Value of: Alex Turcotte

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Because he’s a winger

So you think seven draft slots makes up the winger/center difference?

And Boldy played a lot of center this season. Seems like strange reasoning.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

As a fan of a team that has great winger depth, I would much rather have great center depth. It's much easier to move the centers to wing than the wings to center.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Surely having an elite goaltender put up a historic performance didn't hurt.

This is a pretty deliberately obtuse take to the pretty non-controversial theory that "good center depth is good" and one that completely discounts the 2014 non-historic G performance.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

So you think seven draft slots makes up the winger/center difference?

And Boldy played a lot of center this season. Seems like strange reasoning.

He was drafted as a winger. I think that talking about draft slots when trying to determine who the more “talented” player is doesn’t really do much for you, either. Barzal went 10 picks after Zacha and we all know who the better player is. It’s nothing against Turcotte. I watched him over 15 times this year and Boldy over 30. I wasn’t impressed with Turcotte at all this year. I wasn’t overly high on him in his draft year, but I held out making any assertions because I hadn’t watched him enough.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

LA wanting to keep their guys and seeing how things shake out is completely fair.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

What if Turcotte is better than Byfield (I think he will be)?

he very well could become better. im not going to say he isnt but i dont think he is far and above better than him at this point.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

As far as C they could be starting next year alone with Kopitar-Byfield-Vilardi down the C and guys that are natural Cs like Turcotte, Madden, Thomas, Jaret Anderson-Dolan et al on the wing, future is starting to look good. Yes theyre not all going to pan out but those are just the recognizable names, plenty of lower-key guys that could become impact wings like Fagemo, Kaliyev, Shafigullin, and much more. And if they're not ready, they're insulated by another C vet in Carter, or Kempe if needed, and they have other veteran wings for help too (Brown, Iafallo).

Anyway just reaffirming what you're saying and LA seems to be more comfortable with it than most organizations--center heavy is a good problem.

Yes I see them likely having the strongest top nine in the league in a couple of years. Great mix of high end prospects and vets who can still produce. Defence they still gotta figure out, but Bjornfot is looking solid

 

[topshelf15]

Move him to wing??

 

[Guitpik]

Yeah except Vilardi and Turcotte are a long damn way from Crosby and Malkin.

Yeah, but we'll take them anyway.

 

[Drew311]

Byfield scares me a little. He’s plays a power game, not so much relying on his skill to be an elite OHL player. My worry is I don’t think he translates as well to the NHL as he won’t be able to manhandle defenseman like he does in Junior.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He was drafted as a winger. I think that talking about draft slots when trying to determine who the more “talented” player is doesn’t really do much for you, either. Barzal went 10 picks after Zacha and we all know who the better player is. It’s nothing against Turcotte. I watched him over 15 times this year and Boldy over 30. I wasn’t impressed with Turcotte at all this year. I wasn’t overly high on him in his draft year, but I held out making any assertions because I hadn’t watched him enough.

I'm sure you did.

You seem to prefer a lot of players ahead of Turcotte that went way after him in the draft (Boldy, Newhook, Zegras), and there are probably more that we didn't hear about yet.

Somehow, you still want to trade Boldy for the inferior Turcotte.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I'm sure you did.

You seem to prefer a lot of players ahead of Turcotte that went way after him in the draft (Boldy, Newhook, Zegras), and there are probably more that we didn't hear about yet.

Somehow, you still want to trade Boldy for the inferior Turcotte.

I actually said I wouldn’t trade Boldy for Turcotte in this very thread

 

[Brett44]

He was drafted as a winger. I think that talking about draft slots when trying to determine who the more “talented” player is doesn’t really do much for you, either. Barzal went 10 picks after Zacha and we all know who the better player is. It’s nothing against Turcotte. I watched him over 15 times this year and Boldy over 30. I wasn’t impressed with Turcotte at all this year. I wasn’t overly high on him in his draft year, but I held out making any assertions because I hadn’t watched him enough.

What do you think about Newhook?

