those gm's have the excuse of signing ufa's. not dubas, besides tavares. all restricted, all overpaid.
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A pretty interesting point too.
A GM who is personable, easily accessible ect is likely a preferred GM to deal with vs one who plays mind games and is obstructive regardless of what the final result is. Theres definitely a lot of subjectivity to a number of the questions asked
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I've been on the record about Dubas' spending in the past, so I'm not saying this as a huge fanboy, but not getting a bargain on an RFA contract feels like less of a cardinal sin than knowingly overpaying a player entering their declining years.
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Not surprising considering where on the list the team's three highest cap hits rank relative to other NHL players. That said, a good deal for a client/player isn't necessarily going to always be a bad deal for that team.
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did we really didn't need a poll to realize how weak Dubas is viewed by agents ? lol
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Lou is the toughest to deal with???
LOL has anyone looked at the Isles contracts?
LOL has anyone looked at the Isles contracts?
Matthews over 11 over 5 years buying 1 UFA year is a good contract? Marner is a good contract?
if the agents had voted dubas gm to get a deal out of and lou the worst, guarantee you people would give it importance
They were fair contracts for Matthews' and Marner's levels of production, relative to their post-ELC comparables.
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Not surprising. Everyone knows dubas sucks at negotiations. It's his weakest area as a GM. Thankfully he has shown to be a strong scout/drafter and pretty good trader(with the exception of the horrid kadri deal). Dubas is a middle of the pack GM so while he sucks at contracts he makes up for it by being strong in other areas.
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Probably those 3 or 4 agents didn’t vote for Lou in that category.
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Atop the good guy list, not on the sucker list. I guess that’s a feather in Chevy’s cap?
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I wonder how the contracts of Matthews and Marner and what Dubas’ perception as a negotiator would be had he signed Nylander at a reasonable time instead of waiting until the last minute.
Looking at the Nylander contract now it really isn’t all that bad, certainly not bad enough to warrant the criticism thrown Dubas’ way after it was signed. And had Nylander been signed in September or October of 2018 maybe he doesn’t have as bad a season as he did and the perception of that contract is better. But signing it when he did and it being higher than the likes of Ehlers’ contract made people feel that Dubas got taken to task and that he gained nothing from the extended negotiating.
The fallout from that whole sage led to the smell of blood in the water for Matthews’ agent, and after that ridiculously player friendly deal Darren Ferris pounced and got Marner an equally, if note more so, ridiculous contract.
Sucks that the three biggest contracts this franchise needed to sign ended up being as high as they did. The contracts for other players have been average to good besides the big three. But Dubas will be judged based on how those contacts and negotiations all played out and the results weren’t great for the team.
Looking at the Nylander contract now it really isn’t all that bad, certainly not bad enough to warrant the criticism thrown Dubas’ way after it was signed. And had Nylander been signed in September or October of 2018 maybe he doesn’t have as bad a season as he did and the perception of that contract is better. But signing it when he did and it being higher than the likes of Ehlers’ contract made people feel that Dubas got taken to task and that he gained nothing from the extended negotiating.
The fallout from that whole sage led to the smell of blood in the water for Matthews’ agent, and after that ridiculously player friendly deal Darren Ferris pounced and got Marner an equally, if note more so, ridiculous contract.
Sucks that the three biggest contracts this franchise needed to sign ended up being as high as they did. The contracts for other players have been average to good besides the big three. But Dubas will be judged based on how those contacts and negotiations all played out and the results weren’t great for the team.
Matthews - too much for the term
Marner - too much
Kapanen - too much
Johnsson - too much
Kerfoot - too much
Holl - too much
Engvall - too much
Almost all of these were ridiculously heavy on bonuses and front-loaded and the Leafs still couldn't squeeze players into reasonable contracts.
Marner - too much
Kapanen - too much
Johnsson - too much
Kerfoot - too much
Holl - too much
Engvall - too much
Almost all of these were ridiculously heavy on bonuses and front-loaded and the Leafs still couldn't squeeze players into reasonable contracts.
Marners contract is outrageous..... it’s a joke. Interesting that both Ferris and Marner wouldn’t say if the offersheet “early” in the summer was for more money than the one he eventually signed with Toronto. I bet it was Montreal for the same amount as Aho.
