Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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How much more can he realistically get going. He's among the leaders on the team in EV points. He's there with Zibanejad, Kreider, Trocheck...

If he were stapled to PP1 he'd be a team leader in points. Take Trocheck off PP1. It's really simple. Trocheck has LESS EV points than Lafreniere.
not a good idea.

first off if you're going to make this argument the guy that should be taken off the PP1 is bread, not trocheck. trocheck is second on the team with 7 PPG's. bread only has 2.

okay, let's say you take off trocheck off the PP1. do you honestly think laff can match trocheck's 7 goals based on laff's play? his shooting accuracy is down to 7.9% this season.
 
not a good idea.

first off if you're going to make this argument the guy that should be taken off the PP1 is bread, not trocheck. trocheck is second on the team with 7 PPG's. bread only has 2.

okay, let's say you take off trocheck off the PP1. do you honestly think laff can match trocheck's 7 goals based on laff's play? his shooting accuracy is down to 7.9% this season.
Yes
 
That doesn’t change the fact that laf can’t continue to grow?
Of course he can, and he will (how much is debatable), but he needs to be handled like a normal prospect. He's not worthy of being forcefed minutes because he was a 1OA, for example.

How much more can he realistically get going. He's among the leaders on the team in EV points. He's there with Zibanejad, Kreider, Trocheck...

If he were stapled to PP1 he'd be a team leader in points. Take Trocheck off PP1. It's really simple. Trocheck has LESS EV points than Lafreniere.

If they go this route, and I've made a case for it in another thread a few weeks ago now, Kakko and Chytil both slot above Lafreniere. They have both earned it and are better players.
 
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The skill level is fine. In fact, it's extremely high level among individuals. But yeah, they have an inflated view of themselves.

It is the "we're going to skill our way to victory" mindset that's holding this club back. When everyone is thinking two steps ahead about skilling an offensive play, they stop thinking about the moment at hand and what needs to get done.
they have potential to be skilled. When we can't complete passes or a hit the net, I beg to differ on their current skill level.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as if no one is putting in the work.
 
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they have potential to be skilled. When we can't complete passes or a hit the net, I beg to differ on their current skill level.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as if no one is putting in the work
i don't think you're wrong.... i'm left wondering the same things game after game.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the mindset of the Rangers top players

How can it be possible they miss the net this much? shoot wide, pass up on shots to score in order to pass to a teammate who's not even open... hesitate to shoot, to allow the opponent to to anticipate the shot...

Are they actually being coached to play this way?
 
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Yeah. I wish the Quinn years were more about rolling with the kids through thick and thin and enduring a shittier record. But for some reason we got basically the usual rangers vet-heavy minutes allocation. That's on the front office if you ask me. I appreciate 'earn it' and 'defensive responsibility'. But there had to be a happy medium, which the rangers totally miss.
Quinn was an ass from day 1. One thing i was afraid of was bringing in a non nhl coach. He didn't even want to come here, so what does that tell you? Benching guys from the first few games, riding vets, etc.

The Rangers org. comes off as if they resigned themselves to a "rebuild" because that's what NHL teams do...

But we know better. The Rangers mgmt. is always smarter than everyone else.
 
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Along with the delicious crow will be a big side of “you’re welcome” for constructively criticizing him to improve rather than coddling him because he’s a 1OA.
What kind of dumb shit post is this?

You think Laf is on these boards taking pointers from a bunch of irrelevants?
 
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I think a lot of Lafreniere's issues are in his head. I see a kid who is content to be part of the group and a role player on the team instead of a kid who wants to be THE guy at all times.

Ice time limitations aside, he seems like he's just too content being a role player and he never really seems like he's trying to do anything at all other than make the simplest play possible. I want a kid who even in his limited minutes is always trying to make things happen, Lafreniere isn't there.

He also doesn't seem to have great conditioning and his skating hasn't improved at all since being in the NHL. I know nothing about his work ethic but things like that make me think he might not be putting in the work off the ice to the level he needs to be.
 
i don't think you're wrong.... i'm left wondering the same things game after game.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the mindset of the Rangers top players

How can it be possible they miss the net this much? shoot wide, pass up on shots to score in order to pass to a teammate who's not even open... hesitate to shoot, to allow the opponent to to anticipate the shot...

Are they actually being coached to play this way?
I believe it was Strome who stated that they play the way they want to play -- it was the problem they had with DQ and I think it's happening with GG as well.

The Rangers have an enormous amount of individual talent -- but they've either never learned or refuse to play as a TEAM. Their fundamentals stink as well.
 
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What kind of dumb shit post is this?

