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That’s encouraging to hear from Brock.
Oh wait, that’s a quote from Tavares before he left. Never mind.
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That’s encouraging to hear from Brock.
Oh wait, that’s a quote from Tavares before he left. Never mind.
periferal
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Here's the problem...
The Isles roster is both broken and stuck. I'd so much rather admit that then keep trying to do the same thing over and over again. This team is nowhere near a Cup with Nelson at #2C...So we should bring him back again next year and be nowhere near a Cup again (and again, and again, and again)? When does it stop? Doing the same broken thing over and over makes so much less sense than trying to do something new - Even if new means it's going to get very ugly in the short-term.
At some point you have to stop trying to fix a pipe with duct tape and actually replace the pipe. Lou simply keeps adding non difference making players to this roster, and then signing bad contract after bad contract. Meanwhile the results on ice are stagnant at best. If we don't get rid of Lou guess where the 25-26 Islanders are going to be in the standings a year from now?
So I'd much rather (get rid of Lou), get young assets from Nelson/Palmieri, not have a good #2 center next year, and possibly be in a race to get McKenna, Belchetz, or Roobroeck...Then run everything back for thr 4th year in a row and know that we're a fringe playoff team at best (with less good assets in the organization).
If you want to win a Cup then I literally think it's insane to keep things as they are. I'd rather be the last place team in the league and have a chance at drafting the true future difference-makers at 18 then just missing the playoffs year after year as one of the older teams in the league (with basically no farm system to give hope for the future).
I legit don't know how anyone who wants to win a Cup could argue for Lou to come back and keep doing what he's been doing. If Trotz never came here this team might not have made the playoffs in the 6 years under Lou. We're seeing that bare out now when Lou doesn't have a Hall of Fame coach to overcome his repeat GM mistakes.
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IslesNorway
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Nelson should be traded no matter what. Heck, they might even offer him a new deal in the summer, but by all means trade him now. The Islanders desperately need the assets and if Nelson really wants to stick around he might take a lesser deal in the summer. If not, then at least they got assets in return.
doublechili
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And why we should put basically zero stock in anything we read until the thing actually happens, one way or the other.
doublechili
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I wonder what it would take to get the WAS 1st round pick in 2026.
Maybe they'll surprise again, but I also wonder if that pick could end up being a high one? Not that I see Lou sending anything to a divisional rival at the TDL, but maybe at the draft?
Maybe they'll surprise again, but I also wonder if that pick could end up being a high one? Not that I see Lou sending anything to a divisional rival at the TDL, but maybe at the draft?
The part that was left out of the quotes we have been reading.
It does not change my mind about the fear of losing him for nothing, however he does mention about his Kids being settled in Long Island....
“Everything will sort itself out. Lou a great guy. I love playing for him. He’s a great guy. He’s given me a great opportunity the last seven years. He’s an influential guy in hockey in general. My agent has a great relationship with him and communicates with him and I know everything will kinda sort itself out.”
“Being familiar with the Island, different things and kids are settled down there, that’s a factor for sure,” Nelson said.
It does not change my mind about the fear of losing him for nothing, however he does mention about his Kids being settled in Long Island....
“Everything will sort itself out. Lou a great guy. I love playing for him. He’s a great guy. He’s given me a great opportunity the last seven years. He’s an influential guy in hockey in general. My agent has a great relationship with him and communicates with him and I know everything will kinda sort itself out.”
“Being familiar with the Island, different things and kids are settled down there, that’s a factor for sure,” Nelson said.
No doubt we have added a lot more speed in to the lineup, especially short burst acceleration which the NHL EDGE model favors.Not to detract from the Brock and Noah Show, but apparently we're the 12th fastest skating team in the league (the chart goes slowest at the top to fastest at the bottom):
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I'd hate to see the 20 teams behind us.