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Why not move Kopitar for a haul and embrace a total rebuild...Byfield/Turcotte/Vilardi down the middle is nasty...The foundation toward another cup run for LA

You need to insulate otherwise you end up like the Oilers. LA has the best prospect pool already and Kopitar, Doughty and Quick will be valuable in teaching the younger players. All 3 were elite franchise players with multiple cup wins.

 

[Stumbling Jack]

You need to insulate otherwise you end up like the Oilers. LA has the best prospect pool already and Kopitar, Doughty and Quick will be valuable in teaching the younger players. All 3 were elite franchise players with multiple cup wins.

Exactly was going to say this. These 3 players will be vital for the rebuild. Teaching the philosophy of playing 200 ft (Kings hockey) and sacrificing some scoring goes a long way. I don't care how much the game has "changed". This is still the main ingredient to winning cups and that's all that matters.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Exactly was going to say this. These 3 players will be vital for the rebuild. Teaching the philosophy of playing 200 ft (Kings hockey) and sacrificing some scoring goes a long way. I don't care how much the game has "changed". This is still the main ingredient to winning cups and that's all that matters.

Absolutely. LA out worked teams to the 1st Cup win. Talent is needed also but when you combined skill/systems/work ethic, you win. Something my Oilers can’t figure out

 

[Basilisk]

Byfield scares me a little. He’s plays a power game, not so much relying on his skill to be an elite OHL player. My worry is I don’t think he translates as well to the NHL as he won’t be able to manhandle defenseman like he does in Junior.

But the current league-wide trend is to draft D that are 5'9" & speedy, not 6'3" and brawny. I don't think 6'4" Byfield will have any trouble at all with the current NHL D......

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

But the current league-wide trend is to draft D that are 5'9" & speedy, not 6'3" and brawny. I don't think 6'4" Byfield will have any trouble at all with the current NHL D......

Byfield also isn't some 6'1 PWF bullying juniors, he's a skill guy in an even bigger body, there are only a handful of NHLers his size right now.

 

[kilowatt]

I can’t believe we’re suggesting that Byfield’s size might be a negative.

 

[Go Wings]

Turcotte to Detroit for Seider

LMAOO yah no

 

[Go Wings]

Alright Kings fans let's get something straight from a Detroit perspective you are not going to get Seider or the 4th overall pick for Turcotte. I have never understood the hype with him even less so after his average year and shitty WJC.

He might still develop into a 2nd line center someday but right now his value is not near the 4th overall pick in a deep draft and one of the best defense prospects in the league.

Detroit will pass on Turcotte for those insane prices.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Do the Kings draft Drysdale or a winger then? I thought Byfield was a lock.

Why would they want all of Kopitar, Turcotte, Byfield, and Vilardi? Seems like a waste

They would have to be the dumbest front office ever to pass up on either of Byfield/Stutzle to take a Dman that is available at 5

 

[Groo]

Alright Kings fans let's get something straight from a Detroit perspective you are not going to get Seider or the 4th overall pick for Turcotte. I have never understood the hype with him even less so after his average year and shitty WJC.

He might still develop into a 2nd line center someday but right now his value is not near the 4th overall pick in a deep draft and one of the best defense prospects in the league.

Detroit will pass on Turcotte for those insane prices.

In all fairness to Kings fans Mr Proclamation. I'm a Sharks fan

 

[TBF1972]

As a Kings fan, I definitely had questions regarding Vivaldi's health, to the point where I wasn't really counting on him, not only supporting his draft status, but making an NHL roster. However, his time with Ontario and the Kings answered both of those questions.

Players get injured in all sports, it happens. It's how they respond to injury that I look for. Kind of like La Freniere getting injured in the WJC, I was looking to see how he responded to that. And he did, big time. Right there, in my opinion he answered any question of being the best prospect in this draft class. I see that same attribute in Vilardi and I don't see the Kings trading home at this point.

i am not saying he is a worse player for being injured. i also fully believe he can help an nhl team win. LA just might not get full value in a trade because of his injury history.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Where does Boldy go in a redraft considering how talked up he has been. Its also strange how a "bad" season by Turcotte is still more production wise than what Boldy did on a better BC team.