Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[Levitate]

But this goes to the vets themselves. Most of them are too comfortable. It's the country club. That's why I referenced that love interview trouba did that night. He TRIED not to say certain things, but his long pauses and metered words said much more. I've mentioned it before but there was a rift in the room and it was on large part to how certain players took advantage of the hands off approach of the coaching staff. Entitlement breeds entitlement.


Agree. I think with kakko it's mostly confidence. Kids has the juice to attack and cycle and then muffs on wide open dunk shots bc he's think of shit I better not miss this. We have all been there playing a bad stretch when we start thinking instead of playing. From day 1 here kakko has been overthinking, in large part to the stupid way Quinn handled him at the start.

Laffy and kakko struggle but for different reasons in my opinion. One is a lack of confidence and the other is a lack of commitment.

Do you have proof of this rift or are you making assumptions
I mean it wouldn’t shock me if there was something there but it’s also what you get with a hands off coach. There are very few NHL teams that will self regulate to that extent IMO
A coach needs to set a baseline standard of expectations and hold the team to that before they can be hands off IMO but I’m not a NHL coach or player
Just kind of basic human nature

 

[PuckLuck3043]

So after all your bickering at me you have just come around to say the same thing I said at the start but just in a different way.

Thanks for that...

Nice try. This whole thing started when you said he was only using the Rangers to get a better contract after this year. I have explained pretty clearly how that is just not the case for a guy who is going to turn 38 before next season begins. He wants to win this year. That's why he is here for 800k.

 

[Levitate]

IMO Wheeler saw a chance to sign with a good team with someone he knew on it and that had a position that he could fill and he’s getting buyout money so taking a low contract isn’t a big deal this year
I expect he like everyone else is hoping the cap goes up next season enough to loosen the purse strings and he can get a bit more lucrative deal for another two years or so
But money is tight around the NHL right now

Anyways feel this is more about a shot at winning and playing a significant role than banking on making more money by rehabbing his reputation At his age the contract money likely goes down rather than up for the most part

 

[duhmetreE]

Can we get back to complaining about Laffy again? Thanks.

 

[Profet]

Can we get back to complaining about Laffy again? Thanks.

That dude better be lifting weights or learning to skate. Preferably both.

 

[bleedblue94]

Nice try. This whole thing started when you said he was only using the Rangers to get a better contract after this year. I have explained pretty clearly how that is just not the case for a guy who is going to turn 38 before next season begins. He wants to win this year. That's why he is here for 800k.

that is not all i said, you conveniently left out the part of me saying he was going to play with one of our stars and pump his offensive numbers bc people get paid more for those numbers. that is exactly what you just said in the last post:

"People aren't going to look to sign an aging then 38yo RW unless he has a productive year and his production will be measured mainly by points."


Please stop arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Said the same thing I have been saying.

Do you have proof of this rift or are you making assumptions
I mean it wouldn’t shock me if there was something there but it’s also what you get with a hands off coach. There are very few NHL teams that will self regulate to that extent IMO
A coach needs to set a baseline standard of expectations and hold the team to that before they can be hands off IMO but I’m not a NHL coach or player
Just kind of basic human nature

Do you want a locker room records? What is proof? There are people on this board that have some access. I am vetted. Even without that I suggest you go watch that unfiltered version of the interview again and really consider what was happening. How often does a captain call out his own coaching staff and the other stars on the team publicly, all while obviously stopping himself from actually saying what he wants to really say?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

that is not all i said, you conveniently left out the part of me saying he was going to play with one of our stars and pump his offensive numbers bc people get paid more for those numbers. that is exactly what you just said in the last post:

"People aren't going to look to sign an aging then 38yo RW unless he has a productive year and his production will be measured mainly by points."


Please stop arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Said the same thing I have been saying.


Do you want a locker room records? What is proof? There are people on this board that have some access. I am vetted. Even without that I suggest you go watch that unfiltered version of the interview again and really consider what was happening. How often does a captain call out his own coaching staff and the other stars on the team publicly, all while obviously stopping himself from actually saying what he wants to really say?

What? Obviously production matters but when you are older and near the end of your long career odds are very low that he is going to sign this fantasy big multi year contract. Panarin and Mika just came off a terrible playoff series and they did nothing to magically bolster Tarasenko's or Kane's PPG numbers they had with their previous teams. It's foolish to think Wheeler is going to be any more than what he has been for the last few years and he is a year older. 55-60 points would be awesome.

Proof of what? What is your point exactly and what does this have to do with Wheeler coming to the Rangers to try to win?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Mackinnon in his worst season put up 38 points in 64 games, he was also getting 17 minutes of ice time.
Laf in his best season put up 39 points in 81 games, with only 15:13 of ice time per game.
Laf only had an extra 200 minutes of ice time total.
After that subpar year.

in his d+3 year Mackinnon put up 52 points 21/31/52 in 18:52 of ice time over 72 games ES that was 14/21
in his d+3 year Laf put up 39 points 16/23/39 in 15:13 minutes of ice time over 81 games . ES that was 13/22

LAF IS FINE!

There’s really no comparison to MacKinnon

He played on some dogshit, barren Avalanche teams and he actually looked good and drove play but just wasn’t scoring.

He was a zone entry and puck carrying machine. Everything finally snapped

i wish Laf was showing the things he did early on.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Is the ‘Laf is fat and/or out of a shape’ narrative a meme or for real?

