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Alec Martinez Extension Talk

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Preliminary talks have begun between the Kings and pending UFA blueliner Alec Martinez's agent, Alex Schall.

Jake Muzzin recently signed a new deal that will pay him $4 million a season starting next year. The sense is the Kings would like to get Martinez below Muzzin's $4-million AAV; the Martinez camp have comparables that suggest he’s worth $4 million or more -- at least on the open market.

Martinez wants to sign an extension and remain with the Kings, there’s no question about it, but the knowledge that he could score big on a weak July 1 UFA market is something that’s a reality in case talks don’t progress with the Kings.

The expectation is that the Kings will step up efforts in talks over the next two-or-three weeks to try and get something done.

Given how well the Kings have handled contract talks with their players over the past couple of years, my guess is that they find a happy medium here and get this done. But it’s certainly an interesting one, especially when you consider that RFAs Tanner Pearson and Tyler Toffoli will be due raises from their expiring entry-level deals as well. Lots of moving parts here for the Kings.
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I say it'll take between $3M to $3.5M to lock Martinez up to a long-term deal.
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6 yrs 20 million sounds great for both sides imo depending on how much he does want to stay.
 
love to hear this, especially knowing this might be our Dman corp going forward...
Doughty-Muzzin
McNabb-Voynov(unless he's traded over the past 1.5 year performance)
Greene-Martinez
 
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
 
Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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Nothing has been signed; and like the article suggested, weak free agent pool. He can make over 4.5 million from a team like Buffalo.
Of course Dean wants to keep him, we all would like him to stay. How badly does Martinez want to stay here with two rings ( maybe 3? ;) ) if the offer out there was over 1.5 million more on average?
 
Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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I wanted AMart re-signed and thought after last years playoffs he would for sure be signed, but realistically it seems the Kings are going to hope he will take less than market value or just let him walk, they can't afford to pay him $4.5 million, and re-sign Kopitar and re-sign Toffoli and Pearson, the cap space just in't going to be there.

I'm still a bit surprised that Lombardi has let the team be so hamstrung by the cap when he could have bought himself plenty of cap space to re-sign all his key players with one move last summer.

We will see though.
 
Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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I havent gone anywhere. I'm pleasantly surprised by the news, but it remains to be seen if he'll stick around. I remember the "Player Discussion: Rob Scuderi Extension" thread.

I will be watching Martinez and how he handles his increased role and ice time closer than ever.
 
Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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I'm right here. Still don't think anything gets done UNLESS someone else gets moved this year. Feel free to quote me on that all year. Even more so if it's magically less than 4 million.
 
Herby said:
I wanted AMart re-signed and thought after last years playoffs he would for sure be signed, but realistically it seems the Kings are going to hope he will take less than market value or just let him walk, they can't afford to pay him $4.5 million, and re-sign Kopitar and re-sign Toffoli and Pearson, the cap space just in't going to be there.

I'm still a bit surprised that Lombardi has let the team be so hamstrung by the cap when he could have bought himself plenty of cap space to re-sign all his key players with one move last summer.

We will see though.
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Why do people keep bringing up Kopitar? He still has another year to go and the Kings can't even begin to talk about a contract with him until next hockey season starts. His extension won't even count on the cap for 2 and a half years until 2016-2017 season.
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
Why do people keep bringing up Kopitar? He still has another year to go and the Kings can't even begin to talk about a contract with him until next hockey season starts. His extension won't even count on the cap for 2 and a half years until 2016-2017 season.
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Because it has an effect on everyone else, the Kings can't just pay Martinez and everyone else full value on multi year deals knowing they will need to sign Kopitar down the road.

GM's don't operate on a year to year basis with the cap, or atleast the good ones don't.

Lombardi has a plan to free up the space, I thought it would be something different than it's actually going to be. If he is indeed trying to re-sign Martinez after re-signing Muzzin and not buying out Richards, I don't think it bodes well for Stoll and Williams.
 
