Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part III

[duhmetreE]

In his draft class, he ranks 5th in 5v5 P/60 behind Seth Jarvis, Anton Lundell, Lucas Raymond and Dawson Mercer.

so behind the good kids

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't know how you people can watch this guy game after game and think that a couple more minutes a game would drastically alter his performance. Incredible.

Because his best games where when he had 15+ minutes?

 

[SA16]

This stats is misleading. Getting confidence at 5v4 adds a dimension to most players games and the additional time with the puck in space helps

How does a lack of success at 5v4 lead to confidence?

He had one point at 5v4 in his first 12 games. The Red Wings have the 3rd worst GF60 in the league at 5v4.

 

[will1066]

He's not going, he's riding coat tails.

Disagree. He's making things happen for Panarin and Strome. Playing with them, you need to excel at causing turnovers off the opposition breakout as well as retrieving pucks and to a lesser extent causing havoc in front of the net. Chytil is doing this just like Kakko did with them. Panarin and Strome generate most of their offense off the transition and the rush from turnovers.

 

[tomobson]

He's not going, he's riding coat tails.

I'm a Chytil fan but I'm all for Laf taking that spot. He's more important for the team to get going than Chytil. Much like Goodrow, Chytil came in and filled in nicely in the top six but he's more important to the current team composition right now as a third liner than he is as 2RW. I think Chytil/Goodrow can be a good duo.

 

[SA16]

In his draft class, he ranks 5th in 5v5 P/60 behind Seth Jarvis, Anton Lundell, Lucas Raymond and Dawson Mercer.

He also ranks 1st in his draft class in letters in his name* among 1st rounders who have played in the NHL so far. Just slightly edging out Hendrix Lapierre and Braden Schneider.

*Using named as spelled on HockeyDB.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Disagree. He's making things happen for Panarin and Strome. Playing with them, you need to excel at causing turnovers off the opposition breakout as well as retrieving pucks and to a lesser extent causing havoc in front of the net. Chytil is doing this just like Kakko did with them. Panarin and Strome generate most of their offense off the transition and the rush from turnovers.

Dont see it that way, and the coach doesn't either.

 

[jay from jersey]

hate it.

Why move Chytil when he's finally going? What has Hunt done in the past 2 months? Turk says he makes the 'obvious' moves but he really doesn't.

Why the f*** would he put Hunt back on 2nd line. This is nuts.
Unless panarin and strome are lobbying for him...

 

[CLW]

Why the f*** would he put Hunt back on 2nd line. This is nuts.
Unless panarin and strome are lobbying for him...

Dropping Chytil has more to do with the lack of defense on that line imo. Also Turks seems to go with seniority over youth when given the choice.

 

[jay from jersey]

Dropping Chytil has more to do with the lack of defense on that line imo. Also Turks seems to go with seniority over youth when given the choice.

I’m guessing he also wants to see if chytil s strong play will carry over if moved back in the middle.
I’d still rather see more of LaF then Hunt though.
Hunt should go back to 4th line

 

[RagFinMet]

When laf was handed(not earned) a spot on the top line in the beginning of the year he was terrible
Some made excuses "well he doesn't want to own the puck and keeps giving it to mika"
So the change was made which was the right thing to do
Now its "well he's not getting enough minutes or his linemates suck"
U cant make both arguments
Stop coming up with excuses
He hasnt worked on any line
He's just not that good
Now of course he will improve over time. But he is not going to be a star
Adjust your expectations

 

[bl02]

I’m guessing he also wants to see if chytil s strong play will carry over if moved back in the middle.
I’d still rather see more of LaF then Hunt though.
Hunt should go back to 4th line

Hunt should absolutely be on the 4th line but I'm guessing Gauthier gets benched and Kegger gets more time with the club keeping the 4th line from last night together? Like I said we are gonna have to live with Nemeth and Kegger playing quite a few games especially the former. The coach likes these guys.

 

[Kocur26]

They love mckegg’s hustle and the fact that he draws penalties

 

[CLW]

Hunt should absolutely be on the 4th line but I'm guessing Gauthier gets benched and Kegger gets more time with the club keeping the 4th line from last night together? Like I said we are gonna have to live with Nemeth and Kegger playing quite a few games especially the former. The coach likes these guys.

Kegger and Nemeth seem to be good guys for the room and morale. Turk puts a great emphasis on morale clearly.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

hate it.

