Value of: Alex Turcotte

[gritdash60]

Some team should just get him and Jesse Puljujärvi and form a line of "could've beens". Wonder who would be the center for that line, Byfield?

 

[StreetHawk]

Most people realize that.

I would much rather gamble on the potential upside of Turcotte vs. that of some random 3rd round pick is all.

He has more value to the Kings than he does on the open market, it's not some metacommentary on thinking all prospects pan out. If anything, your post is ironic because it suggests gambling on a mid round pick is somehow better.

Really hasn't produced much at the pro level. 56 points in 91 AHL games for a high skill player. 0 points in 12 NHL games. Had a solid Freshman year at a PPG. Opted to turn pro given the uncertainties of Covid in the Big10. Hasn't worked out for him yet.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Really hasn't produced much at the pro level. 56 points in 91 AHL games for a high skill player. 0 points in 12 NHL games. Had a solid Freshman year at a PPG. Opted to turn pro given the uncertainties of Covid in the Big10. Hasn't worked out for him yet.

And what does a midround pick do for a current playoff team in contrast?

 

[StreetHawk]

And what does a midround pick do for a current playoff team in contrast?

As long as you adjust your expectations on Turcotte down, there's really no difference between Turcotte and a 3rd round pick.

 

[Trash Panda]

As long as you adjust your expectations on Turcotte down, there's really no difference between Turcotte and a 3rd round pick.

Other than the obvious untapped upside of the former 5th OA pick, absolutely.

Furthering the reasons for LA to hold onto him this year, enjoy the waiver exemption, and see if he can finally have a healthy year.

 

[hawksrule]

I would much rather gamble on the potential upside of Turcotte vs. that of some random 3rd round pick is all.

He has more value to the Kings than he does on the open market, it's not some metacommentary on thinking all prospects pan out. If anything, your post is ironic because it suggests gambling on a mid round pick is somehow better.

I have no issue with your first sentence, but disagree with the bolded. His value is his value. It’s like Rangers fans who say they wouldn’t trade Lafreniere for anything less than a top 10 pick. If he was on another team, they obviously wouldn’t trade a top 10 pick for him, so the idea that they should value him that highly just because they drafted him is silly. Sunk cost. If you wouldn’t trade a first or second for Turcotte if he was on another team, then he shouldn’t hold that value to you.

 

[Trash Panda]

I have no issue with your first sentence, but disagree with the bolded. His value is his value. It’s like Rangers fans who say they wouldn’t trade Lafreniere for anything less than a top 10 pick. If he was on another team, they obviously wouldn’t trade a top 10 pick for him, so the idea that they should value him that highly just because they drafted him is silly. Sunk cost. If you wouldn’t trade a first or second for Turcotte if he was on another team, then he shouldn’t hold that value to you.

Value in a vacuum versus situational value to an organization are two entirely different things.

 

[hawksrule]

Value in a vacuum versus situational value to an organization are two entirely different things.

What’s the situation you’re referring to that Increases his value beyond market value?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

As long as you adjust your expectations on Turcotte down, there's really no difference between Turcotte and a 3rd round pick.

a 2024 3rd round pick does nothing for the Kings this year.

Turcotte is 22 and has proven he can--at worst--be a very useful depth player.

Yes, there is a difference.

I have no issue with your first sentence, but disagree with the bolded. His value is his value. It’s like Rangers fans who say they wouldn’t trade Lafreniere for anything less than a top 10 pick. If he was on another team, they obviously wouldn’t trade a top 10 pick for him, so the idea that they should value him that highly just because they drafted him is silly. Sunk cost. If you wouldn’t trade a first or second for Turcotte if he was on another team, then he shouldn’t hold that value to you.

See above, and also no, if you can't make sense of the concept of situational/contextual value vs. value in a vacuum, I don't know what to say to you, no offense intended.

 

[hawksrule]

a 2024 3rd round pick does nothing for the Kings this year.

Turcotte is 22 and has proven he can--at worst--be a very useful depth player.

Yes, there is a difference.




See above, and also no, if you can't make sense of the concept of situational/contextual value vs. value in a vacuum, I don't know what to say to you, no offense intended.

No offense taken. What is the situational value you and others refer to that increases his value to the kings beyond his market value?

 

[biturbo19]

King's might as well hold on to him at this point instead of dumping him for low ball offers.

