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ThirdEye said:
Are there any advance stats for Laf out there for the last 15 or so games? I remember seeing some before his warm streak but would be nice to get some validation that he's been noticeably better lately.
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Since February 1st (13 games total), these are Laf's relative 5v5 stats on the team:

CF%rel: +2.22 (7th on the team behind Panarin, Hunt, Kreider, Mika, Chytil, and Strome)
FF%rel: +2.90 (4th on the team behind Kreider, Zibanejad, Panarin)
xGF%rel: +5.51 (2nd on the team behind Kreider)
HDCF%rel: +2.65 (5th on the team behind Hunt, Chytil, Panarin, Goodrow)

His 5v5 production totals and rates are as follows:

Goals: 4 (1st on the team)
Primary assists: 1 (tied-4th)
Secondary assists: 1 (tied 4th)

The 6 5v5 points rank 3rd on the team behind Panarin (8) and Zibanejad (7). His P/60 is 1.95 which would be decent over the course of a full season, although I'd like it to be a bit higher. I think it can be sustainable going forward assuming he gets some finishing luck from his teammates since he won't continue to shoot 20%.
 
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bhamill said:
Cool. But staying in the lineup is important. Isn’t that one of the criticisms of Blais? You’re no use to the team if you’re hurt or being sat.
Listen, the point here is Hub is a great player, similarly drafted, and didn’t have a drastically different arc than Laf. I’m not saying Laf is or will be better, I’m saying that everyone freaking out or doomsaying after 113 games, where the player is actually looking good, would be well served to relax.
I don’t expect Laf to score 11 more points this year, especially if he continues to get no pp time, though I also wouldn’t be shocked. But yeah I expect him to have a better D+3 than Huberdeau had (28 points).
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I think the team is all in on him. No matter what he scores or what kind of points he puts up, you have to keep him in the lineup at this point and you have to keep him on the top lines.
 
ReddestRum said:
I think the team is all in on him. No matter what he scores or what kind of points he puts up, you have to keep him in the lineup at this point and you have to keep him on the top lines.
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Have to? No. But I think it's smart for his development, and as shown above over the last 13 games his advanced stats 5v5 are top seven or better on the team and his production is 1st in EV goals, tied for 4th in EV primary assists, tied for 4th in EV secondary assists. So even if they weren't "all in" it would be dumb to sit him. Plus he is probably the only player on the top six that consistently takes the body.
 
NickyFotiu said:
There is no difference between the posters that say Laf will be an 80 point scorer and the posters saying he is a bust.

NOBODY KNOWS YET!
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Well, define bust because he's already scoring more even strength goals than most of the team. There's also a difference between saying he IS a bust and saying you believe he will develop into something. I BELIEVE he will be an excellent 200 foot physical winger who will score a PPG, but would I bet my house on it? F**K no. Hahahaha.
 
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This really highlights the impact of 1st PP time on points. No need to change the PP, just an observation.
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He honesty hasn't been the same since Reaves was put on the top line against Minnesota.

Not an excuse just an observation. Maybe Gallant should stop making dumb decisions when it comes to young kids' confidence
 
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Hasn't been noticeable the past few games after a good couple of weeks.
I'd really love to know if (and how) he's being challenged to improve himself in order to start imposing himself on games
 
I saw a stat before this game that he was #2 (by a goal) in the last two seasons behind Kreider in even strength goals. I know some of those goals aren't up to the standards of the critics on HF because he didn't deke the entire team out but if he had Strome's PP time his numbers would be a lot better and while still mildly below where we thought they'd be it would be a lot better.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I saw a stat before this game that he was #2 (by a goal) in the last two seasons behind Kreider in even strength goals. I know some of those goals aren't up to the standards of the critics on HF because he didn't deke the entire team out but if he had Strome's PP time his numbers would be a lot better and while still mildly below where we thought they'd be it would be a lot better.
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And he would still be producing at a mid-level 3rd line rate while shooting over 20% at 5v5. Why do you guys care so much about how many points he would have if he was hypothetically on PP1? (BTW it wouldn't be that many because where he would play isn't conducive to scoring many points with the way the PP is setup). His point totals are almost irrelevant, he barely creates any offense at all where you can see the process that would lead to results in the future with some better luck or whatever. That's the problem.
 
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McRanger92 said:
The kid is fine. Being trusted to play top line minutes at age 20 for a winning team and I’m supposed to think it’s some kind of problem?
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"Entrusted..." Lol.

