Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part III

[Synergy27]

wat

Yeah, I think we’re gonna need a little more on that one fella. WTF is “artificial development”?

 

[ONEDEMATHA]

artificial development - put Laffy in the ideal situations for Laffy (at the expense of the greater good of the team) so that Laffy's production gets artificially inflated so that Rangers fans get to boast on the main boards and on twitter that we took the right player.

actual development - build on Laffy's toolbox so that he can make himself and those around him better and thus will grow into being a key contributor on the team.

If you are chasing transformative excellence, it's the latter all day.

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, I think we’re gonna need a little more on that one fella. WTF is “artificial development”?

One of my favorite TV shows.

 

[mike14]

artificial development - put Laffy in the ideal situations for Laffy (at the expense of the greater good of the team) so that Laffy's production gets artificially inflated so that Rangers fans get to boast on the main boards and on twitter that we took the right player.

actual development - build on Laffy's toolbox so that he can make himself and those around him better and thus will grow into being a key contributor on the team.

If you are chasing transformative excellence, it's the latter all day.

What do you call it if we put Laf's immediate development before the good of the team but it helps build his toolbox so that it's better for the long term good of the team?

I'm not 100% sure binary descriptions are that useful in player development...

 

[Synergy27]

What do you call it if we put Laf's immediate development before the good of the team but it helps build his toolbox so that it's better for the long term good of the team?

I'm not 100% sure binary descriptions are that useful in player development...

I call that “what last year was supposed to be about”. We wasted last year on Colin Blackwell’s development instead.

 

[ONEDEMATHA]

What do you call it if we put Laf's immediate development before the good of the team but it helps build his toolbox so that it's better for the long term good of the team?

I'm not 100% sure binary descriptions are that useful in player development...

Go into the room and explain that to the fellas. Good luck.

 

[mas0764]

What do you call it if we put Laf's immediate development before the good of the team but it helps build his toolbox so that it's better for the long term good of the team?

Smart team management?

 

[Thirty One]

I call that “what last year was supposed to be about”. We wasted last year on Colin Blackwell’s development instead.

Blackwell developed because the Rangers have him 14:00 of ice time per game. Lafreniere sputtered because he was only given 13:53 per game. Dammit, Rangers, you were so close!

 

[mas0764]

Go into the room and explain that to the fellas. Good luck.

Challenge accepted:

"Hey guys, this here is Alexis, he's more talented than most of you combined and if you ever want to win a Cup it's going to be with this guy succeeding and playing major minutes. We're playing him with Mika or Ryan over you, Barclay, since it's best for his development, and since you are getting paid $3.6 million each year to be a third line plugger for the next 6 years and you were happy to sign that contract not 6 months ago. Dryden, you are scratched tonite. We cool? Good. Hit the ice."

 

[duhmetreE]

There's no reason for him not to be in the top6.

Just put him in the top6. Not for a period or a shift or two..... for the rest of the season.

It's really not asking much. This is common sense, logical, philosophical and spiritual. It makes sense in every area

Laffy. Top6. Now. and Later.

 

[mike14]

Go into the room and explain that to the fellas. Good luck.

I mean it'd probably go over as well as explaining artificial vs actual development to the room, but I wouldn't explain either so I don't quite get why you mentioned it.

My point (again) is that there's not binary developmental curves...

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Challenge accepted:

"Hey guys, this here is Alexis, he's more talented than most of you combined and if you ever want to win a Cup it's going to be with this guy succeeding and playing major minutes. We're playing him with Mika or Ryan over you, Barclay, since it's best for his development, and since you are getting paid $3.6 million each year to be a third line plugger for the next 6 years and you were happy to sign that contract not 6 months ago. Dryden, you are scratched tonite. We cool? Good. Hit the ice."

Dude....

 

[tomobson]

There's no reason for him not to be in the top6.

Just put him in the top6. Not for a period or a shift or two..... for the rest of the season.

It's really not asking much. This is common sense, logical, philosophical and spiritual. It makes sense in every area

Laffy. Top6. Now. and Later.

Sounds like a political campaign slogan.

 

[McRanger92]

There's no reason for him not to be in the top6.

Just put him in the top6. Not for a period or a shift or two..... for the rest of the season.

It's really not asking much. This is common sense, logical, philosophical and spiritual. It makes sense in every area

Laffy. Top6. Now. and Later.

The Rangers don't trust Laf enough right now to play him top 6 minutes, and thats OK. I think in an ideal world they wouldnt have Kakko playing top line either. I dont think its much deeper than that.

Gallant didnt want to play Laf in a tight game late, but still showed enough faith in him to send him out for the shootout, in a must have situation mind you, and he delivered. Clearly they like the player, but the best thing for him and the team right now is to not put too much pressure on him, hence why we are hearing top 6 forward rumors every day.

Experiencing the stretch and playoff run with this team, but not necessarily being the one of the go-to guys, is mutually beneficial to both the player and the goal of winning games.

