Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

[Paulie Walnutz]

What do you expect when this organization has Jed Ortmeyer and Tanner Glass as development coaches?

 

[Savant]

He needs to go to Hartford. Immediately.

 

[The S5]

IDK, but I have not seen anything in this kids game that makes me think he will standout.
He's really not big enough to be a power forward. His hands are okay, but not elite. His motor is questionable. If I were his agent, I would find the best speed/strength coach and put him on retainer.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

He needs to go to Hartford. Immediately.

Both him and Kakko. I know JD and the straight idiots want the playoffs but for the better of this team we cannot ruin these guys.

Bring up Gettinger, play Gauthier and try to save these kids.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Alexis Lafreniere is giving me Alexandre Daigle vibes

 

[effen]

What do you expect when this organization has Jed Ortmeyer and Tanner Glass as development coaches?

this makes no sense. teachers of every stripe can't do what they teach.

more nebulous its the coaching/structure/org boogeyman keeping these poor helpless adult men from not sucking at their job. like somehow Laf and Kakko are getting the skill coached out of them and made to play defense (horror), while Mika, uh..... doesn't, hasn't, and won't. Because, uh, reasons.

 

[Crease]

Alexis Lafreniere is giving me Alexandre Daigle vibes

Derek Stepan vibes for me.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Derek Stepan vibes for me.

That would be great, Stepan was a legit number 1 center, even if it was low-end. Right now it's questionable whether Lafreniere will even get to that level.

 

[Unusual Suspect]

Derek Stepan scored a hat trick in his first game and was always responsible defensively.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Alexis Lafreniere is giving me Alexandre Daigle vibes

Daigle got 51pts his rookie year and paced for 65pts in his second
Lafreniere is on pace to be the worst 1st overall pick of all time

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Welp. I just hope he ain't reading this shit.

 

[ElLeetch]

Derek Stepan vibes for me.

Stepan at least had a hat-trick his first game.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Stepan at least had a hat-trick his first game.

Stepan was noticeable when he was not scoring. Lafy has not been noticeable at all

 

[EdJovanovski]

Welp. I just hope he ain't reading this shit.

I hope he is, if he has that alpha mentality it would piss him off and motivate him to prove everyone wrong. If it upsets him and makes him play worse then frankly he doesn't have the mentality to be a star. I remember in a provincial championship we were down with about 30 seconds left and iced it and my coach was yelling at me to come right off after the draw, it pissed me off and I went coast to coast and scored. I could literally hear him yelling as I carried it in without coming off, he was mad. That infuriated me and is what pushed me to score. The goal got disallowed because they couldn't tell whether it crossed the goal line, I glared back at my coach and he let me stay out there, I won the draw again, deked around a couple guys and scored again to tie the game with 5 seconds left. He needs that EdJovanovski alpha dog mentality!

 

[Entrancemperium]

I want Drury to sit him and Kakko down and show them videos from WJC where Laf dominated and the worlds where Kakko dominated and I want him to ask them:

"Where the F**k are those guys? I thought we drafted them both?! Can you tell me when they show up because those two need to be in the lineup!"

 

[LokiDog]

Alexis Lafreniere is giving me Alexandre Daigle vibes

Daigle scored 88 points in his first 130 NHL games.

 

[will1066]

Shoot Panarin, Strome, and Zibanejad into the sun and the kids will develop. These three do not fit the profiles for long-term sustained success and have robbed them of EV strength development as well as power play time, both important for developing fundamentals of how to play NHL-type hockey and confidence building.

 

[CasusBelli]

Stepan was noticeable when he was not scoring. Lafy has not been noticeable at all

Maybe he meant Patrik Stefan

 

[CasusBelli]

I think this is the first of two rebuilds. This one, unfortunately, is a bust — like the Leafs, Avs and Panthers experienced before landing on Matthews, McKinnon, Barkov and the rest of them. It is what it is. A first overall doesn’t always turn out like Crosby or Ovechkin.

 

[HyperX]

I let out a big ol' puke before coming this way but..

you guys have gotta calm down on Kakko and Lafreniere. Theyre two quiet boys who came from vastly different societies and are barely even what Id call a citizen of NYC, the hallmark eat-em-up-and-spit-them-out city in the world.

Alexis has had noted confidence issues in the past (an interview in juniors where he spoke to adjusting to being on his own) and Kaapo was visibly distraught during the entire pre and post draft process.