You think Laf is on these boards taking pointers from a bunch of irrelevants?
Of course not. Did you miss the Athletic article? Pretty sure he’s probably heard about that one, and I’d bet the folks writing these kinds of articles are gauging fan sentiment and ideas as part of writing their articles.

Right Larry? Whoever you’re posing as!
 
i don't think you're wrong.... i'm left wondering the same things game after game.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the mindset of the Rangers top players

How can it be possible they miss the net this much? shoot wide, pass up on shots to score in order to pass to a teammate who's not even open... hesitate to shoot, to allow the opponent to to anticipate the shot...

Are they actually being coached to play this way?
If we're going to look way too far deep into it, if our 'top guys' were working on their shots, they'd have the confidence to shoot more often than pass up golden opportunities in my humble, expert opinion

Mika has scored on his one-timer this season but it's no where near the elites nor what he's shown us before IMO. The elites work on it, it's not just some natural ability that's not refined.

When people talk about the country club atmosphere, this is a part of it. Do the minimum amount of work allotted.
 
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We have the most impatient fanbase I have ever encountered. In 3 years when the core of the team has shifted to Fox/Miller/Schneider/Chytil/Laf/Kakko we will look back at scratches like this the same way we do with Kreider, Buch, JT, etc.

The problem is that Kakko and Laf were supposed to be more than Kreider and Buch. Those players as your best forwards aren't really winning you a Cup as we have seen. They were supposed to be MacKinnon level instant star forwards who were capable of 80-90-100 point seasons repeatedly.

You say the Rangers are "invested" in doing it this way and that when Kreider (who isn't good enough) and company are gone then the kids will take lead roles and that's how the team has done it. That hasn't worked, though. That approach yields you Kreiders and Stepans and a defense-heavy approach that relies on a goaltender to steal you playoff rounds, but a team built that way is GENERALLY inferior (not absolutely, but generally) to a team built with elite star forwards, and that's why the elite forwards win all the Cups.

The problem is that the solutions I endorse to this problem have now mostly gone by the wayside accompanied by the false claims of "Well you can't do x because reasons." You can't trade Kreider. You can't get a better return than a 4th line scrub for Buch. You can't demote vets to give kids more development minutes. Can't, can't, can't.

All false.

What that means is "won't, won't, won't," not can't.

And this team won't, won't, won't win any Cups this way like it hasn't for 100 years.

Other than that one in 1994.

The team's approach is wrong. It's never to late to change, but the apple cart of what "can" and "can't" be done is going to have be overturned. You're gonna have to offend a few veterans. You're going to have to get unconventional. The team is probably going to have to get creative, probably get back into the lottery once or twice at some point whether via tank or trade, and find another high end forward or two, preferably centers. They still need their MacKinnon because I think we've already seen the best of Mika Zibanejad and Artemi Panarin.
 
Seemingly correct, which makes me agree. I think he's got a happy-go-lucky vibe. Just seems bubbly and happy all the while no matter what's happening on the ice. Need to have some seriousness and snarl. With Chytil or Kakko, at least you know he's unhappy with himself after a bad play or game.
In some ways Gauthier shows that happy go lucky attitude as well .
 
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The problem is that Kakko and Laf were supposed to be more than Kreider and Buch. Those players as your best forwards aren't really winning you a Cup as we have seen. They were supposed to be MacKinnon level instant star forwards who were capable of 80-90-100 point seasons repeatedly.

You say the Rangers are "invested" in doing it this way and that when Kreider (who isn't good enough) and company are gone then the kids will take lead roles and that's how the team has done it. That hasn't worked, though. That approach yields you Kreiders and Stepans and a defense-heavy approach that relies on a goaltender to steal you playoff rounds, but a team built that way is GENERALLY inferior (not absolutely, but generally) to a team built with elite star forwards, and that's why the elite forwards win all the Cups.

The problem is that the solutions I endorse to this problem have now mostly gone by the wayside accompanied by the false claims of "Well you can't do x because reasons." You can't trade Kreider. You can't get a better return than a 4th line scrub for Buch. You can't demote vets to give kids more development minutes. Can't, can't, can't.

All false.

What that means is "won't, won't, won't," not can't.

And this team won't, won't, won't win any Cups this way like it hasn't for 100 years.

Other than that one in 1994.

The team's approach is wrong. It's never to late to change, but the apple cart of what "can" and "can't" be done is going to have be overturned. You're gonna have to offend a few veterans. You're going to have to get unconventional. The team is probably going to have to get creative, probably get back into the lottery once or twice at some point whether via tank or trade, and find another high end forward or two, preferably centers. They still need their MacKinnon because I think we've already seen the best of Mika Zibanejad and Artemi Panarin.
Unfortunately, the "changes" needed won't even be considered as long as Dolan owns the team. The organization needs an overhaul from top to bottom.
 