I mean if you turned down more money.... and your Mitch Marner... YOU’RE going to tell the world that you took less money to stay. We all know it would’ve been in his beautiful heartwarming letter he penned to us fans (sarcasm). He didn’t turn down the offersheet because he wanted to stay in Toronto, he turned it down because it was for far less than he though he was worth. Weird that Dubas signed him for essentially 11 million.... I mean did he really expect that a team was gonna offer Marner MORE than 11,000,000 per year? My god, Dubas signed him to an offersheet caliber contract.
What GM is gonna offer four 1st round picks and 11,000,000 per year for a 5’10 winger with ok speed and a ok shot? Seems like a very risky thing to do, to me.
I mean if you turned down more money.... and your Mitch Marner... YOU’RE going to tell the world that you took less money to stay. We all know it would’ve been in his beautiful heartwarming letter he penned to us fans (sarcasm). He didn’t turn down the offersheet because he wanted to stay in Toronto, he turned it down because it was for far less than he though he was worth. Weird that Dubas signed him for essentially 11 million.... I mean did he really expect that a team was gonna offer Marner MORE than 11,000,000 per year? My god, Dubas signed him to an offersheet caliber contract.
What GM is gonna offer four 1st round picks and 11,000,000 per year for a 5’10 winger with ok speed and a ok shot? Seems like a very risky thing to do, to me.
Kap, AJ and Kerfoot are good deals considering their productions.
Holl is being paid like a bottom pair Dman while being a solid #4 for the Leafs.
Engvall’ see contract is 1.25mil, which is 300k more than the 975k he was receiving. I doubt any players that could play like Engvall will accept another 975k deal for another year.
Dubas' whole philosophy was supposed to be that you pay your stars and squeeze everyone else. That happened for none of these players. Again - the benefits of being able to get a massively front-loaded contract, with massive signing bonuses, playing with elite talent, and playing for a team that provides all kinds of perks that other teams don't, and has an amazing sports science department to keep them healthy, still did not result in any of these players accepting a reasonable deal. I would be happy if all 5 were gone within the next year.
Nope. Hyman has a good contract - and it was not front loaded at all and had zero bonuses either. He has outplayed his contract by a massive margin. None of the those three are likely to and their overpayments make it extremely difficult for the team to improve unless at least a couple of them are moved. And again - they are not just overpaid - they got frontloaded, bonus heavy contracts and still wouldn't take reasonable deals. None of them should have received more than Hyman.
Holl is a bottom pairing D who got to play with Muzzin, who makes his D partners' look better. He had played 52 career games at the time of his signing, averaging 15:40 a game. And had played more than 20 minutes a grand total of 5 times.
Engvall had played 35 games at 4th line TOI when he signed. Yes, his previous cap hit was 925K, but he had spent the entire year before in the minors, and had spent enough time in the minors this season that it was going to fall under 700K. He will have a difficult time making the NHL roster next year. He should have been a fully buriable cap hit, and should have considered himself lucky to have signed a one-way deal.
Nope. Hyman has a good contract - and it was not front loaded at all and had zero bonuses either. He has outplayed his contract by a massive margin. None of the those three are likely to and their overpayments make it extremely difficult for the team to improve unless at least a couple of them are moved. And again - they are not just overpaid - they got frontloaded, bonus heavy contracts and still wouldn't take reasonable deals. None of them should have received more than Hyman.
Holl is a bottom pairing D who got to play with Muzzin, who makes his D partners' look better. He had played 52 career games at the time of his signing, averaging 15:40 a game. And had played more than 20 minutes a grand total of 5 times.
Engvall had played 35 games at 4th line TOI when he signed. Yes, his previous cap hit was 925K, but he had spent the entire year before in the minors, and had spent enough time in the minors this season that it was going to fall under 700K. He will have a difficult time making the NHL roster next year. He should have been a fully buriable cap hit, and should have considered himself lucky to have signed a one-way deal.
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Any agents that miss Mika Zibanejad @$5,350,000 per as one of the best team friendly deals in the league are not firing on all cylinders if you ask me. That guy is so good now and at that cap hit its a steal. He is as dangerous as most stars in the league. Just one of the top centers in the league now that gets little or no respect.
He’s scored 71 goals in his last 139 games for the rangers. Awesome player.
He’s scored 71 goals in his last 139 games for the rangers. Awesome player.
