Confirmed with Link: Alexandre Carrier acquired from the Predators in exchange for Justin Barron

[Hacketts]

So, lowered expectations?

Nice.

I think we just had to many kids at once playing D.

Barron should not be playing PK at the NHL level.

 

[Deebs]

If the cost of a #1RD includes Mailloux as part of the deal yup see ya later.

You'll need to add another 1st rounder to that as well as another prospect....not even sure that's enough. What team will trade their ultra elusive #1 RD? That's a Makar or Fox level of player.

 

[Whitesnake]

No one here would have been happy with the Habs signing Lekhonen to the extension he eventually got.

He was severely underrated and under appreciated amongst Habs fans IMO, and also around the league, I thought the Avalanche got a steal and it was one of the best trades of that deadline.

Unfortunate they couldn’t get more for him but they did alright, the profile of Barron and the 2nd round pick was a solid gamble at the time.

Can’t apply what we know now to what we knew then.

Well you kinda have though. If not, everybody would never be fired becasue there's always upside to every trade, always made with the best intentions.

You can explain the deal. But there's a reason why we ask people to wait 5 years to make a determination of it....And we most totally lose this one. I didn't appreciate as much Lehky at the start. And frankly, for good reasons..he wasn't the player we see now. But towards the end, I once said he was top 5 in the league as far as the guy who was the toughest to play against. Didn't get the good stick Lehky name for nothing. Was the worth a huge extension? What was the number again? I don't know. But I know one thing.....as it's always refered here.....Lehky was given for a 1st and a 2nd. 1st being Barron. Yes what I knew then about Barron, and when I say then I'm not talking about the trade...I'm talking about the draft is this....

2020 NHL Draft Part 11

- Holtz had a PP goal today in a 4-0 win for Djurgardens.

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Was never a fan. So far I'm not wrong. So we might have gotten a player chosen in the 1st...but would have preferred an actual 1st pick. I mean if the target was Barron....it's all about evaluation. Sakic thought he could do without a fast 6'2 RD.....I mean, in a world where Reinbacher deserves to be a top 5 pick...who gets rid of a fast 6'2 RD if he has that much potential?

 

[Rapala]

Best of luck Justin! Truly wishing you success.

Best of Luck Alexandre! Truly wishing you success.

I have always backed Barron but it seems I'm able to move on rather quickly.

 

[eklund the clown]

Kind of a nothing deal.They should have used Barron to get Kakko

 

[le_sean]

Imagine, if we trade Barron for Kovacevic, people will say good trade

I mean, it would be. Are people not aware that Barron is an offence-only defenceman that isn’t good enough to play the PP? What is the use in that?

 

[River Meadow]

I think we just had to many kids at once playing D.

Barron should not be playing PK at the NHL level.

Getting rid of Barron for whatever was fine but I'm angry because we should not have traded Lehky for Barron.

This move is 100% Hughes trying to fix a mistake he did.

Lehky > Carrier.

In a bubble, this move is fine, sure.

But Hughes needs to not make these same mistakes again.... He's made multiple already.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I'll go from meh to bad deal.

I didn't realize a bottom pairing d got almost 4 mill. That's terrible.

I'll give him a chance, but this is already looking like a bad trade just because of the cap loss, not that Barron was a good player, or anything, just sucked at less.

 

[SlafySZN]

Kind of a nothing deal.They should have used Barron to get Kakko

Kakko would’ve played defense when Savard is traded at the trade deadline?

 

[Kennerback]

Getting rid of Barron for whatever was fine but I'm angry because we should not have traded Lehky for Barron.

This move is 100% Hughes trying to fix a mistake he did.

Lehky > Carrier.

In a bubble, this move is fine, sure.

But Hughes needs to not make these same mistakes again.... He's made multiple already.

I give credit to Hughes for not falling for the sunk cost fallacy. It was time to turn the page on Barron and he did the right thing.

 

[Deebs]

I give credit to Hughes for not falling for the sunk cost fallacy. It was time to turn the page on Barron and he did the right thing.

Exactly. They gave JB a chance to progress in the minors and then earn a spot with the big club. It didn't workout and so they moved on. Seems like a business as usual.

 

[417]

Well you kinda have though. If not, everybody would never be fired becasue there's always upside to every trade, always made with the best intentions.

Well if everything is analyzed through hindsight, there's really not a point in giving an instant take at all.

But I get what you're saying, I wasn't trying to cut HuGo some slack for this trade. It didn't turn out as good as we had hoped, mostly because Barron plateaued and never became the player everyone thought he'd be.

Still don't think it was a blunder.

