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Confirmed with Link: Alex Newhook for 31st, 37th and Fairbrother

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Takeru said:
How has it shifted in any meaningful way though?

Has stated, it's Dach 2.0
We're targetting players still in the "prospect" stage with good draft pedigree hoping to unlock that potential.

Acquiring PLD would have been far more of a shift in paying significant assets and cap space for a more established player.

Don't see this trade as the rebuild ending one.
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It didn't shift one bit. They were perfectly transparent right from the get go that this is going to be what they try to do and they did by acquiring Barron, Heineman, Dach and Newhook.

The masturbation over draft picks is ridiculous. Bergevin hoarded those picks and much good did it do us.

People should go ahead and slam HuGo for faulty player evaluation if Barron, Heineman, Dach and Newhook turn to shit. Before that happens, they don't have a ground to stand on.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
I don't know how. Dach and Matheson, getting a 1st to take Monahan, picking Hutson, Beck, Engstrom, Slaf, hiring MSL, those show incompetence issues to you?
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The prospects/Slaf haven't done anything, but waaaaay too early.

Getting that 1st is nice and waaaay better than Bergevin, but missed on capitalizing on Monahan by having incompetent medical staff. They're gone and there's a chance now.

Matheson is good as he did better than Petry, but the probability of him being relevant when the Habs are ready to compete is low, so he needs to be dealt to capitalize on it.

Dach I liked and still seems good.

Hughes and Co are miles ahead of Bergevin, but they're giving excuses already why they're doing things they shouldn't be doing.

Still early, so hopefully everything works out and they get an absolute stud at 5, but what the Habs are trying to do isn't in line with a rebuild...
 
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I do think Hughes paid a lot in the trade, but in reality were likely going to win this trade 5 years down the road. Loved Newhook in 2019 draft was considered skilled, fast and a strong 2 way guy.

Newhook-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Monahan/Dach
 
Have we thought about Sakics position in all of this......I mean maybe the price was high because Joe really didn't want to part with Newhook quite yet?
 
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David Suzuki said:
as opposed to draft picks in the 30s which always hit lol
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It's a deep draft though, you're right late 1st round/early 2nd round picks don't always hit but two of them is too much for Newhook imo. Also, I don't understand why we had to get him now, why not just wait and see if there are better options available?

I'm just not feeling it for now but as usual, I'll wait and see what the player has to offer before calling this trade a total failure. I've been wrong before and I don't mind admitting it and giving credit when it happens.
 
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26Mats said:
If we play Hoffman and Armia over RHP and Ylonen, I don't know what I'm going to do.

There shouldn't be any room for those two in the lineup.
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Don’t you have to for good trade deadline returns?
 
This team is full of average 20-30 point bottom 6 players, and we go out of our way to acquire another one, makes zero sense,

This team still lacks top end talent, and no, it is not coming from the #5 pick
 
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Habs draft picks in the 20-40 range from 2010-2018:

Tinordi, Collberg, McCarron, De La Rose, Fucale, Scherbak, Juulsen, Poehling, Ylonen, and Romanov.

I know it’s a different management group but the Habs haven’t had great success with those draft picks, especially after pick 30.

I think it’s worth the gamble.
 
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Archijerej said:
People should go ahead and slam HuGo for faulty player evaluation if Barron, Heineman, Dach and Newhook turn to shit. Before that happens, they don't have a ground to stand on.
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I agree with your commentary, very astute but don’t forget about Mešar and Slafkovsky for the evaluation.
 
I trust Gorton and Hughes. Hughes knows this guy better than almost anyone. It's not like he's some scrub with no skill either, the guy has the potential to be a really good 2nd line winger.

He's not a center though. He'll be given every oportunity to develop under MSL on our 2nd line and as a winger where he should do much better.
 
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ReHabs said:
Who’s looking for instant stars?

This team needs high end talent in the skill positions. Having good value draft picks helps to acquire skillful players. Or you can trade for reclamation projects like Newhook, I don’t mind really. Just wondering what they see in Newhook that the Avs don’t see.

You cannot otherwise acquire skill players through the trade or free agent market, price is always too steep for a poverty franchise like ours that lacks skill in every position and depth in every position and can never afford to trade for premium players.
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Newhook is not a reclamation project.....you see, that's what I meant by wanting instant stars.
The guy played 2 seasons in the NHL and he's a reclamation project already....he's developping and Colorado was in a win now mode, not working of developping their players. If we were in a win now mode, it would be the same thing.

If you don't think that 16th overall Newhook is not skillfull player, you think you're going to get a mire skillfull player at 31st???

Gorton got skill through trade and the smart way to do it and take player like Newhook, Dach and developped them. Like he did with Fox and Zibanejad.

He's 9th in his draft year in terms of point....and this was a pretty good year, just behind Caufield and Dach

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WeThreeKings said:
As a draft junkie, you are obviously sad to see those picks go..

but Newhook was such a draft crush and I'd say contextually, his numbers in Colorado are really promising.

Great finisher, left shot, high end skater.. that adds a lot of pace and dimension up front. Historically our picks in those ranges have yielded as Poehling and Mathieu Carle.. on occasion it's been PK Subban so you never know, but you also have to consider where we are in our build.

They want to make good on the Suzuki/Dach/Caufield window so adding talent in that range without taking too much from the pick cupboard is still a really smart play and why not do what you did with Dach?

I would think that this opens the door for a trade down with Philly.

If you can turn 5 into 7 and 22, and turn Chiarot and a 2nd in Newhook? Leave with Reinbacher/Dvorsky/Leonard and someone at 22? How could you hate that?
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100% agreed with everything you said.

And earlier in the thread, while talking with @Skip Bayless, I mentioned that if Habs deal with Philly, move back two spots from 5th to 7th, but also pick up Philly's other 1st (22nd OA), then Habs get a second 1st round pick back,. And as far as I know, 22nd OA would be an improvement on 31st OA.

In that hypothetical move, to move back two spots in the Top-10, Habs end up moving up 9 spots for their second 1st round pick.
 
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If Newhook can put up a 45-50 point season next year I'd be happy. If his ceiling is a 55-60 winger a la Eberle that can be a threat due to his skating I'll be happy.
 
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