between Cuylle and Kakko in the neutral zone that lead to a chance. Things that you just don’t even see Lafreniere do that aren’t even truly high-end.
 
It’s crazy because I see a guy like Othmann and even Cuylle for that matter Last night and they are making these creative passes, carrying the puck across the offensive blue line, pushing the defense back and then dropping a pass to a teammate. There was a really nice give and go between Cuylle and Kakko in the neutral zone that lead to a chance. Things that you just don’t even see Lafreniere do that aren’t even truly high-end.
Hopefully we see that stuff very soon from Laf. In the article posted earlier today passing was suppossed to be a predraft strength.
 
Alex. Daigle.
Even Daigle had a few years of 51 point seasons and those were in various stages of the DPE. We're not even at 40 yet with Laf. But I remember Daigle's one year with the Rangers and I think that is a great comparison to what we've seen so far. Daigle's Rangers stats were 58GP 8-18-26 which translates to 12-27-39 in a full season.

I alao think Laf's playoff run was a tad overrated. The guy had 2 goals in 20 playoff games and people were thinking he was breaking out. Chytil was the true driver and producer of the kid line, followed by Kakko's puck possession and cycling.

Hoping for the best with Laf, but hard to string much optimism together just yet.
 
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The problem with Laf is that everything about him is just so pedestrian. Kakko has the board play and cycle possession skills and silky hands driving the net. He needs strength and confidence but you can see exactly what type of player you would expect him to be at his peak. Chytil has great speed, a very good shot and good hands. Around the league, you see it all the time. Guys like Andreas Athanasiou never become anything to write home about but they do flash the skills that got them to the show and into a top nine role regularly. Guys like Hughes, when struggling in their rookie season, still show massive skill immediately - and it isn’t because of the extra minutes or the PP time. The first time he stepped on NHL ice he was ready to try carrying the puck, try taking an NHL defender one on one, try threading the needle, not hesitant to shoot. Bedard in his first preseason game literally refused to get off the ice in OT and literally ended the game with a beautiful backhand saucer pass. You should see some of the highlights from his first game - plays he didn’t score on but looked ridiculously good on. It’s not about comparing them as players necessarily, or their situations, it’s about that hunger to step on the ice and immediately WANT it and want to show what you’re capable of. Laf just looks like the most non-descript, totally pedestrian guy out there and he doesn’t show any personal initiative to take over a shift. You have a new coach and opportunity to make fresh impressions. It’s preseason. It’s the time to make a mistake going for the skill play. You can chalk it up to “getting my timing and getting confident with handling the puck - don’t worry coach, in a meaningful game that puck gets deep”. There’s no reason for him to come out and play neutered and for us to blame it on GG or DQ right now. He has every opportunity to come out and try to show something here in preseason and instead he just looks like happy Laffy from game 60 last year. Totally average.

That’s my biggest issue with him. Even if he does reach 60 points eventually, he won’t move the needle for us. He won’t become a play driver. He’s a complimentary piece, even if he’s in the 50+ point range. I hope he finds something to show us this year. I can’t see it.
Whats the most frustrating thing about LAF is that his biggest weakness is so apparent that even my wife (who watches 1-2 games a year) has commented on how he looks so much slower than everyone else. She even asked me if he was playing hurt once. This is something that he can work on and improve but in the 3+ years since being drafted he has shown zero improvement. I also think its a bit glaring that not once have we heard anyone within the Rangers (be it Vally, Sam, John, Joe, PR team, anyone really) make any reference to LAF working on his skating or even anything offsean related. Is it possible he just stopped caring once he was drafted or let the #1 pick status get to his head?

Ultimately, since being drafted he has shown nothing more than being JAG.
 
Even Daigle had a few years of 51 point seasons and those were in various stages of the DPE. We're not even at 40 yet with Laf. But I remember Daigle's one year with the Rangers and I think that is a great comparison to what we've seen so far. Daigle's Rangers stats were 58GP 8-18-26 which translates to 12-27-39 in a full season.

I alao think Laf's playoff run was a tad overrated. The guy had 2 goals in 20 playoff games and people were thinking he was breaking out. Chytil was the true driver and producer of the kid line, followed by Kakko's puck possession and cycling.

Hoping for the best with Laf, but hars to string much optimism together just yet.
Daigle had legit skills. Ottawa threw him in the deep end and said swim. Worked a bit at first but he got overwhelmed. He did not have the hunger for the game. If you do not work hard for most the games it is very rare you can become and stay elite in the NHL.
 
Even Daigle had a few years of 51 point seasons and those were in various stages of the DPE. We're not even at 40 yet with Laf. But I remember Daigle's one year with the Rangers and I think that is a great comparison to what we've seen so far. Daigle's Rangers stats were 58GP 8-18-26 which translates to 12-27-39 in a full season.

I alao think Laf's playoff run was a tad overrated. The guy had 2 goals in 20 playoff games and people were thinking he was breaking out. Chytil was the true driver and producer of the kid line, followed by Kakko's puck possession and cycling.

Hoping for the best with Laf, but hars to string much optimism together just yet.
Fully agree with you on all counts brother.
 
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Daigle had legit skills. Ottawa threw him in the deep end and said swim. Worked a bit at first but he got overwhelmed. He did not have the hunger for the game. If you do not work hard for most the games it is very rare you can become and stay elite in the NHL.
Lack of hunger seems true of Laf as well.
 
Lack of hunger seems true of Laf as well.
I thought he found that hunger in the second half of 2021 and the playoffs. I'm not sure what happened last season. What I thought would be his time to take a step forward I think he took a step back. If he was not in great shape that would explain it but I do not know if that rumor is true or not.
 
I thought he found that hunger in the second half of 2021 and the playoffs. I'm not sure what happened last season. What I thought would be his time to take a step forward I think he took a step back. If he was not in great shape that would explain it but I do not know if that rumor is true or not.
We often hear details and see videos of NHL players training vigorously the summer before a key season. This is such a season for Laf. I didn’t see anything — just him ambiguously saying he worked on his agility. And, if he did, I don’t see it. He seems lazy and unmotivated.
 
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