More like, who else are we going to put there? Either him or a traffic cone, so I guess he's the obvious choice. This team is so devoid of depth and chemistry that we're going to be shifting lines well into the playoffs. Can't put Laf anywhere else because we have to at least try to balance lines.
 
McRanger92 said:
The kid is fine. Being trusted to play top line minutes at age 20 for a winning team and I’m supposed to think it’s some kind of problem?
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He's on the top line not just of a winning team, but one of the BEST teams in the league. This season is winding down and the Rangers are 6th in P%. If at the start of the season you would have predicted the Rangers were in 6th, many would of have guessed "Division" most would have guessed "Conference" and a few delusional f***ers would have said "League."

At this point in his career Laf is a small fish in a very big and deep pond, most top picks are the reverse so comparisons are of limited and dubious value.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I saw a stat before this game that he was #2 (by a goal) in the last two seasons behind Kreider in even strength goals. I know some of those goals aren't up to the standards of the critics on HF because he didn't deke the entire team out but if he had Strome's PP time his numbers would be a lot better and while still mildly below where we thought they'd be it would be a lot better.
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We would complain about Draisaitl. Saying he needs to be more like McDavid.

They achieve similar production in different ways.
 
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Suddenly his production doesn’t matter when his EV goal scoring is shown to be best on the team for his NHL career. Hahaha. So predictable. People are emotionally invested in being “correct” about him busting/sucking.
McRanger is correct: kid is fine. I’d say he is going to be an excellent player.
Yeah, I know Zegras makes flashy plays. I’d love to see him on this team as well. Let’s see where these two players stand when they are 22.
 
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bhamill said:
Suddenly his production doesn’t matter when his EV goal scoring is shown to be best on the team for his NHL career. Hahaha. So predictable. People are emotionally invested in being “correct” about him busting/sucking.
McRanger is correct: kid is fine. I’d say he is going to be an excellent player.
Yeah, I know Zegras makes flashy plays. I’d love to see him on this team as well. Let’s see where these two players stand when they are 22.
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Zegras is outstanding but a 20 year old player with his style on the Rangers would be a disaster. Do you think Gallant's Cup contender would tolerate Zegras' defensive lapses? No f***ing chance - he'd be glued to the press box or random 3d and 4th line ice time.

This harsh NHL reality is what gave rise to the simplistic loser meme that the Rangers are turning Laf into a grinder when the truth is that the only way 20 year olds get ice time on a contender is if they are not a defensive liability. Period and full f***ing stop. I give mega credit to Laf, Kakko and Chytil as well as Miller and Schneider to have successfully dealt with this reality first and then try and find their pro game. Incidentally, this is also what's also keeping my boy Zac Jones out of the line-up. On a non-contender he would definitely be up with the big club and putting up points while building an impressive war chest of minuses. But contending teams don't have that luxury so he's stuck in Hartford while Nemeth plays ever night.

It's a difficult position for the players and fans but you have to deal with reality and not your wants. Just ask Kravstov.
 
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Black Tank said:
Zegras is outstanding but a 20 year old player with his style on the Rangers would be a disaster. Do you think Gallant's Cup contender would tolerate Zegras' defensive lapses? No f***ing chance - he'd be glued to the press box or random 3d and 4th line ice time.

This harsh NHL reality is what gave rise to the simplistic loser meme that the Rangers are turning Laf into a grinder when the truth is that the only way 20 year olds get ice time on a contender is if they are not a defensive liability. Period and full f***ing stop. I give mega credit to Laf, Kakko and Chytil as well as Miller and Schneider to have successfully dealt with this reality first and then try and find their pro game. Incidentally, this is also what's also keeping my boy Zac Jones out of the line-up. On a non-contender he would definitely be up with the big club and putting up points while building an impressive war chest of minuses. But contending teams don't have that luxury so he's stuck in Hartford while Nemeth plays ever night.

It's a difficult position for the players and fans but you have to deal with reality and not your wants. Just ask Kravstov.
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Yet our defense is nothing special.
 
rangersfansince08 said:
Remember when we made fun of Montreal Fans for suggesting Caufield for Laf could be a trade?
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Oh, it could be a trade... a bad one for NYR IMO. Caufield is a one dimensional goal scorer. He has fewer goals than Laf. He could turn into a 30-35 goal scorer with some luck, and a lot of PP time, which a goal scoring player will get as they mature, but that's all you're going to get. IMO Laf will give you about as many goals and a whole lot more. But it remains to be seen. I found it just as ridiculous to see this board calling Cole a bust as I do seeing them call Laf one. It's nuts. Hahaha.
I'm betting the ONLY GM in this league that would make that trade is Montreal's...
 
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