Alain Vigneault

[Clown Fiesta]

Forgot to add that outside of that outlier of a season Torts had, Renney's success was close. His team's were arguably even less talented outside of Jagr and Hank. Several of the players that were vital to Torts success were either in their infancy in the NHL with Renney or not even here.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Only one guy can coach a team at a time. Given the disparity in talent over the years it's not an apples to apples comparison. Torts got us close to a cup, YAY! I don't cling to almost successes. Sorry.

Almost successes are a necessary part of getting to the ultimate success. You can't with the Stanley Cup without winning the first round first, the second round second, etc.

Sorry, I just don't buy the argument that the team that finished 30th accomplished the same as the team that lost in the Stanley Cup final.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Almost successes are a necessary part of getting to the ultimate success. You can't with the Stanley Cup without winning the first round first, the second round second, etc.

Sorry, I just don't buy the argument that the team that finished 30th accomplished the same as the team that lost in the Stanley Cup final.

That's good because no one is asking you to... you are really reaching btw.

Almost successes are dust in the wind if you don't build on them. Go ask Sharks fans how that feels. You must win every round in a single year to win the cup. True or false?

Hence why the anomaly that was '11-'12 is nothing but a brief feel good moment.

 

[True Blue]

Only one guy can coach a team at a time. Given the disparity in talent over the years it's not an apples to apples comparison. Torts got us close to a cup, YAY! I don't cling to almost successes. Sorry.

Gotta be in it to even have a chance. Again, how many Rangers coaches in their illustrious history have had his level of success?

He also took a team that had been in the PO's five straight years, had won 4 division titles, two presidents trophies, and reached the finals all recently, and cratered them by going away from their strengths and focusing on his style.

First of all, this has nothing to do with Vancouver. Second of all, their playoff record under AV was less than sterling. As a matter of fact, one can state that Torts squeezed every ounce out of an under talented team, while AV could not get the best out of Vancouver.

So if we are to compare AV's success here to Torts one good year where so far the results are on par.

I will love to discuss AV in the same breath as Torts for having success as a Rangers coach.

Forgot to add that outside of that outlier of a season Torts had, Renney's success was close.

You said that you do not cling to almost successes. Therefore, Renney's almost does not count as he did NOT achieve what Torts did.

 

[Jersey Girl]

That's good because no one is asking you to... you are really reaching btw.

Almost successes are dust in the wind if you don't build on them. Go ask Sharks fans how that feels. You must win every round in a single year to win the cup. True or false?

Hence why the anomaly that was '11-'12 is nothing but a brief feel good moment.

So you think finishing 30th is the same as losing in the Stanley Cup final. Got it. And I'm the one who's reaching.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Gotta be in it to even have a chance. Again, how many Rangers coaches in their illustrious history have had his level of success?

First of all, this has nothing to do with Vancouver. Second of all, their playoff record under AV was less than sterling. As a matter of fact, one can state that Torts squeezed every ounce out of an under talented team, while AV could not get the best out of Vancouver.

I will love to discuss AV in the same breath as Torts for having success as a Rangers coach.

You said that you do not cling to almost successes. Therefore, Renney's almost does not count as he did NOT achieve what Torts did.

Since Torts achieved nothing then I guess you have your comparison. Seriously either accept the facts as facts while looking at the big picture or don't, but accepting some facts because they fit your argument while ignoring others seems counter intuitive and is a waste of time.

You're going to try and say that Torts making the conference finals is a bigger accomplishment than AV making the finals? Ok. Thank you for the laugh.

In their last 6 playoff appearances AV is 28-28 while Mr. Amazing is 21-29.

Spin this to somehow convince me I'm wrong, GO!

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think what we've learned here is that no result matters besides a Stanley Cup win

.....unless you like a team's particular style of play.

 

[NickyFotiu]

To sum up,

Kreiders success has nothing to do with AV. Torts would have played him the same way on the 1st line and PP.

