Alec Baldwin Fatally Shoots Crewmember on Film Set

[HanSolo]

Yea you’re right, Baldwin will get off scott free because of his status but the normal joe would easily be seeing jail time. Involuntary manslaughter is a very real and serious charge.

Involuntary manslaughter would be very hard to prove here. The charge is linked to criminal negligence which is a much higher bar to reach than civil negligence. You basically have to prove that Alec acted in a dangerously careless way. It's hard to say that in the process of filming a movie involving prop guns, that an accidental misfire killing someone was dangerously careless. Maybe in the scope of his duties as producer you can allege that he didn't ensure that safe prop guns were utilized but that would go more to wrongful death in a negligence lawsuit. And that goes for anyone on set the only way you can prove involuntary manslaughter on anyone's part is if someone knew that the prop gun posed a threat to kill someone and didn't replace it. And even then you're not entirely likely to secure a conviction. Civil liability is almost certain here. Criminal liability is unlikely.

I don't see criminal negligence here.

 

[Ben Grimm]

... Bet chit stain Alex wasn't tested for drugs/alcohol. Sorry hope this douche gets fried.

Geez, you've only made 61 posts and you've already made this turd. Please come back to reality. You have absolutely no idea how film sets or the legal system work.

 

[beowulf]

Well this is interesting

Alec Baldwin shooting: Assistant director on 'Rust' was subject of complaints dating back to 2019 - CNN

An assistant director on the film set of "Rust" was the subject of complaints over safety and his behavior on set during two productions in 2019, two people who worked closely with him tell CNN.
The complaints against assistant director Dave Halls include a disregard for safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics use, blocked fire lanes and exits, and instances of inappropriately sexual behavior in the workplace.

Halls was identified in court documents as the assistant director who handed actor Alec Baldwin a prop firearm, which when fired struck cinematographer Halyna Hutchins with a live round. Hutchins was later pronounced dead at a New Mexico hospital.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

You do not test a gun to see if it loaded by shooting it, you open it up and check it. Take the bullets out to see what is in it. That has got to be one of the most moronic post I have ever read, really shoot a gun at the floor to see if it loaded. How could you even think that would make sense to do?

I have never handled a gun in my life... maybe that's why? Not everybody is ballistic expert that being said I thought they never used real bullets for movie. How could a "loaded gun" ever been used ever? That is the most ridiculous thing of all that.

Thank you for the information but your comment are very condescending and very offensive. Why you have to use personal attack? Grow up!

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

I have never handled a gun in my life... maybe that's why? Not everybody is ballistic expert that being said I thought they never used real bullets for movie. How could a "loaded gun" ever been used ever? That is the most ridiculous thing of all that.

Thank you for the information but your comment are very condescending and very offensive. Why you have to use personal attack? Grow up!

In your defence, I own a .22 caliber bolt action single shot rifle that has no safety and once cocked, can only be unloaded by pulling the trigger. So, while those types of guns are rare, that is a gun that can only be checked if it's loaded or not (once it's cocked back) by firing it.

 

[Beau Knows]

In your defence, I own a .22 caliber bolt action single shot rifle that has no safety and once cocked, can only be unloaded by pulling the trigger. So, while those types of guns are rare, that is a gun that can only be checked if it's loaded or not (once it's cocked back) by firing it.

I also wonder if it really is a good idea for the actors to be checking the guns themselves anyways? There should be a gun safety expert on set, preparing/inspecting the prop gun every single time it's handled. Wouldn't it make more sense for that person to ensure that it's safe with the actor watching, and then all the actor does is handle the gun exactly the way they are told to in the scene? I'd be interested in knowing what the standard procedure is.

 

[Canucky]

Hey Beau. Have any firearm experience? Read the armourer was scared to load blanks into prop guns. That's pathetic.

 

[Beau Knows]

Hey Beau. Have any firearm experience? Read the armourer was scared to load blanks into prop guns. That's pathetic.

Yeah that doesn't sound good?

 

[Eisen]

Baldwin should have doubled checked the gun when it was handed to him. When you have a gun in your hand you are the one responsible for it.

A prop gun. Why would he check it? Would anyone know the difference between blanks andnormal ammo or defective blanks?

 

[Canucky]

To the poster explaining his bolt action single shot rifle? If you cant unload the rifle by opening the action. (Bolt) then your extractor is broken. But then how do you unload the spent case? Knife tip, finger nail? Curious.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

Two people clearly going for Baldwin’s throat in this thread because they don’t like his politics. Truly shameful and disgusting behavior. Someone died because of an accident and the first thought is “Screw the guy who made the mistake his politics are different than mine!”

 

[Canucky]

A prop gun. Why would he check it? Would anyone know the difference between blanks andnormal ammo or defective blanks?

Well considering Baldwin has been around props/firearms his whole acting life. Yes I think he has some understanding. Wtf is a defective blank? Ridiculous

 

[Eisen]

Well considering Baldwin has been around props/firearms his whole acting life. Yes I think he has some understanding. Wtf is a defective blank? Ridiculous

I have no idea what a defective blank is. Point is, if someone gives me a movie gun, I'll fire it. Safety is implied.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I have no idea what a defective blank is. Point is, if someone gives me a movie gun, I'll fire it. Safety is implied.

Jesus f*cling Christ no

Safety is NEVER implied with any firearm...that's how incidents like this happen.