Seriously, I get that this is a measurement of bursts and not necessarily true speed, but OTOH I'd guess that COL and EDM were the fastest teams in the league and they're #1 and #3 here, so....
I’m sure it’s considered, but deciding factor? Many kids have been uprooted for less, and they’re young.
Sign up before the deadline or enjoy your next stop for playoff push. Can always check in again July for free agency
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And surprise surprise since adding speed the team had the best month of the entire season.
impaaaaaact
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impaaaaaact
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I mean, we’re gonna get like the 25th pick in a weak draft and some B- prospect. Trading Nelson isn’t going to save the franchise or anything - the return won’t be a third of what we could’ve gotten for Tavares and I think it’s dangerous to constantly compare the two without making that distinction.
Is it better to get something for nothing if he’s definitely leaving? Yes, you 100% trade him if he won’t re-sign. Will signing him to a 3 year deal ruin the franchise? No, and it would probably be like the 7th most questionable Lou contract.
But all that being said, it seems like Lou is on that same page… he’s not going to let him walk, and I don’t think Nelson is signing here. So we’ll get that late pick and that Bednarik type guy and everyone will be happy
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periferal
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Nelson was the 30th pick overall.
Also if Lou is smart he'd ask for a 2026 pick.
And again...It's not about getting a 1st round pick - It's about getting assets for Nelson. You could turn around a flip that 1st + more for a much better/younger player.
Not sure what you mean by "ruin the franchise," but this is a team that survived Milbury, Snow, Wang, and a fake owner, so not too worried about them existing.
That said once again...The Isles are NOT winning a Cup while Nelson is still a good player. In sports when "inches" could decide a playoff spot, or even the Cup itself, I want my franchise to have every possible advantage it can, and getting a 1st+ for a player that is already fading and won't bring us a Cup is beyond a no-brainer.
Any other GM in the league we would not be having this conversation as we'd know Nelson would be out the door, but with our GM who obsesses over facial hair, low jersey numbers, and not announcing signings to his own fanbase, I won't believe Lou is "on the same page" until he actually deals Nelson (and Palmieri).
This is the same human being who let an "in his prime" Zach Parise walk from the Devils for nothing, so I won't believe any deal will happen...Until it happens.
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There’s probably zero chance of it happening in season and even in the offseason there’s probably little chance, but I wonder how open to a Dobson/Tkachuk trade Ottawa would be? I know there were murmurs about the Rangers being interested in him but those got shot down pretty heavily, however it seems like there’s been some smoke even outside of that in the last year or so. Ottawa is pretty set on LD but weak on RD and Tkachuk has a NMC that kicks in this upcoming July 1st. Could be a trade that makes a ton of sense for both teams, but I admittedly don’t know a ton about Ottawa’s situation right now.
LeapOnOver
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These are the types of posts from you that drive me crazy. You say something like the above in bold and then treat it as an indisputable fact that drives the whole rest of your narrative saying there is an "obvious" path to take. I have one question for you: Can you predict the future? If you are sane, and the answer is no, then just admit that there's no obvious path to take, just the one you want them to take based on your opinion. Don't treat your opinion as fact....it's not.
There's a team that is right up there for the president's trophy that fans thought was dead in the water and they lost their number 1 center for nothing. The people that think that Brock Nelson would be a fine 2C for another couple years and if signed for the right money could transition to an excellent 3C as the cap goes up are thinking just as logically as ones that want to get assets for him now. Neither party is going off of anything other than their opinion.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
I read a really weird response on either Reddit or some other outlet where the guy claimed to know intimately what happened in Vancouver. I'm not going to really share it here in its entirety, because so much BS on the internet who knows and HFboards doesn't really like unfounded information. What I read centered around JT Miller being a homophobe and Pettersson preferring male company when it comes to intimacy. The scene in question took place at a club they all like to hang out in. They gave some specific details, but it easily could have all been fiction. Who knows....
impaaaaaact
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I saw that post, it definitely wasn’t saying Petterson is gay lol. Just that he didn’t like being called what Miller was calling him, and apparently their management didn’t like it either.