Torts wanted Zooks on this team all along. Zooks was always a Torts guy. It was Slats who did not want him last season.

Torts got us almost to a cup even though we did not make the finals, only won 2 games in the 3rd round and only advanced by 1 goal in game 7's.

Torts is responsible for the NY Rangers wins but not the Van losses.

Torts is a good coach whose Ranger players were sad to see him leave and whose players in Van love him.

Torts treats players with respect.

Torts is the greatest NYR coach ever despite his winning percentage in the regular season being about the same as Renney and his playoff winning percentage being worse.

Torts will stay in Van because Trevor Linden appreciates a coach that did not even show up to multiple practices this season.

Torts has Duby, Gabs, Richards, Zooks, Mitchell, Kreider, etc on speed dial since they respect him so much.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Since Torts achieved nothing then I guess you have your comparison. Seriously either accept the facts as facts while looking at the big picture or don't, but accepting some facts because they fit your argument while ignoring others seems counter intuitive and is a waste of time.

Pot, meet kettle

 

[Miamipuck]

He also took a team that had been in the PO's five straight years, had won 4 division titles, two presidents trophies, and reached the finals all recently, and cratered them by going away from their strengths and focusing on his style.

Good lord really? Vancouver is on a downswing for the last several years, that should be plain as day. Their point totals over the last 4 seasons 117 --> 111--> 94 (extrapolated)--> 83.

Tortorella took over an aging injured team. If you don't like the guy, more power to you, but please do not use disingenuous arguments, they're silly.

Tortorella did some ok things and some not so ok things. You don't need to make up facts to paint him in a negative light.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

So you think finishing 30th is the same as losing in the Stanley Cup final. Got it. And I'm the one who's reaching.

You're the one who brought finishing 30th into the conversation in the first place as some sort of last ditch effort to save face.

I'm saying that losing in the ECF and not building on it or repeating it points to it being an anomaly. But please continue to misinterpret everything, it's fun seeing how twisted things get.

Just because I'm not filled with pride by a loss in the ECF doesn't mean I favor finishing last. Weak attempt.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You're the one who brought finishing 30th into the conversation in the first place as some sort of last ditch effort to save face.

I'm saying that losing in the ECF and not building on it or repeating it points to it being an anomaly. But please continue to misinterpret everything, it's fun seeing how twisted things get.

Just because I'm not filled with pride by a loss in the ECF doesn't mean I favor finishing last. Weak attempt.

To be fair, it was a different team last year. That said I'd be shocked if they repeated anything close to what they had with the same team last year as Gaborik and Richards were shot.

 

[Jersey Girl]

You're the one who brought finishing 30th into the conversation in the first place as some sort of last ditch effort to save face.

I'm saying that losing in the ECF and not building on it or repeating it points to it being an anomaly. But please continue to misinterpret everything, it's fun seeing how twisted things get.

Just because I'm not filled with pride by a loss in the ECF doesn't mean I favor finishing last. Weak attempt.

When you have to resort to personal comments YOU'RE the one who's reaching, hun.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You're the one who brought finishing 30th into the conversation in the first place as some sort of last ditch effort to save face.

I'm saying that losing in the ECF and not building on it or repeating it points to it being an anomaly. But please continue to misinterpret everything, it's fun seeing how twisted things get.

Just because I'm not filled with pride by a loss in the ECF doesn't mean I favor finishing last. Weak attempt.

Great, so Ill see you blasting AV in the next couple of weeks if this team loses in the 1st/2nd rounds - hell, or even the conference final.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Pot, meet kettle

Just because you share the sane misguided opinion... What facts is he even pointing to? That the Rangers overachieved? So he agrees with me...

Good lord really? Vancouver is on a downswing for the last several years, that should be plain as day. Their point totals over the last 4 seasons 117 --> 111--> 94 (extrapolated)--> 83.

Tortorella took over an aging injured team. If you don't like the guy, more power to you, but please do not use disingenuous arguments, they're silly.

