Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[Whalers Fan]

Yes, they were.

How do you explain guys like Holland, Burke, being top GM’s then brutal GM’s? Is Rutherford a great GM? How many modern GM’s have built teams that consistently win without getting lucky in the draft?

Well, in Holland's case, it's pretty easy. It was Mike Illitch's checkbook, not Holland, that built those Cup winners in Detroit pre-salary cap. Holland was lousy post-cap -- both in Detroit and Edmonton.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Yes, they were.

How do you explain guys like Holland, Burke, being top GM’s then brutal GM’s? Is Rutherford a great GM? How many modern GM’s have built teams that consistently win without getting lucky in the draft?

Everyone here hates MB….he made a Cup final and may have a Cup if Krieder doesn’t get wiped out. He had a lot of success relative to his peers, one of the more successful GM’s during his time here. Great GM?

Sam Pollack would be like 120 years old today, the league had 6 teams and MTL had serious regional advantages that are disadvantages today. Silly comp.

So what was hindering the 5 other general managers?

Or maybe it was a case of Pollack playing chess and his counterparts were playing checkers.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

+ Drouin was asked to play center which was a very bad idea.

He wasn’t asked, he was gifted the number one Center spot before he’d even played a game for the Habs. Along with a 5 year deal for huge money.

Bergevin gave away a franchise defenseman for a POS that never showed up when we needed him. It was also the first and biggest domino that fell, that put us into this rebuild.

The two of them should be permanently banned from the Bell Center.

 

[KKWG11]

Looked good tonight

 

[Hins77]

There are uncontrollable aspects. NHL GMing is backgammon, not chess, but good backgammon players beat poor backgammon players 99.9% of the time.

There aren’t that many really good GMs. Some years there are none.

And a lot of GM are like Sharks. They attack the worse GM. Actually, I'm sure Barry Trotz is receiving a lot of phone call. Why? Since the beginning of his tenure he is making poor choice. Im sure Many Gm feels he is worse than the overall GM. HuGo added Carrier wich is a top 4 dman for absolutely nothing. Last year, Preds fan were saying he was areally good and now at the transaction, he was a bad player. This is curious.

 

[Guess]

In the presser for this trade he did talk about how they wanted to know what they had with a number of their players, and that they needed to play them in order to have that evaluation. It wasn't stated as why Kovacevic was traded but sure that's an easy assumption to make. But Mailloux being in that bunch isn't really the case. We had 8 NHL D men who derserved ice time + Hutson who seemed like a lock for a total of 9 guys.

So yes Kovacevic was traded in part to clear help clear that logjam up which means more opportunity for young guys, but there was never any room for Mailloux unless he forced his way onto the team with an amazing camp.

And it's funny how this argument that players shouldn't be gifted spots and should have to earn it doesn't seem to apply to a guy like Hutson who was arguably gifted a spot, or how everyone wants Demidov gifted a top-6 spot next season. And in any case nobody was gifted a spot, Kovacevic was already seeing much less ice time last year compared to the year before. Kovacevic basically lost his spot by Struble coming in and forcing management to keep him up.

I wouldn't say Hutson was gifted a spot, he absolutely dominated in camp and preseason, without looking horrible defensively. He definitely looked like he could belong and keep up with the NHL pace.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

So what was hindering the 5 other general managers?

Or maybe it was a case of Pollack playing chess and his counterparts were playing checkers.

There were six teams and most of the owners and GM's were baboons.

 

[sampollock]

Barron is crying he never got #20
And Slaf got it...
See ya Barron

 

[overlords]

Barron still hasn't suited up for the preds?

 

[the]

I haven't watched Carrier play yet but I'm confident that Barron will be a good player. He's got all the tools to be successful in this league.

Something that's never mentioned but is true. He need to be on the PP to really show his value. I think he will get that opportunity in Nashville.

 

[ReHabs]

He got 22min a game right off the bat last season so he was gifted his spot before his first training camp. And yes he's kept it by playing great, but that just highlights the difference in philosophies. Do you have to work your way up the NHL lineup starting at the bottom like say Suzuki had to do, or can you be given an opportunity based on skill/potential but then you still have to play well enough to keep the spot.