Thompson was 26OA. Expectations were different. He also got traded, got shuffled around the AHL, etc. A lot of stuff happened to this guy which put him squarely in the bracket of having to dig deep and earn his way. Where’s the motivation coming from for a 1OA who was supposed to be special day 1? Until the 1 game benching, the biggest adversity he’s faced is being dropped from top 6 to bottom 6. The horror.
Expectations have zero effect on how good a player will become, just on our patience. Mine included. Yes I want him having 60 point seasons at this stage, but the fact that he hasn’t doesn’t mean he won’t still be the exact same FINISHED PRODUCT. Draft position means zero Outside of our expectations and the chances a player will get in the league.
 
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One, I think it's literally his body needs to catch up. Literal physical growth.

Two, I think he needs to get a little more serious when going about himself.


Maybe, but a lot of us said that about Chytil as well. Processing speed can improve.

Chytil's hockey IQ won't improve, but he honed his game to become straight-line to suit his traits. He goes fast in straight lines, he doesn't think a whole lot when getting the puck, just put it on net, and just make himself open and available to receive chances.
The first two lines are, IMO, the entire deal with Lafreniere. He’s not dumb, he’s not lazy. He’s got to physically finish growing up, which he has no control over, and get more serious about becoming an elite professional athlete. I think it came so easy for him in juniors his idea of hard work was underdeveloped, it’s not laziness but he has to learn that next level of preparation. That is more a matter of MENTALLY growing up. But growing up is it in a nutshell.
 
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Thompson was 26OA. Expectations were different. He also got traded, got shuffled around the AHL, etc. A lot of stuff happened to this guy which put him squarely in the bracket of having to dig deep and earn his way. Where’s the motivation coming from for a 1OA who was supposed to be special day 1? Until the 1 game benching, the biggest adversity he’s faced is being dropped from top 6 to bottom 6. The horror.
I guarantee you he didn't just 'all of a sudden' become good. A lot of consistent hard work went into it. From skills to conditioning.

I don't know why this org creates such a marshmallow environment
 
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I guarantee you he didn't just 'all of a sudden' become good. A lot of consistent hard work went into it. From skills to conditioning.

I don't know why this org creates such a marshmallow environment
 
they have potential to be skilled. When we can't complete passes or a hit the net, I beg to differ on their current skill level.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as if no one is putting in the work.
Micheletti spent 5 minutes last night talking about Kreider and Zib staying on the ice after practice working on stuff. Vince is constantly posting photos of panarin and Kravtsov working together on the ice after practice. You’re down on the team, we get it but there’s no need to just make shit up.

The first two lines are, IMO, the entire deal with Lafreniere. He’s not dumb, he’s not lazy. He’s got to physically finish growing up, which he has no control over, and get more serious about becoming an elite professional athlete. I think it came so easy for him in juniors his idea of hard work was underdeveloped, it’s not laziness but he has to learn that next level of preparation. That is more a matter of MENTALLY growing up. But growing up is it in a nutshell.
He needs to figure out how to play RW. He’ll get more opportunities in the top 6 and much better shot angles.
 
Micheletti spent 5 minutes last night talking about Kreider and Zib staying on the ice after practice working on stuff. Vince is constantly posting photos of panarin and Kravtsov working together on the ice after practice. You’re down on the team, we get it but there’s no need to just make shit up.
That's like going to the gym to take pictures

proof is in the pudding.

Kravtsov and Panarin shot some pucks once.. cool. Kravtsov shooting a puck from a position he'll never be in. He should be in the weight room. IMO it becomes obvious who the hard workers are... What did Kreider and Mika work on? Their high5's? I see nothing from them to say 'they worked on things'. Kreider was an absolute machine last season deflecting pucks. It was evident he worked on it.
 
That's like going to the gym to take pictures

proof is in the pudding.

Kravtsov and Panarin shot some pucks once.. cool. Kravtsov shooting a puck from a position he'll never be in. He should be in the weight room. IMO it becomes obvious who the hard workers are... What did Kreider and Mika work on? Their high5's? I see nothing from them to say 'they worked on things'. Kreider was an absolute machine last season deflecting pucks. It was evident he worked on it.
It’s evident you’re salty and just making things up. Last night you posted some BS in the post game thread about Tampa out chancing the rangers 2-1 or something and that was BS too
 
It’s evident you’re salty and just making things up. Last night you posted some BS in the post game thread about Tampa out chancing the rangers 2-1 or something and that was BS too
LOL

Using naturalstattrick #'s is 'making up BS'. I'm detached from the team and being objective.

I'm the salty one making up things?
 
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