He's a player i wasn't very high on in the draft to begin with, but piling all these injuries on top of that has made for a pretty disastrous development curve. But yeah...at this point, i think the Kings only real option is to just hang onto him and hope he can stay healthy and make some progress. After making the Dubois deal, it'd be huge for them if he could turn into something. But i don't think you can count on anything at this point. Just wait and see...

 

[Nabrules]

Over Turcotte in his draft year, maybe he was over-drafted in hindsight since he never had elite skill but make no mistake about it, awful development by LA and injuries have ruined him, definitely had Larkin type potential.

 

[biturbo19]

Over Turcotte in his draft year, maybe he was over-drafted in hindsight since he never had elite skill but make no mistake about it, awful development by LA and injuries have ruined him, definitely had Larkin type potential.

He was never remotely Larkin-like at all though. He was always a pretty sluggish skater. He had skill, but nothing like that zip around dynamic speed and attacking mentality of Larkin.

 

[Surf Nutz]

What’s the situation you’re referring to that Increases his value beyond market value?

the value in him going on to some form of a nhl career or more.
this would mitigate or even vindicate the pick at a later date.
Once you trade him its a failed pick forever and even worse if he starts to perform on another team.

 

[Diaspora]

the value in him going on to some form of a nhl career or more.
this would mitigate or even vindicate the pick at a later date.
One you trade him its a failed pick forever and even worse if he starts to perform on another team.

That's valuing your facade over your structure, which is a common but ultimately destructive way of looking at any choice. Road to failure and collapse.

 

[peconcan]

I would swap Robertson for him neither guy can stay healthy and could use a change of scenery

 

[hawksrule]

the value in him going on to some form of a nhl career or more.
this would mitigate or even vindicate the pick at a later date.
One you trade him its a failed pick forever and even worse if he starts to perform on another team.

Any team making a trade takes that same risk. His likelihood of a nhl career is factored into his market value. Where you picked him is a sunk cost and irrelevant.

Chicago has unfortunately been on the wrong side of these trades. We traded for Strome and lost. We traded for Alex Nylander and lost. We traded for Rundblad and lost (that pick turned into Dvorak). Those teams properly assessed the value of their player, and where he was drafted years prior didn’t matter.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Excellent reclamation project for Montréal, with all the others

What are Los Angeles needs?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

As long as you adjust your expectations on Turcotte down, there's really no difference between Turcotte and a 3rd round pick.

Well, Turcotte might be able to play right now. A future pick cant.

 

[Surf Nutz]

That's valuing your facade over your structure, which is a common but ultimately destructive way of looking at any choice. Road to failure and collapse.

SOounds like you live in Canada from that comment.

Any team making a trade takes that same risk. His likelihood of a nhl career is factored into his market value. Where you picked him is a sunk cost and irrelevant.

Chicago has unfortunately been on the wrong side of these trades. We traded for Strome and lost. We traded for Alex Nylander and lost. We traded for Rundblad and lost (that pick turned into Dvorak). Those teams properly assessed the value of their player, and where he was drafted years prior didn’t matter.

Right , we are not trading Turcotte and not taking any risk yet.
Trust me it is not irrelevant to Rob Blake , who expires at the end of the 25 season and his peeps!
Chicago hasn't done much properly the last few seasons.
Your comments are very obstinate.

Excellent reclamation project for Montréal, with all the others

What are Los Angeles needs?

We need you to keep Bergevin away from Robitaille and the Kings

 

[Nabrules]

He was never remotely Larkin-like at all though. He was always a pretty sluggish skater. He had skill, but nothing like that zip around dynamic speed and attacking mentality of Larkin.

To clarify I meant in terms of on ice potential, ie a lower case 1C or elite 2C, not actual playing style!

 

[Bouboumaster]

We you to keep Bergevin away from Robitaille and the Kings

Bro we had him for a decade, we ain't touching that ever again

 

[Maitz]

If LA needs a D prospect, we could package one + mid pick for Turcotte

 

[FSL KINGS]

If LA needs a D prospect, we could package one + mid pick for Turcotte

Maybe try next year. Not currently for sale.

 

[Patagonia]

Really liked his potential. Assumed the Hawks were to select (local kid) instead of Dach changing the expected drafted players. All 3 players might be injury prone, but it seems COL - Byram could be the best of the group.

3 - Turcotte
4 - Dach
5 - Byram

Might not be any urgency, but LAK should consider offers similar to COL i.e. Newhook. His value could tank ie. Jost with nothing.