Playing at the end of a lost season is only partially relevant, Poehling played too. Those are meaningless games outside of giving youngsters a trial. Hutson passing it probably confirmed what was going to happen: he would be given a chance to grab an NHL spot out of camp. That they gave him, and that he grabbed.

 

[Runner77]

The lehkonen trade HAS aged well. Getting Hage out of it seals it

Hage was in very large part, the product of the Monahan return from the Peg. The Avs 2nd rounder helped move up a few slots, which could have also been achieved by using other assets.

 

[the valiant effort]

Everyone here hates MB….he made a Cup final and may have a Cup if Krieder doesn’t get wiped out. He had a lot of success relative to his peers, one of the more successful GM’s during his time here. Great GM?

Reg season stats 2013 to Nov. 2021:

17th pts%
23rd goals per game
T-27th PP%
T-19th PK%

Playoff stats:

T-11th win%
27th goals per game
With Carey Price in goal for almost every single playoff game: 7th in goals against per game
T-24th PP%
6th PK% (!!)

T.R.A.S.H.

 

[ReHabs]

The lehkonen trade HAS aged well. Getting Hage out of it seals it

“Getting Hage out of the Lehkonen trade” is a really forced narrative. Not sure it can survive any scrutiny despite how hard some are trying.

Reg season stats 2013 to Nov. 2021:

17th pts%
23rd goals per game
T-27th PP%
T-19th PK%

Playoff stats:

T-11th win%
27th goals per game
With Carey Price in goal for almost every single playoff game: 7th in goals against per game
T-24th PP%
6th PK% (!!)

T.R.A.S.H.

I have a succinct summary of the Bergevin regime: Our team stats outside of the superstar player Bergevin inherited (Price) were awful. They were awful because over nearly ten years Bergevin didn’t draft, develop, or otherwise acquire players to build up the core.

 

[the valiant effort]

Habs ink Lehkonen to 8 year deal

“This team has been shit almost my entire time here and I can’t wait to rebuild for at least the first half of my new contract.”

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I haven't watched Carrier play yet but I'm confident that Barron will be a good player. He's got all the tools to be successful in this league.

Something that's never mentioned but is true. He need to be on the PP to really show his value. I think he will get that opportunity in Nashville.

The most important tool is M.I.A as his hockey IQ appears to be very poor.

Barron has made an a** of himself in all 3 zones and is the only dman that makes me want to yell at the t.v. when he predictably forces passes into the middle despite not being pressured. I see kids do this all the time but he has never shown the mental acuity to stop doing it.

The only thing that he does well is skate the puck in open ice but that often ends with a dumb decision as well.

He has a lot of physical talent but that is often not enough to hold down a D spot in the NHL, he is just a softer non-douchey version of Beaulieu.

Carrier has completely changed the makeup of this roster by immediately replacing our worst RHD with what is now our best RHD. It really is a shame that Reinbacher got hurt as he might have been a great late season add with Savard likely out the door at the TDL.

With Mailloux looking like a long term project with no guaranteed future as a quality NHLer and a very weak draft for RHD's coming up I would not be surprised to see HuGo target a decent veteran RHD over the summer or perhaps look to move Struble and/or possibly Mailloux for another 2nd pairing veteran dman sometime after the break.

One more solid RHD combined with at least one of Dach or Slaf returning to form will make for an exciting finish to the season provided that Monty doesn't get hurt.

 

[River Meadow]

The most important tool is M.I.A as his hockey IQ appears to be very poor.

Barron has made an a** of himself in all 3 zones and is the only dman that makes me want to yell at the t.v. when he predictably forces passes into the middle despite not being pressured. I see kids do this all the time but he has never shown the mental acuity to stop doing it.

The only thing that he does well is skate the puck in open ice but that often ends with a dumb decision as well.

He has a lot of physical talent but that is often not enough to hold down a D spot in the NHL, he is just a softer non-douchey version of Beaulieu.