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Herby said:
Because it has an effect on everyone else, the Kings can't just pay Martinez and everyone else full value on multi year deals knowing they will need to sign Kopitar down the road.

GM's don't operate on a year to year basis with the cap, or atleast the good ones don't.
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Yes but by the time Kopitar's next cap hit goes on the cap. The cap will have grown twice in that span, which would help relive pervious cap problems. So it's not that big of a deal right now.
 
Herby said:
Because it has an effect on everyone else, the Kings can't just pay Martinez and everyone else full value on multi year deals knowing they will need to sign Kopitar down the road.

GM's don't operate on a year to year basis with the cap, or atleast the good ones don't.

Lombardi has a plan to free up the space, I thought it would be something different than it's actually going to be. If he is indeed trying to re-sign Martinez after re-signing Muzzin and not buying out Richards, I don't think it bodes well for Stoll and Williams.
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Not buying out Richards was a decision Lombardi made well ahead of time with Stoll in mind. Williams has likely earned a retirement contract after the CS, but keeping Richards basically forces Stoll out. Can't justify a combined 25 million cap hit for your centers down the line.

Also, I don't think Lombardi sweats bullets over Martinez with Mckeown in the system.
 
I think he will want at least an identical contract to Muzzin, he could probably get 5+ as a free agent.
 
I think he will walk just because it's not a great UFA year. I hope to be very wrong about that.
 
Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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Problem has always been the cap... 4-3M coming from somewhere else.

EDIT: Maybe this means Lombardi thinks Voynov is going to defect to Russia to escape persecution and his cap will come off the books!!!!!
disclaimer: Joke
 
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Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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I've always said the Kings want to keep him but won't be able to due to cap reasons. Someone will throw stupid money at him and he and his agent know it. Now if he decides he doesn't want to go after that money and will except 3.5M we'd be really dumb to not make it work somehow.
 
Still here, I still think A-Mart walks, Just because the Kings want to resign A-Mart below market value. Doesn't mean A-Mart will.

No Contract has been signed.
 
Can we please change the thread title to Jazz Hands Extension talk?

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Ron said:
But, but, but......

Where are all those posters now that said Martinez is gonna walk? Or the Kings are gonna let him walk?

Stand up and be heard now, posters!
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I only remember some guessing that Martinez would be too expensive to keep, and honestly, that might still happen. I hope not. The Kings haven't been getting a puck possession edge from Greene by himself.

Management has seen that Martinez gives them an element on the third pairing that most teams don't have. Plus he can serve in the top 4 in a pinch. I really hope they get this done.

Also, I don't think Lombardi sweats bullets over Martinez with Mckeown in the system.
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McKeown is 18 years old, though. I think it's more realistic to expect him to be ready in 4 or 5 years.
 
Nick Ebert is the more logical replacement for A-Mart. Similar games and build. Also Ebert is playing his first Pro season this year.
 
Asheru said:
I only remember some guessing that Martinez would be too expensive to keep, and honestly, that might still happen. I hope not. The Kings haven't been getting a puck possession edge from Greene by himself.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember that many posters were saying (or implying) that the Kings weren't even going to bother with this guy, that "they were just going to let him walk."

Well, clearly that isn't the case. Now they are saying "I still believe Martinez will walk."

Well, hell. The article itself said Martinez wants to stay. He's authorized his agent to start negotiating. It's OCTOBER.

And June is NINE months away.
 
Ron said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember that many posters were saying (or implying) that the Kings weren't even going to bother with this guy, that "they were just going to let him walk."

Well, clearly that isn't the case. Now they are saying "I still believe Martinez will walk."

Well, hell. The article itself said Martinez wants to stay. He's authorized his agent to start negotiating. It's OCTOBER.

And June is NINE months away.
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What? why would the Kings "not bother with him"?

The consensus was mostly about how he'd be too expensive to be retained.
 
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