You can explain the deal. But there's a reason why we ask people to wait 5 years to make a determination of it....And we most totally lose this one. I didn't appreciate as much Lehky at the start. And frankly, for good reasons..he wasn't the player we see now. But towards the end, I once said he was top 5 in the league as far as the guy who was the toughest to play against. Didn't get the good stick Lehky name for nothing.

I think the coaching staff/organization didn't value him enough, and i'm not referring to the current administration because they weren't around long enough. But Therrien/Julien only viewed him as a checker/PK guy and never really gave him opportunities to be anything more. He had a great rookie year, his sophomore year he was a bit snakebitten and then everyone just accepted the "fact" that he was a great defensive player who couldn't score.

Was the worth a huge extension? What was the number again? I don't know. But I know one thing.....as it's always refered here.....Lehky was given for a 1st and a 2nd. 1st being Barron. Yes what I knew then about Barron, and when I say then I'm not talking about the trade...I'm talking about the draft is this....

Well the extension became moot when the Habs decided to sign Brendan Gallagher to an extension in October 2020, that deal didn't kick in until the following year and during that offseason, the Habs signed Lehkonen to a 1yr RFA extension...then MB got fired, Hughes came on board and a few weeks later they traded Lehkonen.

He ended up signing a 5 year 22.5M (4.5M/yr) extension in Colorado, which probably means right around 5M/yr for the Habs. Again, there's no way anyone would have been OK with that, so that's why i'm saying you can't apply hindsight in evaluating all aspects of this deal.

It's unfortunate Barron didn't pan out, but they also got a 2nd round pick which eventually turned into Hage, so the story isn't completely written on that book.

But the framework of the trade at the time, made a lot of sense. A recently drafted 1st round pick, Right-Handed Dmen coming off a solid AHL rookie year + a 2nd round pick, for a forward who many at the time thought was expendable and had reached his ceiling.

If anything, it should teach us a lesson that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to pigeonhole players into roles or labels....

 

[Egresch]

Well, I think they made a mistake and are trying to fix things.

Having as many as 5 rookie defencemen on the ice on any given night was wrong.

We had Kovacevic on a minimum wage contract( 1/6th of what Carrier earns) and could have kept him to trade at this year's deadline if need be. We sent him to NJ, and by all accounts, he has been good while Barron has not.

Dach and Newhook were traded and not missed by Chicago and Colorado and will eventually get traded out of Montreal, rebuilding or not.

Summing up, decisions of our management led to:
Kovacevic + Barron
for
Carrier + 4th round pick

Seems like a pretty underwhelming trade for me.

 

[Hacketts]

Getting rid of Barron for whatever was fine but I'm angry because we should not have traded Lehky for Barron.

This move is 100% Hughes trying to fix a mistake he did.

Lehky > Carrier.

In a bubble, this move is fine, sure.

But Hughes needs to not make these same mistakes again.... He's made multiple already.

Didn't the 2nd help us get Hage?

You shouldn't be angry about that on Dec 18th, 2024.

He's made multiple mistakes according to the people on this board. We're all idiots.

He's also turned Kulak into Hutson, Chairot into Heineman, 2 firsts for Monahan..

Stop being silly.

 

[salbutera]

Gorton was still here and Carrier said yesterday that Gorton call him after the trade

LeBrun said a few weeks back it’s Gorton that speaks with GMs across the league while Hughes listens….per Pierre’s hockey management sources

I think it’s fair to conclude Gorton makes the player moves & Hughes negotiates contracts

 

[Whitesnake]

Well if everything is analyzed through hindsight, there's really not a point in giving an instant take at all.

But I get what you're saying, I wasn't trying to cut HuGo some slack for this trade. It didn't turn out as good as we had hoped, mostly because Barron plateaued and never became the player everyone thought he'd be.

Still don't think it was a blunder.

I think the coaching staff/organization didn't value him enough, and i'm not referring to the current administration because they weren't around long enough. But Therrien/Julien only viewed him as a checker/PK guy and never really gave him opportunities to be anything more. He had a great rookie year, his sophomore year he was a bit snakebitten and then everyone just accepted the "fact" that he was a great defensive player who couldn't score.

Well the extension became moot when the Habs decided to sign Brendan Gallagher to an extension in October 2020, that deal didn't kick in until the following year and during that offseason, the Habs signed Lehkonen to a 1yr RFA extension...then MB got fired, Hughes came on board and a few weeks later they traded Lehkonen.

He ended up signing a 5 year 22.5M (4.5M/yr) extension in Colorado, which probably means right around 5M/yr for the Habs. Again, there's no way anyone would have been OK with that, so that's why i'm saying you can't apply hindsight in evaluating all aspects of this deal.