Why move Chytil when he's finally going? What has Hunt done in the past 2 months? Turk says he makes the 'obvious' moves but he really doesn't.

Yeah... I wouldve stuck with Chytil on the second line

 

[CasusBelli]

I don't know how you people can watch this guy game after game and think that a couple more minutes a game would drastically alter his performance. Incredible.

Increasingly leaning toward selling. Unrealized potential is his only source of value at the moment. Increasingly skeptical that he’ll bloom. Very replaceable third liner on most teams; a fourth liner on a contender.

 

[mas0764]

In his draft class, he ranks 5th in 5v5 P/60 behind Seth Jarvis, Anton Lundell, Lucas Raymond and Dawson Mercer.

Slightly disappointing considering Jarvis and Lundell also play for very good teams.

God I wish we had managed to trade up for Lundell instead of Schneider.

 

[Bob Richards]

I don't know how you people can watch this guy game after game and think that a couple more minutes a game would drastically alter his performance. Incredible.

I feel like his ice time shouldn’t preclude him for registering more than 12 assists in nearly 100 career games.

 

[EdJovanovski]

When laf was handed(not earned) a spot on the top line in the beginning of the year he was terrible
Some made excuses "well he doesn't want to own the puck and keeps giving it to mika"
So the change was made which was the right thing to do
Now its "well he's not getting enough minutes or his linemates suck"
U cant make both arguments
Stop coming up with excuses
He hasnt worked on any line
He's just not that good
Now of course he will improve over time. But he is not going to be a star
Adjust your expectations

And same goes for Kakko

 

[SA16]

I feel like his ice time shouldn’t preclude him for registering more than 12 assists in nearly 100 career games.

It's a nonsense argument.

NHL Stats

35 players have got his ice time or less since last year (50+ GP) and have more than 12 assists. And since it'll come up yes he has the 2nd most goals with one of the highest sh%.

 

[Harbour Dog]

It's a nonsense argument.

NHL Stats

35 players have got his ice time or less since last year (50+ GP) and have more than 12 assists. And since it'll come up yes he has the 2nd most goals with one of the highest sh%.

What is the approximate average shooting percentage for the league?

Wondering, since the Rangers only shoot 7.9% with Lafreniere on the ice. That seems like it should have an overall negative impact on his assist rates.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What is the approximate average shooting percentage for the league?

Wondering, since the Rangers only shoot 7.9% with Lafreniere on the ice. That seems like it should have an overall negative impact on his assist rates.

What would be more telling is what his shot assist rates are, so we can see how often he sets his teammates up. I would venture to guess that it's well below average. It would explain why his on-ice sh% is average.

 

[duhmetreE]

What is the approximate average shooting percentage for the league?

Wondering, since the Rangers only shoot 7.9% with Lafreniere on the ice. That seems like it should have an overall negative impact on his assist rates.

around 9%

 

[Harbour Dog]

What would be more telling is what his shot assist rates are, so we can see how often he sets his teammates up. I would venture to guess that it's well below average. It would explain why his on-ice sh% is average.

Wouldn't shot assist rates and on-ice shooting percentage be independent of one another?

I think his on-ice sh% is about 1.2% lower than average, and that's taking into account his very high ind sh%.

If we want to completely ignore that he has put himself in a situation where he is going to have an exaggerated shooting percentage, then he loses 3-4 goals. But by the same adherence to shooting rates, if he is earning an average number of shot assists, then he should probably have like 2-3 extra assists.

And that isn't looking at his expected power play points. So maybe another 1-2 assists there, if we looked that up.

I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that his numbers are more than he deserves. For his play, he's putting up about what he should. Unless I'm missing something else.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Wouldn't shot assist rates and on-ice shooting percentage be independent of one another?

I think his on-ice sh% is about 1.2% lower than average, and that's taking into account his very high ind sh%.

If we want to completely ignore that he has put himself in a situation where he is going to have an exaggerated shooting percentage, then he loses 3-4 goals. But by the same adherence to shooting rates, if he is earning an average number of shot assists, then he should probably have like 2-3 extra assists.

And that isn't looking at his expected power play points. So maybe another 1-2 assists there, if we looked that up.

I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that his numbers are more than he deserves. For his play, he's putting up about what he should. Unless I'm missing something else.

You're barking up the wrong tree, I've made this point often in this thread.

He's played most of the season with Chytil and Gauthier FFS, go ahead and find me worse finishers relative to their chances this season.