Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[NickyFotiu]

It looks like everybody is just off out there . Fire the damn coach and get it over with already . Drury is scared of his own job I guess and hopes they come out of it.

It is pond hockey every night .

I don't think Drury will have much choice soon. Id be more concerned with Housley than Lavi or Peca. The lineup is so soft mentally and physically. They do need some alpha males for sure. How bad is it when TV guys call your team a bunch of betas?

 

[leetch99]

I don't think Drury will have much choice soon. Id be more concerned with Housley than Lavi or Peca. The lineup is so soft mentally and physically. They do need some alpha males for sure. How bad is it when TV guys call your team a bunch of betas?

You know they all were terrified every time Wilson was out there yesterday . I am surprised they never called up Harpur with Rempe gone .

 

[NickyFotiu]

You know they all were terrified every time Wilson was out there yesterday . I am surprised they never called up Harpur with Rempe gone .

Zooks was like 5 foot 6 but still stood up. Playing us is like playing against a no hitting seniors league team. Most our guys can do okay on other tougher teams but not together with other soft betas.

 

[noncents]

culture is endemic and difficult to change. the reason why we signed a Goodrow or drafted an Adam Sykora is because the character to give it your all every shift is a rare and useful trait. stick it on a skilled, smart, or physically gifted player and you've got a stew goin. The best have all 4.

leadership and clutch are different than motor. i think leadership has a lot of facets - the guys who raise a cultural ceiling are different than the guys who raise a floor. Laf is more the former - he's more cherry on top than bedrock.

 

[Machinehead]

...he drives play at least

 

[noncents]

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...he drives play at least

also due to regress, like the rest of the goal scorers on this team

 

[EightyFour]

Laf and Kappo are 1 pt apart now on the season, when is Laf officially a bust?

 

[ReddestRum]

Laf and Kappo are 1 pt apart now on the season, when is Laf officially a bust?

He's nowhere close to the likes of Yakupov, but he's also nowhere close to what 1OAs do for their teams, and that's a franchise player you build around.

I want to say that's he's a locked in Top 6 at least, but what does Laf become when Panarin isn't around to be a playmaker and puck mover for him. Sure Laf has flashes of driving the play, but he's not that guy on his line.

 

[CLW]

He's nowhere close to the likes of Yakupov, but he's also nowhere close to what 1OAs do for their teams, and that's a franchise player you build around.

I want to say that's he's a locked in Top 6 at least, but what does Laf become when Panarin isn't around to be a playmaker and puck mover for him. Sure Laf has flashes of driving the play, but he's not that guy on his line.

Same old story. How can he be that guy on his line when his entire NYR career it has been Panarin or Zibanejad who have been that guy on their lines, a situation heavily enforced by the NYR. Lafreniere just this season got his camel nose under the PP1 tarp for the first time... L.O.L.

The NYR prioritize making the playoffs year in year out (i.e. the immediate now) over actually building a winner. And to be honest most fans prefer it that way.

Maybe, possibly, Laf can get his soul back if he gets the hell out of NY.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Same old story. How can he be that guy on his line when his entire NYR career it has been Panarin or Zibanejad who have been that guy on their lines, a situation heavily enforced by the NYR. Lafreniere just this season got his camel nose under the PP1 tarp for the first time... L.O.L.

The NYR prioritize making the playoffs year in year out (i.e. the immediate now) over actually building a winner. And to be honest most fans prefer it that way.

Maybe, possibly, Laf can get his soul back if he gets the hell out of NY.

Are you saying playing with Bread hurts Laffys point production?

 

[Row I Goon]

That whole line has gone cold compared to the start of the season.

But then, almost the entire squad has been shithouse.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Are you saying playing with Bread hurts Laffys point production?

Long term, yes. If you just want to look at an individual season, then no.

It's not really about point production. It's about developing the kids. All they've ever been asked to do at the NHL level is defer to guys who can't get it done in tight-checking games. Years of that would change anybody.

 

[noncents]

Same old story. How can he be that guy on his line when his entire NYR career it has been Panarin or Zibanejad who have been that guy on their lines, a situation heavily enforced by the NYR. Lafreniere just this season got his camel nose under the PP1 tarp for the first time... L.O.L.

The NYR prioritize making the playoffs year in year out (i.e. the immediate now) over actually building a winner. And to be honest most fans prefer it that way.

Maybe, possibly, Laf can get his soul back if he gets the hell out of NY.

i'm in on this. laf on another team is an 80pt 1lw today

 

[NickyFotiu]

Long term, yes. If you just want to look at an individual season, then no.

It's not really about point production. It's about developing the kids. All they've ever been asked to do at the NHL level is defer to guys who can't get it done in tight-checking games. Years of that would change anybody.

How do you see Laffy defering to Bread when on the ice together? Who told him to defer to Bread? When did this conversation take place?

 

[will1066]

How do you see Laffy defering to Bread when on the ice together? Who told him to defer to Bread? When did this conversation take place?

It's not deferment per se but when you play with someone on a line for a season-plus, there's no way that linemate doesn't influence your game. He looks like a passive finesse player who is lazy on the defensive side of the puck most of the time. And when your skating has seemingly disappeared again, that's a bad combination.

 

[Harbour Dog]

How do you see Laffy defering to Bread when on the ice together? Who told him to defer to Bread? When did this conversation take place?

Maybe defer is the wrong word. Though there is some of that going on as well. See Kakko's first placement with Panarin.

Mainly though, it's that none of our young guys have been put in a position to be driving the ship. They've been treated as bottom 6ers or complimentary talent at best since we brought them in. That's not normal. Uber-talented kids are normally allowed a very long leash to explore their limits and figure out how to succeed in the NHL.

Instead, we've ridden a core of guys who unravel when games get rough.

 

[noncents]

How do you see Laffy defering to Bread when on the ice together? Who told him to defer to Bread? When did this conversation take place?

how do you see laf not deferring to panarin? how do you think he developed this tendency, if not told by someone? how do you know a conversation happened?

 

[ReddestRum]

Maybe defer is the wrong word. Though there is some of that going on as well. See Kakko's first placement with Panarin.

Mainly though, it's that none of our young guys have been put in a position to be driving the ship. They've been treated as bottom 6ers or complimentary talent at best since we brought them in. That's not normal. Uber-talented kids are normally allowed a very long leash to explore their limits and figure out how to succeed in the NHL.

Instead, we've ridden a core of guys who unravel when games get rough.

I will agree with this that this organization had not lived up to their production of young talent. However there are players that rise above getting lower minutes and still producing for their team. Lucas Raymond and Anton Lundell come to mind.

Again, I believe this org did Kakko and Laf a disservice, but if you are deserving to be drafted high and you're playing on the bottom 6 against other bottom 6 opponents, you should at least look like you're better than them.