Alex Edler - Part II

[Goon42]

Im not sure Edler is top 30. He is somewhere in the 25-60 dmen, and it fluctuates. And he is only been better defensively with Tanev babysitting him.

Long list of dmen

Getting tired, but theres some more that are arguable.

And sorry Arsmaster but Edler-Tanev is not a top 3 pairing in the entire NHL.

You would not rather have:

Keith Seabrook
Giordano Brodie
Jbo Pietrangelo


And these are only from the west....

Edler is most definitely playing like a top 30 dman in the NHL this year. Strong list. Some of the dmen you would take over edler are completely laughable. Are you talking about this season alone or going forward? Because you seem to be flip flopping, not sure if serious here m8.

I agree with your point about edler not being a top dmen in the entire NHL (that is obvious) but man, you ended up going full sean avery at the end.

#teamedlersinceday1

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

This whole Edler being babysat by Tanev is going to keep happening til they get split up, isn't it?

 

[arsmaster*]

This whole Edler being babysat by Tanev is going to keep happening til they get split up, isn't it?

I guess so. I mean Tanev deserves credit for helping stabilize Edler and get his play back to the level it need to be, but people need to realize Edler is playing about 10% more of the game than Tanev is.

Those 4 minutes are pretty big.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

Well he's:

tied for 32nd in goals.
tied for 65th in assists
his +/- is good for 39th
his icetime is good for 18th in the league (24:20)

He plays tough minutes and comes out ahead, so he's probably in the same rank as his icetime suggests, inside the top 20.

THere are plenty of guys who are outscoring him who aren't as good. We're seeing a very good player this season.

Those stats for d-men only? If he could keep ramping up his scoring...

 

[arsmaster*]

Those stats for d-men only? If he could keep ramping up his scoring...

Yes only dmen. He's only got 15 points, so that puts him behind all the guys playing similar competition and producing more.

I wouldn't take a lot of the defensman outproducing him, but I'd take a lot of them over Edler if all things were equal.

 

[MS]

I guess so. I mean Tanev deserves credit for helping stabilize Edler and get his play back to the level it need to be, but people need to realize Edler is playing about 10% more of the game than Tanev is.

Those 4 minutes are pretty big.

The 3:17 difference is almost all PP time.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

He's on pace for not even 30 points despite being on a good powerplay all year long. While I am thrilled that he is playing great shutdown hockey, #1 defensemen must be able to contribute at both ends of the ice IMO.

Is he simply a defensive defenseman? Im beginning to think so.

He does.

Just not as much as he used to.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Im not sure Edler is top 30. He is somewhere in the 25-60 dmen, and it fluctuates. And he is only been better defensively with Tanev babysitting him.

Yeah, this is complete rubbish. Edler's resurgence is due to the plays he's making himself, not because he has a steady partner covering his mistakes.

 

[Verviticus]

I guess so. I mean Tanev deserves credit for helping stabilize Edler and get his play back to the level it need to be, but people need to realize Edler is playing about 10% more of the game than Tanev is.

Those 4 minutes are pretty big.

funny thing is, im pretty sure tanev could handle those minutes pretty easily at this point. maybe they're keeping them down a bit for contract negotiations lol

 

[Addison Rae]

Im not sure Edler is top 30. He is somewhere in the 25-60 dmen, and it fluctuates. And he is only been better defensively with Tanev babysitting him.

Dmen I would rather have on my team with little doubt:

Weber
Keith
Doughty
Seabrook
Pietrangelo
Shattenkirk
Subban
Karlsson
Giordano
Mcdonagh
Letang
Byfuglien

Younger ones where I would take them over Edler:

TJ Brodie
Ekblad
Hamilton
Hedman

Thats already 16...... With little doubt.


And then some I would also take. These are a bit closer.

Suter
Carlson
Josi
Seth Jones
Burns
Kronwall
Fowler

And then a bunch you can debate, but I will bold the ones I would take:

Vatanen
Yandle
Streit
Franson
Wideman
Barrie
Green
Faulk
Markov
Chara
Krug
E.Johnson
Brodin
Lindholm
Muzzin
Goligoski
Maata
OEL
Leddy
Dekeyser
Ellis
Garrison
Vlasic
Scandella
Boychuk
Trouba
Ehrhoff
Enstrom
Hamonic
Alzner
Bogosian

Getting tired, but theres some more that are arguable.

And sorry Arsmaster but Edler-Tanev is not a top 3 pairing in the entire NHL.

You would not rather have:

Keith Seabrook
Giordano Brodie
Jbo Pietrangelo


And these are only from the west....

