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Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

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SA16 said:
There is a lot of gain considering without moving one of our LW to RW we have one of the worst RW groups in the league.
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It's one of the best RW groups once Kakko and Kravtsov explode.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Our line-up isn't really a difficult puzzle.

Lafrenière-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow
Blais-Rooney-Gauthier/Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundkvist

Shestyorkin
Georgiev
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Move Goodrow to center, and switch Chytil with Kravstov.

Lafrenière-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Kreider-Goodrow-Krav
Blais-Rooney-Gauthier/Reaves

The Panarin Strome line needs a good North/South guy like Chytil.
 
TheDirtyH said:
I don't get the concern with ruining Lafreniere by converting him to center. Seemingly every scouting report before his draft stated some form of "he plays like a center".

What is the concern with the position? That it's too much responsibility? Ok, but go through that to speculate more precisely whether its actually too much or just more.

What is a centerman responsible for? Supporting defensemen down low. Transitioning the puck in the defensive and neutral zones either by skating or passing. Faceoffs. Facilitating cycles in the offensive zone and coordinating attacks from above the puck.

What in that list is so in contradiction with Lafreniere's strengths? Faceoffs? Defensive awareness? The good news is those are learnable skills. For someone like Kakko, he's better as a winger because he can't accelerate out of turns like lafreniere in open ice. He can't cover east west as effectively. As a wing, he moves more or less north south until hes in the attacking zone where his agility and quickness are more effective coming off the walls, out of the corners, behind the net and in front of the net.

Lafreniere's a really different player. He's got the speed and vision east west. He's got the shot to score from distance. He's got the competetiveness--the attitude--to battle in faceoff dots and take the responsibility on without being overwhelmed. I mean this kid was compared to Crosby as often as he was anybody.
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This is all mostly true but it's also overanalysis. You could say the same thing for various wingers with similar skills.

Sometimes a player just isn't comfortable there, can't read the play as well or have the same effectiveness slotted there. It's not about lacking one or two specific attributes like faceoffs or defensive ability, skating ability, etc.

It's simple though, if you believe he can make an impact and is comfortable there, give him a chance. If it works great. If not, he'll still a special player on the wing.
 
Filthy Dangles said:
This is all mostly true but it's also overanalysis. You could say the same thing for various wingers with similar skills.

Sometimes a player just isn't comfortable there, can't read the play as well or have the same effectiveness slotted there. It's not about lacking one or two specific attributes like faceoffs or defensive ability, skating ability, etc.

It's simple though, if you believe he can make an impact and is comfortable there, give him a chance. If it works great. If not, he'll still a special player on the wing.
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yeah I mean plenty of guys play both positions for that reason. Goodrow or Chytil or strome on this team even. It’s only the notion of a natural center that I’m “overanalyzing” (maybe deconstructing) since “natural” to me would signify less what a player has been trained to do and more what they’re equipped to do.

I don’t think any wingers are getting moved to center. But I do think it’s worth a try with Lafreniere. So it won’t happen, but I wish it would lol
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Our line-up isn't really a difficult puzzle.

Lafrenière-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow
Blais-Rooney-Gauthier/Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundkvist

Shestyorkin
Georgiev
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Laf-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Kreider-Goodrow-Blais/Gauthier
Blais/Gauthier-Rooney-Hunt

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Lundkvist

Shesterkin
Georgiev
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
Any particular reason why?
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Trouba was too lazy
Fox was there for a few days then bailed. Seemed like he had a bunch of golf outings and getaways with he friends he was more interested in.
K'Andre didn't want to workout/wanted to play in Da Beauty league
Mika was home for his wedding
Strome set up a gym in his house...but this is also his first time getting serious about off ice training
Lindgren most likely not there because Fox wasn't there (they are glued together and don't like working out)
Kakko, Krav, Chytil, Laf all went home
Panarin was smoking cigarettes in France

Bitetto, Barron and Kreider were putting in the work.
Prospects came in August but I can only confirm Robertson and although Nils has been there in the past he was not there this year, probably because of COVID and figuring out when to come over for camp. I want to say Richards and Khoderenko were there.
 
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Chytilmania said:
Trouba was too lazy
Fox was there for a few days then bailed. Seemed like he had a bunch of golf outings and getaways with he friends he was more interested in.
K'Andre didn't want to workout/wanted to play in Da Beauty league
Mika was home for his wedding
Strome set up a gym in his house...but this is also his first time getting serious about off ice training
Lindgren most likely not there because Fox wasn't there (they are glued together and don't like working out)
Kakko, Krav, Chytil, Laf all went home
Panarin was smoking cigarettes in France

Bitetto, Barron and Kreider were putting in the work.
Prospects came in August but I can only confirm Robertson and although Nils has been there in the past he was not there this year, probably because of COVID and figuring out when to come over for camp. I want to say Richards and Khoderenko were there.
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Damn, you got the low down on all the boys. Nice.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The Rangers have 5 right handed forwards at the moment.

Panarin, Strome and Zibanejad are playing top 6 minutes.

So who of Reaves or Gauthier do you have on the 3rd line?
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I expect 1 of Kakko/kravtsov
I think it’s entirely possible 1st line out of camp will be Kreider-Zibby-LaF if LaF looks comfortable at RW.

I also expect to have a lot of movement among the Top 9 in the first month trying to find the right chemistry. Certainly a big reason of why I wanted strome gone but he’s here. And he’s getting a top 6 roster spot now.
Fact of the matter is at least one of our talented youngsters is going to be fighting for his life for ice time. And that’s not even factoring Barron into the equation, and that’s looking more and more likely he makes the team out of camp if you ask me.
 
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jay from jersey said:
I expect 1 of Kakko/kravtsov
I think it’s entirely possible 1st line out of camp will be Kreider-Zibby-LaF if LaF looks comfortable at RW.

I also expect to have a lot of movement among the Top 9 in the first month trying to find the right chemistry. Certainly a big reason of why I wanted strome gone but he’s here. And he’s getting a top 6 roster spot now.
Fact of the matter is at least one of our talented youngsters is going to be fighting for his life for ice time. And that’s not even factoring Barron into the equation, and that’s looking more and more likely he makes the team out of camp if you ask me.
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So, let me get this straight: You say we won't have 3 left-handed shooters on the 3rd line, and then you suggest Kakko or Kravtsov to play there, who are still left-handed shooters.

And then your "solution" is to get rid of Strome, which would leave us with only 4 right-handed shooters... I'm so confused

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