The #1 rule is every firearm is loaded until you personally confirm with a visual check that it isn't. Period

 

[Eisen]

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Jesus f*cling Christ no

Safety is NEVER implied with any firearm...that's how incidents like this happen.

The #1 rule is every firearm is loaded until you personally confirm with a visual check that it isn't. Period

It's a prop gun. What is working ammo doing on a set? Should one check every bottle they whack on each other's heads?

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

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It's a prop gun. What is working ammo doing on a set? Should one check every bottle they whack on each other's heads?

Prop masters and safety experts have already gone over these things (in theory) endlessly. You should feel safe with these objects. Are you going to point them at someone and fire unless that’s the cue? Probably not! But there are so many (supposed) check points these things go through they should be safe and you should feel safe.

 

[Canucky]

I have no idea what a defective blank is. Point is, if someone gives me a movie gun, I'll fire it. Safety is implied.

As mentioned.... Negligent not Accidental.

 

[reckoning]

Two people clearly going for Baldwin’s throat in this thread because they don’t like his politics. Truly shameful and disgusting behavior. Someone died because of an accident and the first thought is “Screw the guy who made the mistake his politics are different than mine!”

I'm seeing that a lot on the internet. Nobody knows yet the details of who was at fault, but the ones upset about Baldwin's portrayal of someone on his SNL appearances are convinced that it was all his fault and he needs to go to jail.

 

[Eisen]

As mentioned.... Negligent not Accidental.

It is not his duty to check a prop gun. He's an actor. That is not negligence. It's not grandpa's hunting rifle lying around in the living room or momma's handgun in her bag.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

It is not his duty to check a prop gun. He's an actor. That is not negligence. It's not grandpa's hunting rifle lying around in the living room or momma's handgun in her bag.

Yes. It. Is.

Firearm safety is E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E-S responsibility. If the gun is in your hands, all safety issues are on you the operator.

This is gun safety 101

You make zero assumptions and only believe what you visually confirm for yourself

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

To the poster explaining his bolt action single shot rifle? If you cant unload the rifle by opening the action. (Bolt) then your extractor is broken. But then how do you unload the spent case? Knife tip, finger nail? Curious.

You pull back on the...I guess you would call it a hammer?..it locks in place, but the bolt action won't open once that is engaged. After the trigger is pulled and the action pushes forward, you can then open the bolt and remove the spent cartridge. It's an old gun so I'm sure it was just made with that design flaw.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

It is not his duty to check a prop gun. He's an actor. That is not negligence. It's not grandpa's hunting rifle lying around in the living room or momma's handgun in her bag.

You keep saying "prop gun" as if this wasn't a functional firearm. Clearly it was since it killed somebody. It still has a functional firing pin, which means if you put in live ammunition or even blanks in it, it will fire them. This wasn't a toy gun.

If you shoot a gun, you now own that bullet. Where it ends up is your responsibility. Actors should be trained how to handle firearms before ever touching one. In my course I learned with guns that had no firing pin and the ammo used to practice loading it was dummy ammunition. Even then, if you pointed that at ANYBODY, you failed on the spot.

No matter how much of an "expert" somebody is, you should still check everything over yourself. People make mistakes, even somebody that's supposed to be an expert.

This situation was entirely avoidable. I'm not throwing Baldwin under the bus, it just sounds like the entire system they had was messed up. Clearly mistakes were made and negligence caused somebody to die. It's very unfortunate all around. I have known several people who shot a gun accidentally, some were close calls thankfully and some ended up in death. All were avoidable and many were done by people who handled guns for many many years. "I thought it was unloaded" was usually the explanation, if they even lived themselves to express that.

 

[Hanji]

Yes. It. Is.

Firearm safety is E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E-S responsibility. If the gun is in your hands, all safety issues are on you the operator.

This is gun safety 101

You make zero assumptions and only believe what you visually confirm for yourself

Not entirely. Baldwin wasn't deer hunting or whatever.
Stage/screen protocol is the precedent here. It's the actor's responsibility to handle the weapon with care; it isn't to check to see if the weapon is loaded. There exists numerous protocols and safety checks in place (all performed by specialists) before a weapon even gets into the hands of an actor. And the process is safe as hell if we take into account the gazillion of movies made with weapons and compare that to fatalities. It just makes this particular instance all the more baffling.
Legally, Baldwin will not be held liable for a failure to check his gun for rounds.
If he's potentially at fault for anything, it's for using the gun in a reckless manner (pointing it where he shouldn't, etc.), or, as producer, had a hand in cost cutting measures that impacted safety protocols.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Prop masters and safety experts have already gone over these things (in theory) endlessly. You should feel safe with these objects. Are you going to point them at someone and fire unless that’s the cue? Probably not! But there are so many (supposed) check points these things go through they should be safe and you should feel safe.

So would you take a firearm in that scenario, put it in your mouth and pull the trigger without checking it?

If not then why would you point it at anyone else with just trusting others.

If so then I don't know what to say

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Two people clearly going for Baldwin’s throat in this thread because they don’t like his politics. Truly shameful and disgusting behavior. Someone died because of an accident and the first thought is “Screw the guy who made the mistake his politics are different than mine!”

This post is so damn embarrassing. Wow, you should have just stayed out, this has NOTHING to do with politics but an idiot who didnt follow basic safety procedures and ended up KILLING someone.