 

[TominNC]

Challenge accepted:

"Hey guys, this here is Alexis, he's more talented than most of you combined and if you ever want to win a Cup it's going to be with this guy succeeding and playing major minutes. We're playing him with Mika or Ryan over you, Barclay, since it's best for his development, and since you are getting paid $3.6 million each year to be a third line plugger for the next 6 years and you were happy to sign that contract not 6 months ago. Dryden, you are scratched tonite. We cool? Good. Hit the ice."

Except he can't/doesn't like to play RW and he's NOT better than our first two LW so how does he play with Mika or Ryan without messing with our top two scorers. Explain that to the room.

 

[mike14]

Still can't work out whether 'explain that to the room' is a weird hockey expression, or whether people actually think the team sits down and has an indepth discussion around roster selection and lines prior to each game...

"We want to make sure Laf stays connected to his future self so we're going to play him on the 3rd line tonight. Make sure you read up on Parfit before the game..."

 

[Crease]

Still can't work out whether 'explain that to the room' is a weird hockey expression, or whether people actually think the team sits down and has an indepth discussion around roster selection and lines prior to each game...

"We want to make sure Laf stays connected to his future self so we're going to play him on the 3rd line tonight. Make sure you read up on Parfit before the game..."

“It’s not about the ego boys, it’s about the id.”

 

[BroadwayStorm]

You guys think his development is stunted but it's not. He will explode when he figures it out. He has added more tools to his game that he previously lacked. He is going to develop slower due to the shorter ice time. I wish he got PP time at the point instead of hashmarks and inside. I feel that was a strength of his in juniors but they probably think he's not defensively there yet to trust him.

 

[duhmetreE]

The Rangers don't trust Laf enough right now to play him top 6 minutes, and thats OK. I think in an ideal world they wouldnt have Kakko playing top line either. I dont think its much deeper than that.

Gallant didnt want to play Laf in a tight game late, but still showed enough faith in him to send him out for the shootout, in a must have situation mind you, and he delivered. Clearly they like the player, but the best thing for him and the team right now is to not put too much pressure on him, hence why we are hearing top 6 forward rumors every day.

Experiencing the stretch and playoff run with this team, but not necessarily being the one of the go-to guys, is mutually beneficial to both the player and the goal of winning games.

I don't believe that because the same would be said for Gauthier.

He always just gets the shit end of the stick.... for whatever reason. He has not been a liability. I think he's been strong on the forecheck and coming back. He's been engaged. He's beginning to show signs of life... but then he gets thrown in the basement.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't believe that because the same would be said for Gauthier.

He always just gets the shit end of the stick.... for whatever reason. He has not been a liability. I think he's been strong on the forecheck and coming back. He's been engaged. He's beginning to show signs of life... but then he gets thrown in the basement.

I dont think thats true. Gauthier has been a healthy scratch at multiple points this year. Thats seemingly never been on the table for Laf. I dont disagree that sometimes he gets lost on the bench at the end of games, but that isnt crazy considering he's 20 and the Rangers are prioritizing winning.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't think the organization puts enough pressure on Kakko and Laf. They treat them like any other prospect. Put your head down, dump and chase, backcheck, and don't break anything. There's some merit to that approach, but I wonder if they've unintentionally convinced these kids they're nothing special. That or they just suck LOL.

One of the concerns that was raised by people in and close to the org, is that they treat these kids as assets, and often forget to treat them as prospects. They just don't have the experience in house to properly handle these kids at that age. And yes, it's a huge difference coming into the org at age 18 compared to coming into the org at age 20 or older.

This team had 5 consecutive 1st round picks, including 4 in the top-10, who they signed as teenagers and they have nothing to show for it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Im not sure what Gallant has against Laf Strome Goodrow, thought they played well together and Panarin Zib and Kreider was real good...i dunno

 

[aufheben]

I can’t think of anything the Rangers haven’t tried other than straight up sending them to the AHL.

The team rolled out the red carpet for both of them to be immediate impact players. Like neither of them had to do jackshit beforehand.

Up and down the lineup, this wing and that wing, this center and that center, this coach and that coach, this GM and that GM, on and on and on…

 

[effen]

What do you call it if we put Laf's immediate development before the good of the team but it helps build his toolbox so that it's better for the long term good of the team?

I'm not 100% sure binary descriptions are that useful in player development...

I think its called "Be a GM Mode" but its been a few years since I picked up an EA title.

 

[McRanger92]

One of the concerns that was raised by people in and close to the org, is that they treat these kids as assets, and often forget to treat them as prospects. They just don't have the experience in house to properly handle these kids at that age. And yes, it's a huge difference coming into the org at age 18 compared to coming into the org at age 20 or older.

This team had 5 consecutive 1st round picks, including 4 in the top-10, who they signed as teenagers and they have nothing to show for it.

This problem is seemingly limited to forwards, because they've developed their goalies and defenseman during this rebuild extremely well imo.