Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[WeThreeKings]

Yes, but...

Just because a player was drafted in the 1st round doesn't mean they're a good player or automatically worthy of being traded for, or that it was a 'good trade' because we got back a former 1st round draft pick.

There was a reason Barron and Newhook were available, and boy did we find out.

He was in the midst of a 0.5PPG rookie season in the AHL when we acquired him. He was still looked upon as a good prospect when we acquired him.

Those guys were available because we had a commodity they wanted (Lehkonen) and Barron didn't help them at that point but Lehkonen did.

Newhook was available because they needed draft currency to get Colton and they didn't feel they could wait around for Newhook to develop while they were competing.

Must have been a reason why Zibanejad was available? Must have been a reason why Filip Forsberg was available? You are just dealing with future pieces and the range of outcomes are vast and volatile.

They got very good value on Lehkonen, the main piece didn't hit. That is the cost of a rebuild and acquiring futures. It was a good trade with an outcome that did not net us the upside we thought we were going to get with Barron.

 

[eklund the clown]

Kakko would’ve played defense when Savard is traded at the trade deadline?

It's easy to pick up scrubs at right D .At least Kakko has potential.Carrier is JAG who makes 4 mil traded for a 23 year old former 1st rounder

 

[JoelWarlord]

There was a reason Barron and Newhook were available, and boy did we find out.

And there was a reason why Lehkonen was available, the Habs weren't going to re-sign him.

And there was a reason why Danault was available, why Heineman was available, why Suzuki was available, etc.

Contenders trade prospects because they can't wait for them to develop.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We don’t need more picks. Enough of the picks.

You pick lovers will find out very soon (next summer) that HuGo will get rid of many picks in favour of real bodies.

I sure hope the f*** not, considering how pityful his attempts at expediting the rebuild have been.

His trades for immediate help have been his worsts. His drafting and leveraging cap space have been very good. So with this in mind, I'm hoping he prioritizes the draft.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Getting rid of Barron for whatever was fine but I'm angry because we should not have traded Lehky for Barron.

This move is 100% Hughes trying to fix a mistake he did.

Lehky > Carrier.

In a bubble, this move is fine, sure.

But Hughes needs to not make these same mistakes again.... He's made multiple already.

If you’re going to evaluate the trade, evaluate the whole thing. Trading Lek also facilitated us getting Hage. We’d make that trade again all day long.

Moreover, when you’re trading for a prospect there’s always inherent risk. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make those kinds of moves. Said so at the time, it might not work out but those are good types of moves to make. And it absolutely paid off because we got the 2nd with him as well.

 

[GrandBison]

They traded Kovacevic to make room for a young player and traded for Carrier to rectify that mistake. Hughes/Gorton player assessments are a tad optimistic—Barron, Dach and Newhook, one down and two to go.

The emergence of Hutson pushed Barron out of the plan as an offensive Defenseman. They should have thrown Barron in instead of Harris in the Laine trade.

 

[River Meadow]

If you’re going to evaluate the trade, evaluate the whole thing. Trading Lek also facilitated us getting Hage. We’d make that trade again all day long.

Moreover, when you’re trading for a prospect there’s always inherent risk. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t make those kinds of moves. Said so at the time, it might not work out but those are good types of moves to make. And it absolutely paid off because we got the 2nd with him as well.

Because we couldn't have found any other way to move up in the draft without trading Lekky..... really?

Yes, there is risk, 100% agreed, but Barron looked like sh*t from Day 1.

Avs GM knew it - Why didn't we?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Because we couldn't have found any other way to move up in the draft without trading Lekky..... really?

Yes, there is risk, 100% agreed, but Barron looked like sh*t from Day 1.

Avs GM knew it - Why didn't we?

No, he didn't.

 

[River Meadow]

No, he didn't.

Oh, ok.

Case closed.

 

[417]

Because we couldn't have found any other way to move up in the draft without trading Lekky..... really?

Yes, there is risk, 100% agreed, but Barron looked like sh*t from Day 1.

Avs GM knew it - Why didn't we?

How do you know that? Because he traded him?

Not every trade is made with the idea of screwing over the other team. It's quite possible that the Avs really liked Barron but that was just the cost to pay to acquire Lehkonen.

 

[River Meadow]

How do you know that?

Avs GM was probably laughing his ass off after unloading not just Barron, but Newhook to us.

He was all like:

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Because we couldn't have found any other way to move up in the draft without trading Lekky..... really?

This is silly.

You evaluate the trade based on what you got and how you used the assets. It was a win.