Yes theres been time since but they havent been put into positions that Hischier or Hughes have, or Lundell or Knight have, or Raymond or Seider, or Stuetzle or Chabot, so on and so on....

These are elite talent hockey players who, their entire lives, have seen themselves as having one purpose: to be good at hockey and make a living of it. And Now theyre struggling mightily and its not just a game anymore, its their entire livelihood. Im
Sure everyone here has stressed at work and said just once 'what if i lose my job', and that spiral mentally..

I wont get into upsides because Im a Devils fan and no matter what I say itll be considered heresy. But Lafreniere still has top-10 player potential, his game is extremely cerebral and that never works without confidence and mental engagement. And Kaapo is another Pavel Zacha, a long way from home whos father was everything to them and (not to mention) are a bigger bodied forward who takes longer generally.

So as a Devils fan who despises anything NY sports besides the Mets.... nut up (or woman up) and take this in stride and support them; dont make my grandfather, grandmother, and other NYC descendants look bad with these wimpy comments about giving up and guys being busts before they can even legally attend a bar crawl

 

[CasusBelli]

I let out a big ol' puke before coming this way but..

you guys have gotta calm down on Kakko and Lafreniere. Theyre two quiet boys who came from vastly different societies and are barely even what Id call a citizen of NYC, the hallmark eat-em-up-and-spit-them-out city in the world.

Alexis has had noted confidence issues in the past (an interview in juniors where he spoke to adjusting to being on his own) and Kaapo was visibly distraught during the entire pre and post draft process.

Yes theres been time since but they havent been put into positions that Hischier or Hughes have, or Lundell or Knight have, or Raymond or Seider, or Stuetzle or Chabot, so on and so on....

These are elite talent hockey players who, their entire lives, have seen themselves as having one purpose: to be good at hockey and make a living of it. And Now theyre struggling mightily and its not just a game anymore, its their entire livelihood. Im
Sure everyone here has stressed at work and said just once 'what if i lose my job', and that spiral mentally..

I wont get into upsides because Im a Devils fan and no matter what I say itll be considered heresy. But Lafreniere still has top-10 player potential, his game is extremely cerebral and that never works without confidence and mental engagement. And Kaapo is another Pavel Zacha, a long way from home whos father was everything to them and (not to mention) are a bigger bodied forward who takes longer generally.

So as a Devils fan who despises anything NY sports besides the Mets.... nut up (or woman up) and take this in stride and support them; dont make my grandfather, grandmother, and other NYC descendants look bad with these wimpy comments about giving up and guys being busts before they can even legally attend a bar crawl

Thank you for putting aside our teams’ bitter rivalries to provide some outside perspective and encouragement. Really appreciate your candid support.

 

[brakeyawself]

I can't stress this enough. Lafreniere needs a skating coach very badly. He should have had one all summer. He's not very fast, in fact I would say he's at best average to a bit slow. Which CAN work, but NOT if you are also a subpar skater. I am really not sure why this hasn't happened all ready. This is one area where I see the Rangers failing to facilitate a players development properly. And if this is just one instance, I have to wonder where else are they dropping the ball.

 

[brakeyawself]

Thank you for putting aside our teams’ bitter rivalries to provide some outside perspective and encouragement. Really appreciate your candid support.

Kakko sure.

But how different is Quebec? I mean, aside from speaking Quebecois french, it's not like Quebec is SO different than the rest of North America. Montreal certainly isn't. Quebec City a bit more so, but still. And whatever suburb he might from, isn't that different either.

I get that excuse with Kakko. But Laf? Not so much.

 

[DanielBrassard]

How much of a difference can a skating coach make at this point in his career? I find it hard to believe he hasn't been working with one especially when last season he said he knew he had to improve.

There's only so much training can do to overcome genes.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kakko sure.

But how different is Quebec? I mean, aside from speaking Quebecois french, it's not like Quebec is SO different than the rest of North America. Montreal certainly isn't. Quebec City a bit more so, but still. And whatever suburb he might from, isn't that different either.

I get that excuse with Kakko. But Laf? Not so much.

Yea I don't think culture shock of moving from Canada to America should be used as an excuse at all lol. Especially as a kid who's been groomed for this his entire life, he's played tons of tournaments & stuff all over alongside kids from other parts of Canada that are much more Americanized than Quebec.