Traded Alex DeBrincat (signs 4 years, $7.875M AAV) for Dominik Kubalik, Donovan Sebrango, cond. 2024 or 2025 1st (DET or BOS), 2024 4th

[Answer]

Thats nonsense. If he wanted to get paid like a 40 goal scorer, why didn’t he?

Because of his down year here in Ottawa and his lack of finishing ability being exposed on countless occasions. Still he knew Ottawa would not be able to sign him even at 7million

Maybe he just doesn't like playing in Canada, or a small City? I still have to see anything he said negative towards the organization or the Team, unless I missing anything?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Because of his down year here in Ottawa and his lack of finishing ability being exposed on countless occasions. Still he knew Ottawa would not be able to sign him even at 7million

Maybe he just doesn't like playing in Canada, or a small City? I still have to see anything he said negative towards the organization or the Team, unless I missing anything?

What is your source for this? This seems made up.

Every indication for pretty much the full year had Dorion willing to pony up big time with another 8x8 type deal and he was publicly disappointed he wouldn't extend.

 

[Answer]

What is your source for this? This seems made up.

Every indication for pretty much the full year had Dorion willing to pony up big time with another 8x8 type deal and he was publicly disappointed he wouldn't extend.

The point I am trying to make is that DeBrincat not wanting to play in Ottawa seems like a person reason (not related with the Organization/Team), and, if not then it would be a business related reason

There is nothing that suggestions that he has something against the Organization

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The point I am trying to make is that DeBrincat not wanting to play in Ottawa seems like a person reason (not related with the Organization/Team), and, if not then it would be a business related reason

There is nothing that suggestions that he has something against the Organization

Sure, that I agree with. He hasn't said anything worth caring about. I just dispute that he left for financial/cap reasons. From all accounts, he could have doubled his term and made the same or more per year in Ottawa. If he was sticky on 4 years, that wouldn't have been a sticking point for a team offering 8 years.

 

[JD1]

He said nothing against the organization. Not sure what is the fuss about?

He wanted to get paid as 40 goal scorer and he knew Ottawa did not have the cap space, so he signed with a team that did

End of Story

I liked @NyQuil 's elegant response but I'll play along with you.

I think he wanted to BE a 40 goal scorer but realized playing behind Tkachuk and possibly even on PP2 with Norris's return that he wasn't going to be

But I do think part of making that trade had to do with revitalizing the market

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

He said nothing against the organization. Not sure what is the fuss about?

He wanted to get paid as 40 goal scorer and he knew Ottawa did not have the cap space, so he signed with a team that did

End of Story

Ottawa allegedly offered more term and money to Debrincat than Detroit did no?

I think if anyone followed along last season he didn't want to be here at all and wanted to be closer to home hence why he took less term and less money.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Ottawa allegedly offered more term and money to Debrincat than Detroit did no?

I think if anyone followed along last season he didn't want to be here at all and wanted to be closer to home hence why he took less term and less money.

I think he expected to get more term and money on a different team but the bridge here was burned as that all played out, he had to sign for less in the end but at least he went to his childhood team

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I think he expected to get more term and money on a different team but the bridge here was burned as that all played out, he had to sign for less in the end but at least he went to his childhood team

I honestly don't really have a problem with how he handled things and I won't have any issues if fans boo him either.

He was traded here without say and it was to a place he had no or very little desire to commit to. Could he have handled it differently? Sure. He could've been like Duchene and say all the right things but upped and left anyways.

 

[NyQuil]

I honestly don't really have a problem with how he handled things and I won't have any issues if fans boo him either.

He was traded here without say and it was to a place he had no or very little desire to commit to. Could he have handled it differently? Sure. He could've been like Duchene and say all the right things but upped and left anyways.

I'm going to show up with a big sign that says "Ottawa loves and misses you Alex!" and see what happens to me.

In all seriousness though, he's a footnote in a flawed season.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't blame ADB ... He is allowed to want to play closer to home and he likely had some family pressures that way.

The trade to acquire him was very ill conceived and really was not to the betterment of the team from the start. Paid a high enough price to get him and got less a year later in the return. No one should be surprised at that. Extending him to what we reportedly offered would have been adding another mistake on top of the 1st mistake.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Booing him is just part of the fun. That's about where it'll end. I agree with him basically being a footnote to a lost season.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Trade Kubalik please.

 

[Senscore]

Korchinski -> DeBrincat -> Kubalik -> Cap Relief

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Korchinski -> DeBrincat -> Kubalik -> Cap Relief -> Dorion fired (hopefully)

 

[HSF]

people who thought Tarasenko was better LOL

 

[Hale The Villain]

Trade Kubalik please.