I didn’t care if we could’ve done this some other way - we didn’t. We leveraged the asset we got to move up in the draft. The trade was well worth it.

Yes, there is risk, 100% agreed, but Barron looked like sh*t from Day 1.

Avs GM knew it - Why didn't we?

Bullshit.

Barron was a young RD with tons of upside. STILL IS. The Avs needed help in the immediate and Baron wasn’t ready. So they traded for help. This kind of trade happens all the time. They don’t know what he was going to be any more than we did. We still don’t know what he’ll be. His career hasn’t even started yet.

He was played every other night here for like 11 minutes a game. And he was with other youngsters learning the game. How is he going to improve that way?

 

[GrandBison]

Because we couldn't have found any other way to move up in the draft without trading Lekky..... really?

Yes, there is risk, 100% agreed, but Barron looked like sh*t from Day 1.

Avs GM knew it - Why didn't we?

Lehkonen started his last season as a Hab on the 4th line. He's way overglorified here.

 

[OldCraig71]

The emergence of Hutson pushed Barron out of the plan as an offensive Defenseman. They should have thrown Barron in instead of Harris in the Laine trade.

Well, Harris isn't able to play consistently in Columbus so in trading both there isn't any real loss. The mistake was letting Kovacevic go. We could have packaged both of them and a pick for help at center and traded Kovacevic at the deadline to a contending team.

I don't think it's the greatest idea to play 3-5 rookies/green defencemen in the lineup at one time and obviously they have realized the mistake. Others have mentioned trading Savard to offset the cap implications of adding Carrier which would be the necessary move.

 

[Vachon23]

Because we couldn't have found any other way to move up in the draft without trading Lekky..... really?

Yes, there is risk, 100% agreed, but Barron looked like sh*t from Day 1.

Avs GM knew it - Why didn't we?

Barron was one of the most productive Dmen U21 in the AHL when we made the trade

 

[River Meadow]

Barron was one of the most productive Dmen U21 in the AHL when we made the trade

Way too soft.

He makes Charmin toilet paper look rough af.

 

[WeThreeKings]

How do you know that? Because he traded him?

Not every trade is made with the idea of screwing over the other team. It's quite possible that the Avs really liked Barron but that was just the cost to pay to acquire Lehkonen.

They weren't going to move him until late in the trade deadline when they finally acquiesced.

Years after that trade we are still getting a cromulent 4/5 RD for Barron; so it's not like his value has eroded massively to the point that he's just being dumped for absolutely nothing.

This is such a stupid trend this board does - as soon as the outcome of something has been solidified from a Habs perspective, they rewrite history. Oh Barron is a bum, he had no value, we got fleeced, Avs were hoping to dump this clown, oh he sucked as soon as he touched down for us.

Everything has to be this cataclysmic event that points to sheer incompetence that proves we are in a directionless ship that will yield nothing but misery.

This board needs therapy.

 

[tazsub3]

The second round pick we used to move up 5 spots.

No mate that I know , was a joke as he said a third , so I meant , arms , legs , heads or you know what hahahah

 

[417]

Avs GM was probably laughing his ass off after unloading not just Barron, but Newhook to us.

He was all like:

We talking about the same GM who drafted those players right?

 

[Vachon23]

Way too soft.

He makes Charmin toilet paper look rough af.

We didn’t trade for him for his toughness but because we didn’t have many PMD in the prospect pool

 

[calder candidate]

Barron was big mistake, zero hockey sense. Lekhonen good player.

That funny because brunch of people here were eager to drop off Lehkonen to the airport for free… Seem like the last guy we hated for no real good reason always end up being better than the player we are happy to get…

 

[LaP]

We don’t need more picks. Enough of the picks.

You pick lovers will find out very soon (next summer) that HuGo will get rid of many picks in favour of real bodies.

Picks and young players are really good assets to acquire good players. You always need more picks.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Everything has to be this cataclysmic event that points to sheer incompetence that proves we are in a directionless ship that will yield nothing but misery.

This board needs therapy.

yeah the volume is like

RAH RHA RAH BARRON SUCKS LEHKTONEN TRADE SUCKS RAHA RAHLRJALKARHALKAKLJASKJLF KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI KOVACEVECIKOVACEVECI RAH RAH STUPID WLKJLKAJRLAKJGALKDJ


also laine was cool

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

But at least the 2nd pick we received for Lehky have been put for advance at #21 and draft Michael Hage !!

That's the giant silver lining here.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Can’t believe I went to sleep last night without reading the good news

See ya sucka

One of the worst players I’ve seen for the Habs, gutless