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HatTrick Swayze said:
Next time we wonder why multiple unanimous consensus top of the draft prospects aren't producing, basically just pull this game tape.

How many times in the last 3 years do you think Jack Hughes was benched, pulled off a scoring line, not given PP time, for grinders because his team was losing a regular-season game? This short-sighted, risk-averse, old-school mentality is pervasive throughout the entire NYR org.
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This team doesn’t know how to groom a player like Kakko or laf

We refuse to let these players play how they play
 
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Someone the other day asked 'would you trade Lafreniere & Kakko for Zegras?'

I thought about it and then thought... "No... we'd ruin him too"

There will be a day where the NYR pick #1 again and that kid is going to act like he was sent to Siberia
 
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Riche16 said:
Someone the other day asked 'would you trade Lafreniere & Kakko for Zegras?'

I thought about it and then thought... "No... we'd ruin him too"

There will be a day where the NYR pick #1 again and that kid is going to act like he was sent to Siberia
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Honestly zegras would never see the ice or the powerplay because we have Ryan Strome
 
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Chaels Arms said:
It's painful watching Hughes play how he did tonight knowing we, without exaggeration, have not seen anything like that from either Kakko or Lafreniere in their careers to date.
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Hughes is playing well because he is playing with the best line mates in the world and not playing on the 5th line.
 
Just for arguments sake

Hughes in his career is -46
Laf is a -7

Hughes has averaged 17:57 per game in his 3 seasons
Laf has averaged 13:57 per game in 2 seasons

LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

13:57 PER GAME​

If anyone things jack Hughes and is complete lack of playing defense would get almost 18 minutes a night playing on our team you are kidding yourself

Let me also add in his first 2 seasons Hughes had 52 points…laf has had 42

The 52 points compared to 42 are both over 117 games

So to recap over 117 games Hughes has scored 10 more points and had 404 minutes more time on ice then laf

Let that sink in for a minute

Hughes in his first 117 games played has played 404 minutes more then laf has played in his first 117 games

If anyone can sit here and tell me that laf can’t be as good or better then Hughes you’re just flat out wrong

The rangers are without a doubt handling laf completely wrong

I feel like @Amazing Kreiderman with this post btw…I’d like to add this was tough to do on my cellphone in bed
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
Hughes is playing like this now because the devils allow him to
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Oh I know.

I am one of the leading members of the "let Alexis cook" club.

It's just sad that seemingly every other team in the NHL is able to allow their highly drafted forwards to turn into real players whereas we seem to want everyone to be the next Brandon Dubinsky.
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
Just for arguments sake

Hughes in his career is -46
Laf is a -7

Hughes has averaged 17:57 per game in his 3 seasons
Laf has averaged 13:57 per game in 2 seasons

LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

13:57 PER GAME​

If anyone things jack Hughes and is complete lack of playing defense would get almost 18 minutes a night playing on our team you are kidding yourself

Let me also add in his first 2 seasons Hughes had 52 points…laf has had 42

The 52 points compared to 42 are both over 117 games

So to recap over 117 games Hughes has scored 10 more points and had 404 minutes more time on ice then laf

Let that sink in for a minute

Hughes in his first 117 games played has played 404 minutes more then laf has played in his first 117 games

If anyone can sit here and tell me that laf can’t be as good or better then Hughes you’re just flat out wrong

The rangers are without a doubt handling laf completely wrong

I feel like @Amazing Kreiderman with this post btw…I’d like to add this was tough to do on my cellphone in bed
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The Rangers are hoping to make some noise in the Stanley Cup playoffs. With 19 wins this was the Devils Stanley Cup.
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
Just for arguments sake

Hughes in his career is -46
Laf is a -7

Hughes has averaged 17:57 per game in his 3 seasons
Laf has averaged 13:57 per game in 2 seasons

LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

13:57 PER GAME​

If anyone things jack Hughes and is complete lack of playing defense would get almost 18 minutes a night playing on our team you are kidding yourself

Let me also add in his first 2 seasons Hughes had 52 points…laf has had 42

The 52 points compared to 42 are both over 117 games

So to recap over 117 games Hughes has scored 10 more points and had 404 minutes more time on ice then laf

Let that sink in for a minute

Hughes in his first 117 games played has played 404 minutes more then laf has played in his first 117 games

If anyone can sit here and tell me that laf can’t be as good or better then Hughes you’re just flat out wrong

The rangers are without a doubt handling laf completely wrong

I feel like @Amazing Kreiderman with this post btw…I’d like to add this was tough to do on my cellphone in bed
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Yeah, but it's never the Rangers who are at fault according to some.

It's:

- Adjusting to smaller rinks (didn't affect Lundell, Raymond, Seider, Aho, Panarin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko etc)
- Didn't have a proper pre-season due to the pandemic (didn't affect Stützle, Kaprizov, Robertson, Sharangovich, Hagel etc)
- We have better players so we can't play them top-line minutes (didn't affect Lundell, Jarvis, Robertson, Jeannot, Tomasino, Boldy)
- They're not getting PP time (5-on-5 P/60, Kakko is 12th in his draft class, Lafrenière is 5th in his)

Bla bla bla. Some people will never criticize the Rangers which is fine but I'm tired of pointing out how every one of these arguments is bullshit.

It's not as if the Rangers have a track-record of top prospects underperforming when they join the team at a young age (18, 19 years old). No, the players can't handle the pressure or something. Or they aren't as talented as we think they are (which is weird to say about CONSENSUS top 2 picks in back to back drafts).

This organisation sucks at developing players at a young age, the most crucial years of their development. And I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
 
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And some people won’t just criticize variance and must look for reasons behind randomness. What’s the difference?
 