It's unfortunate Barron didn't pan out, but they also got a 2nd round pick which eventually turned into Hage, so the story isn't completely written on that book.

But the framework of the trade at the time, made a lot of sense. A recently drafted 1st round pick, Right-Handed Dmen coming off a solid AHL rookie year + a 2nd round pick, for a forward who many at the time thought was expendable and had reached his ceiling.

If anything, it should teach us a lesson that maybe we shouldn't be so quick to pigeonhole players into roles or labels....

Well giving an instant take still makes sense as it's a hockey forum and it's fun to do. But everybody knows the real evaluation comes down the road from draft picks to trades.

As far as Lehky is concerned though well I don't think we can fault fans from being too harsh as people clearly didn't take into context being paired with McKinnon and Rantanen vs Kotkaniemi, Armia, Shaw, Domi, Evans, Byron etc.

 

[417]

Getting rid of Barron for whatever was fine but I'm angry because we should not have traded Lehky for Barron.

This move is 100% Hughes trying to fix a mistake he did.

Lehky > Carrier.

In a bubble, this move is fine, sure.

But Hughes needs to not make these same mistakes again.... He's made multiple already.

Mistakes are going to happen, you're not going to win out every trade.

But if this is the kind of "loss" he has on trades, I can live with it.

 

[Goalfield13]

We've seen that if they f*** up, they try to rectify that mistake before the player loses all his value. Different stuff from Bergevin.
Newhook and Dach are fine for now. One is clearly a 3rd line player that should excel as one and the other one had multiple severe injuries, I won't throw the towel for now.

When have they done that outside of this trade? I can't recall a time when they fixed a mistake THEY made.

 

[417]

Well giving an instant take still makes sense as it's a hockey forum and it's fun to do. But everybody knows the real evaluation comes down the road from draft picks to trades.

As far as Lehky is concerned though well I don't think we can fault fans from being too harsh as people clearly didn't take into context being paired with McKinnon and Rantanen vs Kotkaniemi, Armia, Shaw, Domi, Evans, Byron etc.

I think that's important to remember though when we're evaluating players.

Who knows, maybe Justin Barron goes to Nashville and plays with Roman Josi and suddenly becomes a reliable 20+ mins a night, reliable 2 way Dman lol.

 

[Vachon23]

Summing up, decisions of our management led to:
Kovacevic + Barron
for
Carrier + 4th round pick

Seems like a pretty underwhelming trade for me.

The best player is in MTL so what’s the problem

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think that's important to remember though when we're evaluating players.

Who knows, maybe Justin Barron goes to Nashville and plays with Roman Josi and suddenly becomes a reliable 20+ mins a night, reliable 2 way Dman lol.

There's a lot of important things to remember when evaluating players and trades.

We got a recent 1st round pick right shot defenseman and a 2nd round pick for Lehkonen.

That is a good trade.

Barron didn't pan out as they expected, the outcome was not good, especially since Lehkonen thrived playing with better players and was a key component in a cup win for the Avalanche.

Good trade, outcome isn't the best. That's what happens when you deal in futures, you have to live with the variance of those futures, which are usually high variance items.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Summing up, decisions of our management led to:
Kovacevic + Barron
for
Carrier + 4th round pick

Seems like a pretty underwhelming trade for me.

I mean if you're gonna just lump trades together, why isn't it Kovacevic + Barron + Harris for Laine + Carrier + 2nd + 4th?

 

[habdynasty]

Now they can trade the bug turtle Savard.

 

[River Meadow]

There's a lot of important things to remember when evaluating players and trades.

We got a recent 1st round pick right shot defenseman and a 2nd round pick for Lehkonen.

That is a good trade.

Barron didn't pan out as they expected, the outcome was not good, especially since Lehkonen thrived playing with better players and was a key component in a cup win for the Avalanche.

Good trade, outcome isn't the best. That's what happens when you deal in futures, you have to live with the variance of those futures, which are usually high variance items.

Yes, but...

Just because a player was drafted in the 1st round doesn't mean they're a good player or automatically worthy of being traded for, or that it was a 'good trade' because we got back a former 1st round draft pick.

There was a reason Barron and Newhook were available, and boy did we find out.

 

[417]

Yes, but...

Just because a player was drafted in the 1st round doesn't mean they're a good player or automatically worthy of being traded for, or that it was a 'good trade' because we got back a former 1st round draft pick.

There was a reason Barron and Newhook were available, and boy did we find out.

And there was a reason why Lehkonen was available, the Habs weren't going to re-sign him.