If they pay someone to take on Joseph instead I'll be pissed.

Trading Kubalik is the right decision and should have been done immediately after signing Tarasenko, not now.

 

[ottawagm]

Kubalik + Brannstrom + 2nd -> RHD

 

[DrEasy]

Kubalik + Brannstrom + 2nd -> RHD

Sure, but the RHD also needs to be cheap enough to make room for Pinto. Don't think you can find such a mythical creature at that price.

edit: OK, maybe Dante Fabbro? Makes $2.5M this year, and is a RFA after that. But I don't see why Nashville would want to trade him, and why they'd want Brannstrom and/or Kubalik back in such a trade.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I have an inside source that has told me Dorion never intended to re-sign Debrincat, the source is called mathemetics.

Dorion offered Tarasenko (Debrincat's replacement) 5.5M long term. Pinto was apparently offered 2Mx2. So in some sort of alternate universe where Tarasenko either accepted that long term deal, or sings one in January, that gives the Senators only about 6 million of cap space with a 17 player roster. Where is the other 3M+ for Debrincat coming from?

You have to keep in mind that most NHL teams project forward. So they knew at the start of last year that if Sanderson was what they though the was, he would cost 5M-6M on a bridge or 8M-9M long term. The Senators haven't had any surprise breakouts who forced their hand cap wise. Everything basically went according to plan. So it doesn't make sense that they would somehow peg Debrincat in at 8M-9M, which is what he'd likely take in Ottawa.

Although, based on how Dorion has operated so far, maybe the plan was to play with a 7 skater roster.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I have an inside source that has told me Dorion never intended to re-sign Debrincat, the source is called mathemetics.

Dorion offered Tarasenko (Debrincat's replacement) 5.5M long term. Pinto was apparently offered 2Mx2. So in some sort of alternate universe where Tarasenko either accepted that long term deal, or sings one in January, that gives the Senators only about 6 million of cap space with a 17 player roster. Where is the other 3M+ for Debrincat coming from?

You have to keep in mind that most NHL teams project forward. So they knew at the start of last year that if Sanderson was what they though the was, he would cost 5M-6M on a bridge or 8M-9M long term. The Senators haven't had any surprise breakouts who forced their hand cap wise. Everything basically went according to plan. So it doesn't make sense that they would somehow peg Debrincat in at 8M-9M, which is what he'd likely take in Ottawa.

Although, based on how Dorion has operated so far, maybe the plan was to play with a 7 skater roster.

Kubalik's 2.5 is gone if Debrincat stayed.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Kubalik's 2.5 is gone if Debrincat stayed.

I am not projecting for this year, I am projecting for next year and beyond. The calculations in my previous post do not account for Brannstrom or Kubalik re-signing. They both likely would have to be replaced by 775k type players, and the Senators still wouldn't be able to ice a full roster.

The Senators were never going to pay another winger superstar money. It doesn't make any sense on paper or strategically. Sanderson was already expected to be a top pairing defenseman out of the gate and had a few years to further develop. At the time they traded for Debrincat, they already likely projected the possibility of Sanderson costing anywhere from 6M-9M after his ELC.

From day one it was obvious the move wasn't about finding someone who is a long-term fit. It was about bringing in a star and energizing the fanbase during the sale process, and adding a rental to try and push for playoffs. Except, unlike with a player on a 1 year contract, Dorion likely felt he had the fallback of flipping Debrincat for comparable assets with an extension as an RFA, but that didn't work out, the Senators got a lot less.

The math never checked out. Nor did the idea that a team was going to drop 8M-9M on another winger.

 

[mianjo]

DBC with 2g 1a so far tonight

 

[K1900L]

Who would have guessed that playing him with a capable center could potentially be fruitful.
Still don't know why the Sens didn't give him an actual chance to form chemistry with Stützle. He would have been gone this summer anyway, but probably for a better compensation.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

How do people feel about the DeBrincat acquisition as it was at the 2022 Draft now?

Do it again.. or Make another deal like for another more affordable player e.g. Kirby Dach or Take the picks

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Who would have guessed that playing him with a capable center could potentially be fruitful.
Still don't know why the Sens didn't give him an actual chance to form chemistry with Stützle. He would have been gone this summer anyway, but probably for a better compensation.

He didn't want to play here at all. He gave little to no effort during his time here.

Dude is a punk, can't wait to boo him.