Regardless, looks like he might be back to normal now. If he is, seems like Vancouver made the right move
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
The post didn't say he was, but for sure said that some people thought he might be and Miller was using the slur for someone of that sexual preference. So maybe we didn't see the same post.
my gut says he'll eventually want to play alongside his brother so I'd always be concerned over that .
Nelson:
My gut instinct is that he remains an Islander. I dunno how it'll look or when we'll find out about it but as long as Lou is the GM, I'm thinking Nelson is seen as one of the 3 most vital player assets in this organization.
For better or worse.
What I think would be ideal?:
Lou is able to move him by the deadline for a current young NHLer with upside, a very solid prospect, and a pick, be it a late 1st or projected early 2nd. Then Nelson is simply re-signed to a 3-year contract on July 1st that would likely reflect his market value and the jump in cap space, thus 3 years for 22.5 MM.
SIDENOTE:
If a deal takes place, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Nelson goes to... Detroit. I could see Yzerman being ready to get a little more uppity in his offer, namely something like W Berggren, C Danielson, D Shai Buium, and DET 2025 1st and 3rd. In light of their current renaissance and all the prospects they have, the organization would have much to profit from not only making the playoffs, but perhaps getting out of Round 1. Also, Nelson has wee bit of a history playing with Larkin at WCs - and it always looked good.
Just a thought in the back of my mind.
My gut instinct is that he remains an Islander. I dunno how it'll look or when we'll find out about it but as long as Lou is the GM, I'm thinking Nelson is seen as one of the 3 most vital player assets in this organization.
For better or worse.
What I think would be ideal?:
Lou is able to move him by the deadline for a current young NHLer with upside, a very solid prospect, and a pick, be it a late 1st or projected early 2nd. Then Nelson is simply re-signed to a 3-year contract on July 1st that would likely reflect his market value and the jump in cap space, thus 3 years for 22.5 MM.
SIDENOTE:
If a deal takes place, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Nelson goes to... Detroit. I could see Yzerman being ready to get a little more uppity in his offer, namely something like W Berggren, C Danielson, D Shai Buium, and DET 2025 1st and 3rd. In light of their current renaissance and all the prospects they have, the organization would have much to profit from not only making the playoffs, but perhaps getting out of Round 1. Also, Nelson has wee bit of a history playing with Larkin at WCs - and it always looked good.
Just a thought in the back of my mind.
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impaaaaaact
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So something like the 18th and 82nd pick in this draft, a recent top 10 selection and another two recent top 40 picks? 20 years of team control for a little more than 20 games of Brock Nelson? We would be lucky to get Beggren and a first.
Mr Misunderstood
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It sure sounds like Brock wants to stay but understands where the Isles are in the standings and his worth to the organization.
If you had 4 kids and have been living in the same area for your entire adult life, wouldn't you want to stay?
Me thinking as a shrewd GM, use that knowledge against him...trade him away for assets now and try to re-sign him on July 1st.
Me thinking as a loyal GM (I feel like this is Lou), sign him for a shorter term deal because he is an impact for your team, has been a good soldier, and make him and his family lifetime Islanders.
If you had 4 kids and have been living in the same area for your entire adult life, wouldn't you want to stay?
Me thinking as a shrewd GM, use that knowledge against him...trade him away for assets now and try to re-sign him on July 1st.
Me thinking as a loyal GM (I feel like this is Lou), sign him for a shorter term deal because he is an impact for your team, has been a good soldier, and make him and his family lifetime Islanders.
Ye of little faith.
If Nelson is made available, hardly another center on the market will be more coveted and a good 5+ teams in the hunt who just need that impactful #2 center.
If all Lou would get back is a young NHLer like Berggren and a mid to late 1st, then that would likely be entirely on him. There'd be better pitches made.
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