Some of these names are just ridiculous, please oh please tell me how guys like Maatta, Muzzin, Lindholm, Markov, Barrie, Vatanen and Jones are anywhere near as good as Edler right now.

And yes arsmaster is correct, the only pairing that has rivaled Edler / Tanev this year is Gio / Brodie. Yes the other two pairings have bigger names, but they simply haven't been as effective as Edler / Tanev this year.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

and whoever plays with Shattenkirk

 

[TheWanderer]

The 3:17 difference is almost all PP time.

Which Edler has been less than stellar on, to be fair.. but I agree with the main point. Tanev and Edler compliment each other well. Edler isn't being babysat, he's making just as many great defensive plays as Tanev. For each time Tanev bails Edler out for a boneheaded gaff, Edler bails Tanev out after being out-muscled.

 

[Verviticus]

haha youd take muzzin over him?

that list is a great example of "nobody knows how to rate a defenceman"

 

[Tiranis]

This whole Edler being babysat by Tanev is going to keep happening til they get split up, isn't it?

To be fair, Edler has already played like a 120 5-on-5 minutes without Tanev and done better in them than Tanev. Ultimately, they're both a lot better together.

Don't think it really matters whether he's top 10 or top 30 or top 60 though. He's still a top 2 guy on a team that has 3 competent top 4 defensemen — not someone you should be trading.

 

[Addison Rae]

and whoever plays with Shattenkirk

Kevin Shattenkirk is playing ridiculously easy minutes, I wouldn't put his pairing over Edler / Tanev at all.

 

[Barney Gumble]

Which Edler has been less than stellar on, to be fair.. but I agree with the main point. Tanev and Edler compliment each other well. Edler isn't being babysat, he's making just as many great defensive plays as Tanev. For each time Tanev bails Edler out for a boneheaded gaff, Edler bails Tanev out after being out-muscled.

The thing with Tanev is...I think even a pairing of Sbisa-Tanev could work. That's what makes him so valuable. Pretty much put him with anybody.

 

[TheWanderer]

The thing with Tanev is...I think even a pairing of Sbisa-Tanev could work. That's what makes him so valuable. Pretty much put him with anybody.

Don't get me wrong - nobody is disputing Tanev's value. He is the derp]pen[/derpultimate #2. My point was simply that Edler is making the plays he makes - he is playing great. Whether it's because Tanev is beside him is neither here nor there in that regard. Edler is still doing what he is doing.

A Sbisa - Tanev pair, for example, would have Tanev bailing Sbisa out regularly, and in no way do I imagine that pairing shutting down lines like we've seen with Edler and Tanev. Last year is a great example, where Tanev was practically overworked while he babysat [insert d-man here] last season, because he was really the only shining star.

Tanev has been great, but let's not take away from what Edler has done this season. Feel free to look at the Edler threads from the last two years - I was driving the bus on the trade Edler front. I'm glad I was wrong - as I said I would be. He's having a fantastic season.

 

[Verviticus]

He is the penultimate #2.

????

 

[TheWanderer]

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oops. multitasking

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

He is the penultimate #2.

????

there are only three

 

[TheWanderer]

there are only three

I guess so

 

[me2]

The thing with Tanev is...I think even a pairing of Sbisa-Tanev could work. That's what makes him so valuable. Pretty much put him with anybody.

Is there anybody who didn't get better playing with him? (proper minutes not 3 or 5 or 10 small sample sizes). Guys a freak at it.

 

[Pip]

The thing with Tanev is...I think even a pairing of Sbisa-Tanev could work. That's what makes him so valuable. Pretty much put him with anybody.

Did we ever try him with Cam Barker?

 

[kanucks25]

The 3:17 difference is almost all PP time.

Beat me to it

Which Edler has been less than stellar on, to be fair.. but I agree with the main point. Tanev and Edler compliment each other well. Edler isn't being babysat, he's making just as many great defensive plays as Tanev. For each time Tanev bails Edler out for a boneheaded gaff, Edler bails Tanev out after being out-muscled.

Yeah... I don't see that really happening much.

Same way I didn't see Tanev getting injured much when people were afraid he was soft and injury prone because he took hits along the boards.

 

[alternate]

My personal definition for a #1 dman is a player who is good in all situations: 5v5 OwnZone, 5v5 DZ, 5v4, 4v5, 6v5, 5v6.

Would Edler be a top 30 choice around the league in all those situations (aka a "true" #1)? Probably not, but I think he'd be top 30 in most of them the way he's currently playing, and the ones he wouldn't be (PP, 6v5) he probably be top 60, making him still top pairing. He's not a franchise level #1, but right now he's playing like a legit #1, albeit a lower end one.

Tanev has also been very good, and as a pairing they've been great. Edler has been the better player though, by a good step.