He's on another one of his streaks where you're like "oh, there he is!" and then he disappears for awhile. He needs to parlay one of these into sustained success.

I don't know what the issue was last night. I thought he was one of our better players before the whole team inexplicably left the ice 25 minutes in.

Maybe coach should think about why his entire team quit when they were winning midway through a game for no reason, instead of using Lafreniere as a punching bag in every bad game. Call a timeout - focus on that.

Maybe in another 2-3 years, Laf will be too old for "time to sit because you did fartjars when I asked you to do dickmelons." He'll cross the great bridge in the sky and become a vet. Then he can just play for the other team for a bit and get rewarded for it. That's fun.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
Next time we wonder why multiple unanimous consensus top of the draft prospects aren't producing, basically just pull this game tape.

How many times in the last 3 years do you think Jack Hughes was benched, pulled off a scoring line, not given PP time, for grinders because his team was losing a regular-season game? This short-sighted, risk-averse, old-school mentality is pervasive throughout the entire NYR org.
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This is a problem but I think just one of them. They are coaching them wrong somehow too.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Yeah, but it's never the Rangers who are at fault according to some.

It's:

- Adjusting to smaller rinks (didn't affect Lundell, Raymond, Seider, Aho, Panarin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko etc)
- Didn't have a proper pre-season due to the pandemic (didn't affect Stützle, Kaprizov, Robertson, Sharangovich, Hagel etc)
- We have better players so we can't play them top-line minutes (didn't affect Lundell, Jarvis, Robertson, Jeannot, Tomasino, Boldy)
- They're not getting PP time (5-on-5 P/60, Kakko is 12th in his draft class, Lafrenière is 5th in his)

Bla bla bla. Some people will never criticize the Rangers which is fine but I'm tired of pointing out how every one of these arguments is bullshit.

It's not as if the Rangers have a track-record of top prospects underperforming when they join the team at a young age (18, 19 years old). No, the players can't handle the pressure or something. Or they aren't as talented as we think they are (which is weird to say about CONSENSUS top 2 picks in back to back drafts).

This organisation sucks at developing players at a young age, the most crucial years of their development. And I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
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At this point, their record with Andersson, Chytil, Howden, Kravtsov, Kakko and Lafreniere is an unmitigated disaster.

And someone needs to be fired for it.
 
Rangers in 7 said:
If anyone can sit here and tell me that laf can’t be as good or better then Hughes you’re just flat out wrong

The rangers are without a doubt handling laf completely wrong
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What if I told you that, because the Rangers have handled and are continuing to handle him wrong, that I have my doubts that he’ll be as good or better than Hughes?
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Yeah, but it's never the Rangers who are at fault according to some.

It's:

- Adjusting to smaller rinks (didn't affect Lundell, Raymond, Seider, Aho, Panarin, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko etc)
- Didn't have a proper pre-season due to the pandemic (didn't affect Stützle, Kaprizov, Robertson, Sharangovich, Hagel etc)
- We have better players so we can't play them top-line minutes (didn't affect Lundell, Jarvis, Robertson, Jeannot, Tomasino, Boldy)
- They're not getting PP time (5-on-5 P/60, Kakko is 12th in his draft class, Lafrenière is 5th in his)

Bla bla bla. Some people will never criticize the Rangers which is fine but I'm tired of pointing out how every one of these arguments is bullshit.

It's not as if the Rangers have a track-record of top prospects underperforming when they join the team at a young age (18, 19 years old). No, the players can't handle the pressure or something. Or they aren't as talented as we think they are (which is weird to say about CONSENSUS top 2 picks in back to back drafts).

This organisation sucks at developing players at a young age, the most crucial years of their development. And I'm tired of pretending they aren't.
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You aren’t totally wrong, but you are also apples and oranges on some stuff.
like Kaprisov and Sharangovitch were both 22 when they came over last year, Kap turned 23 during the season. That’s way diff than being 18 or 19.
And as far as 5v5 points per 60, how many of those players ahead of Laf and Kakko were even IN the NHL at the start of their D+1? Players who weren’t learning on the job early in the NHL have a natural advantage there.
Just mitigating factors, real, not just excuses, and again I’m not defending the NYR development record. I dont like they way they’ve stifled these two in particular, and was pretty incensed at Laf sitting last night.
I will go on record as saying despite everyone’s frustrations, I still think both will be fantastic NHLers and that Laf will be a more valuable player than Hughes. Significantly.
 
mas0764 said:
At this point, their record with Andersson, Chytil, Howden, Kravtsov, Kakko and Lafreniere is an unmitigated disaster.

And someone needs to be fired for it.
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Howden? Tampa gave up on him. Fired for it? Havent we had multiple coaches and GMs in their time already? Their play is not about coaching. This is the NHL not Juniors or the AHL. Most player improvements come from the players themselves. Usually by maturing physically and mentally. Sometimes in the off season via things like commitment to improving skating. NHL coaches are not going to be the reason for dramatic improvements in prospects usually. Laf will get stronger. I know people think he is big already but he will get stronger. Sometimes guys are just what they are and that may be the case with Chytil. It was the case with Howden. Krav needs to get his butt to the AHL. Kakko needs to get healthy and hungry. I see some growth in Laf. He needs more experience and confidence. He should come in to each game with a goal of 2-3 shots a game. Kreider did fine here. Fox has done fine here. Zibs came in to his own here. This is not about coaching. What happened to all the guys that preached tanking and a 5 year plan to let guys grow?
 
Honestly, I place this on Dolan. If there wasn't this pressure from above to win, to make big moves, and to grab headlines, I think the organization is more willing to take the lumps and let guys make mistakes. Instead, it is all about winning while rebuilding. Those two things can be very at odds with each other.
 
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