If it was actually the case and a problem, we would have heard something about it from the org at least by a leak….

 

[Levitate]

that is not all i said, you conveniently left out the part of me saying he was going to play with one of our stars and pump his offensive numbers bc people get paid more for those numbers. that is exactly what you just said in the last post:

"People aren't going to look to sign an aging then 38yo RW unless he has a productive year and his production will be measured mainly by points."


Please stop arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Said the same thing I have been saying.


Do you want a locker room records? What is proof? There are people on this board that have some access. I am vetted. Even without that I suggest you go watch that unfiltered version of the interview again and really consider what was happening. How often does a captain call out his own coaching staff and the other stars on the team publicly, all while obviously stopping himself from actually saying what he wants to really say?

Because you’re talking around things rather than straight up saying “this happened according to my sources”

 

[bleedblue94]

Because you’re talking around things rather than straight up saying “this happened according to my sources”

cool, it is my fault that i am not delivering information to you on a message board in a manner that is acceptable to you based on info i know that is not public knowledge. are you f***ing kidding me? no wonder the others always leave this place...

 

[duhmetreE]

Is the ‘Laf is fat and/or out of a shape’ narrative a meme or for real?

If it was actually the case and a problem, we would have heard something about it from the org at least by a leak….

It was mentioned he was measured in at 24%( think that was the number) body fat for camp.

Not good for an athlete if true

 

[Profet]

Is the ‘Laf is fat and/or out of a shape’ narrative a meme or for real?

If it was actually the case and a problem, we would have heard something about it from the org at least by a leak….

I don't know about fat... but this was taken from the main boards (fwiw):

2020 Alexis Lafreniere -- 6'1", 192 lbs

2023 Alexis Lafreniere -- 6'1", 195 lbs

Maybe some of that is fat loss and muscle gain... but 3lbs in 3 years for a late teen playing professional sports is just unacceptable. He should be 200+ with lots of lower body muscle.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

It was mentioned he was measured in at 24%( think that was the number) body fat for camp.

Not good for an athlete if true

Lol…, there’s no way that was the number…that’s obesity levels of BF.

I don't know about fat... but this was taken from the main boards (fwiw):

2020 Alexis Lafreniere -- 6'1", 192 lbs

2023 Alexis Lafreniere -- 6'1", 195 lbs

Maybe some of that is fat loss and muscle gain... but 3lbs in 3 years for a late teen playing professional sports is just unacceptable. He should be 200+ with lots of lower body muscle.

But people want him to be faster too? That’s seems like a fine weight for someone at his size

 

[will1066]

Lol…, there’s no way that was the number…that’s obesity levels of BF.



But people want him to be faster too? That’s seems like a fine weight for someone at his size

Just about one-quarter of his body composition would be composed of lard

 

[duhmetreE]

Lol…, there’s no way that was the number…that’s obesity levels of BF.

it's most definitely not.

rough estimation... p.s. I'm glad this is what we've degenerated to.

 

[will1066]

it's most definitely not.

rough estimation... p.s. I'm glad this is what we've degenerated to.

Using this as a guide, Laf is likely between 15 and 20%.

 

[duhmetreE]

Using this as a guide, Laf is likely between 15 and 20%.

it's based off of body weight and lean mass. He needs to get his lean mass up, I think that's the point.

 

[ReddestRum]

Kessel probably did eat a hotdog and hamburger a night and looked like he did, however, dude could f***ing skate and shoot the puck so I wouldn't put much thought into how heavy or how Laf looks. Once again, it just comes down to skill no matter what your body type is.

 

[Profet]

Lol…, there’s no way that was the number…that’s obesity levels of BF.



But people want him to be faster too? That’s seems like a fine weight for someone at his size

Yes... You want hockey players with tons of core and lower body strength... That's how players get explosively fast? (Think Kreider).

LaFreniere will never be a Hughes type skater. But he can still improve speed with more lower body strength.


Look at sprinters... their thighs are bigger than my waist.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Imagine telling people 3 years ago Laf would produce less than Yakupov through his first 216 games & that his thread would be full of people posting shirtless men to evaluate how fat & lazy he is.

 

[will1066]

I need a photoshop of someone with track and field legs, covered by a muffintop at the waist and topped off with two manboobs at the chest, in order to make a meaningful comparison with Laf

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Of course- did you expect anything else? But I believe the evidence certainly is there to say Laf is not exactly showing any drive to improve or if he is showing any— it’s very little.

It’s a good thing you don’t work for the DOJ. We have no evidence. You’re speculating based on assumptions. The kid is a professional athlete. It’s much more likely that he is busting his ass than that he is floating through his career. I just think we need to stop saying the kid has no drive and doesn’t put in the work. None of us know what he’s doing and as a result it’s impossible to discuss. I hope and expect that he’s putting the work in.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Imagine telling people 3 years ago Laf would produce less than Yakupov through his first 216 games & that his thread would be full of people posting shirtless men to evaluate how fat & lazy he is.

I was just thnking to myself... "What the f*** am I doing with my life..."

talking about a hockey prospect and body fat % with shirtless dudes....

 

[will1066]

Imagine telling people 3 years ago Laf would produce less than Yakupov through his first 216 games & that his thread would be full of people posting shirtless men to evaluate how fat & lazy he is.

You really "nailed" this