Tortorella did some ok things and some not so ok things. You don't need to make up facts to point him in a negative light.

A downswing he greatly accelerated.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Great, so Ill see you blasting AV in the next couple of weeks if this team loses in the 1st/2nd rounds - hell, or even the conference final.

...or even game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. Not clinging to almost successes, you know.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Good lord really? Vancouver is on a downswing for the last several years, that should be plain as day. Their point totals over the last 4 seasons 117 --> 111--> 94 (extrapolated)--> 83.

Tortorella took over an aging injured team. If you don't like the guy, more power to you, but please do not use disingenuous arguments, they're silly.

Tortorella did some ok things and some not so ok things. You don't need to make up facts to point him in a negative light.

Should also be mentioned the Gillis blew up the goalie situation right in front of Torts' eyes. Not even sure how that was allowed to happen.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

When you have to resort to personal comments YOU'RE the one who's reaching, hun.

Yeah, real personal, I told you that you were misinterpreting what I was saying which is a fact. Hun.

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true.

Great, so Ill see you blasting AV in the next couple of weeks if this team loses in the 1st/2nd rounds - hell, or even the conference final.

Based on what? The fact that I'm not showering Torts with praise? I'll blame whoever deserves the blame and not resort to emotional over reactions. Thank you for telling me how I'll act though. Much appreciated.

 

[Jersey Girl]

A downswing he greatly accelerated.

You really don't know much about the Vancouver situation, do you

 

[Clown Fiesta]

...or even game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. Not clinging to almost successes, you know.

MOAR HYPERBOLE PLEASE!

Should also be mentioned the Gillis blew up the goalie situation right in front of Torts' eyes. Not even sure how that was allowed to happen.

Yes, let's blame everyone else for a coaches failure.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Based on what? The fact that I'm not showering Torts with praise? I'll blame whoever deserves the blame and not resort to emotional over reactions. Thank you for telling me how I'll act though. Much appreciated.

You obviously have some sort of bias against Tortorella, yet are preaching emotional reactions to stop. Its gold.

If you're going to be Mr. Self-righteous and "blame who deserves the blame," blasting Tortorella for '11-12 is an interesting way of going about it considering he did a helluva job with that team.

And, for the record, I think the coach has only a small bearing on where a team ultimately winds up.

 

[NickyFotiu]

...or even game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. Not clinging to almost successes, you know.

Lets forget about opinions and stick to facts for just 1 post. I have some yes or no questions for you. A simple yes or no is all that is called for as a honest answer.

1. Was Torts fired by the Rangers in late May of 2013? Yes or no?

2. Are there multiple reports that Torts will be fired again now in 2014? Yes or No?

3. Is it unusual for a head coach to be fired in the very first year of a 5 year contract? Yes or No?

 

[Jersey Girl]

Yes, let's blame everyone else for a coaches failure.

LOL this comment stands on it's own. Genius.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Lets forget about opinions and stick to facts for just 1 post. I have some yes or no questions for you. A simple yes or no is all that is called for as a honest answer.

1. Was Torts fired by the Rangers in late May of 2013? Yes or no?

2. Are there multiple reports that Torts will be fired again now in 2014? Yes or No?

3. Is it unusual for a head coach to be fired in the very first year of a 5 year contract? Yes or No?

1. Yes!

2. Yes!

3. When the GM who hired you is fired, it's normal procedure for a new GM to bring in his own coach. I'm sure we can at least agree on that...right?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Lets forget about opinions and stick to facts for just 1 post. I have some yes or no questions for you. A simple yes or no is all that is called for as a honest answer.

1. Was Torts fired by the Rangers in late May of 2013? Yes or no?

2. Are there multiple reports that Torts will be fired again now in 2014? Yes or No?

3. Is it unusual for a head coach to be fired in the very first year of a 5 year contract? Yes or No?

4. Does NickyFotiu have such a limited view of the game that he holds a grudge against Tortorella for not playing Zuccarello years ago?