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After McDavid, Who's the Best Peak Player of the Current Generation?

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Who's the best peak player?

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McFlash97 said:
What Draisaitl is doing this season across the board might make this the most impressive season after McDavids 153 this generation.
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Drai is on a mission this year...if he keeps this up it could be one of the best seasons in the 2000s...has also a legit chance to sweep all awards...but lots of hockey left.
 
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BertMcDrai said:
Drai is on a mission this year...if he keeps this up it could be one of the best seasons in the 2000s...has also a legit chance to sweep all awards...but lots of hockey left.
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It will be the best season since last year as Kucherov and Mac were better.
 
daver said:
It will be the best season since last year as Kucherov and Mac were better.
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None of both lead the league in goals or GWG or 5v5 goals or +/- or Top10 in takeaways or faceoffs won... literally the only stat they are projecting better are total points.
At this moment they will have a dozen more points...but to be fair if Drai is over 20 points behind then it's ok to also favor Kuch and MacK seasons from last year.
I think if Drai comes within 10-15 points and separates him more this year from the field it's a better overall season.

But we will see how the season ends...scoring is much lower this season somehow.
 
BertMcDrai said:
None of both lead the league in goals or GWG or 5v5 goals or +/- or Top10 in takeaways or faceoffs won... literally the only stat they are projecting better are total points.
At this moment they will have a dozen more points...but to be fair if Drai is over 20 points behind then it's ok to also favor Kuch and MacK seasons from last year.
I think if Drai comes within 10-15 points and separates him more this year from the field it's a better overall season.

But we will see how the season ends...scoring is much lower this season somehow.
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I am guessing Mac tilted the ice more for the Avs when he was on the ice vs. off the ice than Draisatl. Of course this has something to do with McDavid but it is relevant when discussing strengths of seasons.

Kucherov was 54 points clear of his teammate.

Both players face the other team's best matchup players too.
 
I voted Drai but I think it's any of those players except Matthews.

Nothing against Matthews, he's a great player and he's still building his legacy. But you can't ignore the playoffs and all those other players have been great in the postseason. Kucherov has two cups, Mackinnon and Makaar with one each. Drai has played as well as a player can in a losing cause.

Still lots of time for this to change. Matthews hasn't reached those heights yet but he could do it at any time. At this point in time though, he's just not in that other group.
 
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daver said:
I am guessing Mac tilted the ice more for the Avs when he was on the ice vs. off the ice than Draisatl. Of course this has something to do with McDavid but it is relevant when discussing strengths of seasons.

Kucherov was 54 points clear of his teammate.

Both players face the other team's best matchup players too.
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I don't know what this has to do with McDavid to be honest...he has already a higher ppg the last years with McDavid not playing...so if you want to say that he would be more dominant without McD than you are right.

I don't know who "melted" the ice more...depends on what you like in a player I guess.

And this matchup argument is not really a argument because you are also getting better players to play with...so it could also be vice versa depending on your teammates and the opposite players.

Give Drai a Marner and Rantanen/Point line, with Makar and/or Hedman feeding from the back and he would be even more productive.
 
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daver said:
One PPG is inarguably influenced by sharing the largest amount of his icetime with a GOAT talent.
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So you were talking about Rantanen as the Goat talent right?!
MacKinnon without Rantanen; 6 games, 5 Points, -2
Drai without McD; 6 games, 11 Points,+4

daver said:
I am guessing Mac tilted the ice more for the Avs when he was on the ice vs. off the ice than Draisatl.Of course this has something to do with McDavid but it is relevant when discussing strengths of seasons.
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You should change McDavid to Rantanen :-)
 
BertMcDrai said:
So you were talking about Rantanen as the Goat talent right?!
MacKinnon without Rantanen; 6 games, 5 Points, -2
Drai without McD; 6 games, 11 Points,+
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Rantanen is pacing as a weak 3rd liner since the trade (0.40 PPG). I guess we can also conclude that Mac was 100% carrying Rantanen to a Top 10 forward spot.
 
daver said:
Rantanen is pacing as a weak 3rd liner since the trade (0.40 PPG). I guess we can also conclude that Mac was 100% carrying Rantanen to a Top 10 forward spot.
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Yeah both are underachieving right now, I am sure they will both end up with better numbers than now but at the same time I think they could never be as productive as before...time will tell.
 
StoveTopStauffer said:
Factoring in playoffs? Draisaitl, easily.
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MacKinnon put up some gaudy numbers for three straight playoffs but his team didn't win. He then was as good as he needed to be when they won in 2022. He has been notably been a more consistent all around player than Draisaitl.

Drai's claim to fame is his 2022 playoffs when they Oilers were going flat out full offense which got them one more win than the Avs did in their best playoffs before winning the Cup.

I don't think it's clear at all that Draisaitl, in a vacuum, is the player you want in the playoffs over MacKinnon or Kucherov.
 
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daver said:
MacKinnon put up some gaudy numbers for three straight playoffs but his team didn't win. He then was as good as he needed to be when they won in 2022. He has been notably been a more consistent all around player than Draisaitl.

Drai's claim to fame is his 2022 playoffs when they Oilers were going flat out full offense which got them one more win than the Avs did in their best playoffs before winning the Cup.

I don't think it's clear at all that Draisaitl, in a vacuum, is the player you want in the playoffs over MacKinnon or Kucherov.
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I think every player mentioned is great and belongs in the same tier...but to say MacKinnon has been more consistent all around player is a reach... especially his all around play is not better than Draisaitls...
he is also behind Drai in career ppg and also in career ppg in the playoffs and both by a noticable margin especially in the playoffs.

I don't know how someone can say he was consistently better, especially with no stats to back it up.
 
Sky04 said:
69 goal Matthews is nowhere near Mackinnon and Kucherov level lmao dude only had 107 points, kinda pathetic?

McDavid

Mackinnon/Kucherov

Draisaitl



Matthews
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Lol you really take it that personally eh :laugh:
 
centipede2233 said:
Why is MacKinnon ahead of drasaitl,

MacKinnon 50+ goal seasons - 1
MacKinnon 100+ pt seasons - 2

Drasaitl 50 goal seasons - 3
Drasaitl 100 pt seasons - 5
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I kinda of read this as the guy that had the single most dominant season. I'm ok with people putting Kuch or MacK ahead of Drai if that's the criteria.

If you want to stretch out the meaning to include their best run over multiple seasons, Drai definitely passes MacKinon, and can be debated with Kucherov I think.
 
daver said:
I don't think it's clear at all that Draisaitl, in a vacuum, is the player you want in the playoffs over MacKinnon or Kucherov.
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I wouldn't want Draisaitl trapped in a vacuum either. That would be painful. Not to mention suffocation...
 
FiveFourteenSixOne said:
I kinda of read this as the guy that had the single most dominant season. I'm ok with people putting Kuch or MacK ahead of Drai if that's the criteria.

If you want to stretch out the meaning to include their best run over multiple seasons, Drai definitely passes MacKinon, and can be debated with Kucherov I think.
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Drasaitl is on the verge of his 4th 50 goal season, kucherov has zero 50 goal seasons and three 40 goal seasons. Drasaitl the last 4 years much better plus minus and plays a more important position.
 
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