I am certainly hopeful that he can. He had the right temperament for this year's squad. Let's hope that the steady, even keel helps the team in the playoffs.
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NickyFotiu
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Bottom line, he has accomplished what AV did not. I really do not see how you can get around that little issue.
Nothing to do with the current discussion. If you feel like debating what Torts has done in Vancouver, then let's do it in another thread.
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Clown Fiesta
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Because it's not even slightly relevant when comparing the Rangers and Canucks?
Did Torts take the Rangers to the finals? Did he have a better winning % in the playoffs?
No, I get it. My only point was that Van did not have a problem underachieving prior to Torts being there.I was responding to your own quote mentioning Torts and Van.
Ok, all in the pool. Did AV win the Cup?
We can discuss his success with the Rangers during the playoffs when he has some.
NickyFotiu
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I know. No biggie. I think it is clear that I'm not going to change the mind of the 3-4 Torts fans in this thread and you are not going to change the minds of the people who are not fans of Torts actions.
Clown Fiesta
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Oi vey. How many times are you going to repeat yourself?
We can discuss whatever we'd like to discuss because it's a forum for discussion. Right now we don't have anything other than previous accomplishments, the most relevant being with the Canucks abd Rangers...
Aren't you the one that suggested Torts and his merry band of misfits were arguably more successful than AV and the Canucks based on nothing but your own convoluted interpretation of success anyway?
But not we can't talk about it? Rich.
LOL only in these forums can you read that winning the Stanley Cup is someone's 'convoluted interpretation of success'. You can't make up some of the stuff you see here sometimes.
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Cmon, we all know what he meant by that. And I agree with him. Winning the Stanley Cup or not as the only interpretation of success is absurd.
Of course, it is a bit of a trump card. Who is a more successful goalie? Antti Niemi or Tuukka Rask?
NickyFotiu
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I have seen you bash a guy with 5 cups but hold up a guy with 1 cup win in Tampa as a shield???
I see you make light of a guy going 7 games in the cup finals a few years ago but act like we won the cup in 2012 when we did not even come close to being in the cup finals We lost 4-2 in 3rd round.
Seems like some inconsistency.
Totally agree it's not the only interpretation of success - but it certainly is one of them and cannot be dismissed!
And when his argument is that he doesn't care about almost successes, only the Stanley Cup - Torts' Cup win does become more of a factor!
Yeah, this is where it becomes extremely subjective - just like quarterback comparisons. Who was more successful, Brad Johnson or Dan Marino? Peyton Manning or Eli Manning? Ben Roethlisberger or Terry Bradshaw? Dan Marino or Joe Montana? Jim Kelly or Eli Manning?
People tend to have their own definition of success - and tend to mold it to fit their argument!
Who did I bash for winning five cups?
Not sure who I made light of for going seven games into the Cup finals, but I do not claim that Torts' won the Cup in 2012. I've said nothing of the sort.
The only thing I said about 2012 was to give Torts credit for bringing us somewhere we haven't been since Mark Messier, Wayne Gretzky and Brian Leetch were all on the team at the same time.
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NY Ranger fans version of a Rorschach test:
If Torts shoots a old lady while robbing a bank, whose fault is it?
1. The old lady
2. The bank
3. The gun manufacturer
4. The getaway driver
5. Slats
If Torts shoots a old lady while robbing a bank, whose fault is it?
1. The old lady
2. The bank
3. The gun manufacturer
4. The getaway driver
5. Slats
LOL Nice!
How about this Rorschach test:
Someone shoots an old lady while she's robbing a bank, and at the exact time Torts' team is winning a Stanley Cup series. Who gets credit for winning the series?
1. The old lady
2. The bank
3. The gun manufacturer
4. The getaway driver
5. Slats
How about this Rorschach test:
Someone shoots an old lady while she's robbing a bank, and at the exact time Torts' team is winning a Stanley Cup series. Who gets credit for winning the series?
1. The old lady
2. The bank
3. The gun manufacturer
4. The getaway driver
5. Slats
I suggested that until AV can do what Torts did, then yes, Torts and his merry band of so-called misfits (ahem....best team in a basically a quarter century" are more successful than what AV has done in NY. Secondly, as an overall, I have suggested that Torts has had more success in the playoffs than AV. I do not recall comparing Rangers teams to Vancouver teams.
NickyFotiu
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Since Torts team did not even make the playoffs I will have to go with answer C because the only way he will be able to win the cup in present day is with a gun.
LOL well...the only way AV could have gotten a Stanley Cup EVER is with a gun!
So there...
Come on, T. Off course it is not the ONLY measure of success. However, it CANNOT be discounted. Just like simply chalking up success or failure to "luck or bad luck" is not accurate.
When comparing what post season success has a particular coach had when compared to another contemporary coach, it is a fairly large trump card.
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Your post joke or not implies that your loyalty is with Torts and not AV. I feel at least 90% of Ranger fans are happy with the job AV has done. I do not think they would not take Torts back in exchange so I'm a bit surprised by that. Would you prefer Torts come back instead of AV?
I'm just having some fun with you, because I appreciate that you don't take this too seriously.
And if you wonder how I feel about AV - and Torts - please read the OP of this thread! I'll give you hint, it's written by someone very smart - not to mention cute!
Clown Fiesta
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Why yes you can, because that's exactly what you've been doing all day. Tsk tsk.
Never did I try discredit his cup, the issue is that isn't relevant to this discussion considering AV coached the Canucks at the sane time Torts coached the Rangers, which is the best parallel we can use for comparison. I'm concerned about you.
Clown Fiesta
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The point remains the same, they didn't. Because the Finals gone after the Conference Finals, and their record was worse. Which is what I said about three pages ago when you tried to say that the first time.
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