Carrier has completely changed the makeup of this roster by immediately replacing our worst RHD with what is now our best RHD. It really is a shame that Reinbacher got hurt as he might have been a great late season add with Savard likely out the door at the TDL.

With Mailloux looking like a long term project with no guaranteed future as a quality NHLer and a very weak draft for RHD's coming up I would not be surprised to see HuGo target a decent veteran RHD over the summer or perhaps look to move Struble and/or possibly Mailloux for another 2nd pairing veteran dman sometime after the break.

One more solid RHD combined with at least one of Dach or Slaf returning to form will make for an exciting finish to the season provided that Monty doesn't get hurt.

Agreed.

Terrible trade by Kent Hughes.

 

[Ezpz]

Already tied Barron's production for the year.

 

[BLONG7]

So what was hindering the 5 other general managers?

Or maybe it was a case of Pollack playing chess and his counterparts were playing checkers.

Sam Pollack was so far ahead of his time..........................his moves were beyond intelligent.
Pretty sure there were 14 teams when he was finished too, not 6 teams.

Amazing, amazing GM.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Got burned a few times tonight, but because it's Detroit it didn't result in anything

 

[RationalExpectations]

And a lot of GM are like Sharks. They attack the worse GM. Actually, I'm sure Barry Trotz is receiving a lot of phone call. Why? Since the beginning of his tenure he is making poor choice. Im sure Many Gm feels he is worse than the overall GM. HuGo added Carrier wich is a top 4 dman for absolutely nothing. Last year, Preds fan were saying he was areally good and now at the transaction, he was a bad player. This is curious.

I think he is a good 3rd parking guy. Paid like a high end 3rd pairing guy. More a complementary piece than a core one Hence when NSH wzs good he got credit for what he does well but when NSH wzs bad he could not really hell them.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Looked good from what I saw. If he can play that way consistently he’ll be a big help.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

The most important tool is M.I.A as his hockey IQ appears to be very poor.

Barron has made an a** of himself in all 3 zones and is the only dman that makes me want to yell at the t.v. when he predictably forces passes into the middle despite not being pressured. I see kids do this all the time but he has never shown the mental acuity to stop doing it.

The only thing that he does well is skate the puck in open ice but that often ends with a dumb decision as well.

He has a lot of physical talent but that is often not enough to hold down a D spot in the NHL, he is just a softer non-douchey version of Beaulieu.

Carrier has completely changed the makeup of this roster by immediately replacing our worst RHD with what is now our best RHD. It really is a shame that Reinbacher got hurt as he might have been a great late season add with Savard likely out the door at the TDL.

With Mailloux looking like a long term project with no guaranteed future as a quality NHLer and a very weak draft for RHD's coming up I would not be surprised to see HuGo target a decent veteran RHD over the summer or perhaps look to move Struble and/or possibly Mailloux for another 2nd pairing veteran dman sometime after the break.

One more solid RHD combined with at least one of Dach or Slaf returning to form will make for an exciting finish to the season provided that Monty doesn't get hurt.

May as well close the thread after this post. Nothing else can or needs to be said or added.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I haven't watched Carrier play yet but I'm confident that Barron will be a good player. He's got all the tools to be successful in this league.

Something that's never mentioned but is true. He need to be on the PP to really show his value. I think he will get that opportunity in Nashville.

He'll get 2nd PP duties behind Josi. He's a player they actually need. There's very little offense behind Josi, so I'm sure they're hoping that's what he'll provide. From our end, we needed a veteran RD who can defend.

With Hutson & Matheson on the team and Engstrom & Mailloux in Laval Barron was no longer a need. He was when we got him, though.

At that time, we only had Mailloux in OHL. Nothing in Laval. We would draft Hutson & Engstrom in 2022 draft, and trade for Matheson in summer of 2022.

 

[Sorinth]

Playing at the end of a lost season is only partially relevant, Poehling played too. Those are meaningless games outside of giving youngsters a trial. Hutson passing it probably confirmed what was going to happen: he would be given a chance to grab an NHL spot out of camp. That they gave him, and that he grabbed.

Poehling played 11mins which actually highlights the difference.