Player Discussion Adam Fox

[Rongomania]

2 things Makar has over Fox:

• Goalscoring, which isn't really relevant. Primary points is more telling anyway
• Draft position, which doesn't matter at all

If Fox was a top-5 pick like Makar, we're not even having this conversation. It's also fascinating that fans say that "Everyone only cares about the Rangers" when in fact the Nashville Predators staff had to ask Dave Maloney who "this Fox kid" is. So yeah... That's pretty cringe.

Smoked that response.

will it fit in my tag line underneath my username ya think?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Smoked that response.

will it fit in my tag line underneath my username ya think?

Wait, does this mean you agree or not?

 

[Rongomania]

Wait, does this mean you agree or not?

Yes agree. He does two things better which do not actually make him a better defenseman

 

[TJHKY]

 

[rangersfansince08]

Avs fans are insuffarable and acting as douchy as you would have expected

 

[Thirty One]

Avs fans are insuffarable and acting as douchy as you would have expected

This isn't going to ruin my Christmas.

 

[aufheben]

 

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[Filthy Dangles]

Idk if it's just me but I noticed if there's on knock on Fox it's clearing the crease and boxing his man out, and sometimes getting lost when the puck is cycled high in the dzone.

2nd VGK goal last night kinda shows both, he went out to challenge a point shot which should be a winger's responsibility. And left a big screen for Georgie to deal with on a medium danger shot at best.



That's really the only thing I think he could improve on, letting the goalie see more shots when he has to battle his man in front.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Idk if it's just me but I noticed if there's on knock on Fox it's clearing the crease and boxing his man out, and sometimes getting lost when the puck is cycled high in the dzone.

2nd VGK goal last night kinda shows both, he went out to challenge a point shot which should be a winger's responsibility. And left a big screen for Georgie to deal with on a medium danger shot at best.



That's really the only thing I think he could improve on, letting the goalie see more shots when he has to battle his man in front.

It should be the winger's responsibility, but Chytil was way out of position because he thought he could get to the puck before the LD. Fox was trying to stop the guy from walking all the way in.

I would definitely agree that he is poor at boxing guys out. But that's the least important skill for a defenseman who steals as many pucks and dictates such an abnormal amount of positive puck possession, as Fox.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This was a post pumping the tires of McDavid, but look who's number 4.

 

[QJL]

He’s been very good the last few games. Starting to look like his early season self.

Oh, and he’s pacing 84 points with no signs of slowing down. His name has been on the scoresheet 27/40 games to start the year.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Hopefully he makes a second half shift for the Norris. He'll probably need to score more goals than he normally does.

 

[Sockosensei]

Hopefully he makes a second half shift for the Norris. He'll probably need to score more goals than he normally does.

How good of a metric are point shares (honest question)?

Fox leads the league in both Total and Defensive PS.

 

[Peltz]

2 things Makar has over Fox:

• Goalscoring, which isn't really relevant. Primary points is more telling anyway
• Draft position, which doesn't matter at all

If Fox was a top-5 pick like Makar, we're not even having this conversation. It's also fascinating that fans say that "Everyone only cares about the Rangers" when in fact the Nashville Predators staff had to ask Dave Maloney who "this Fox kid" is. So yeah... That's pretty cringe.

I think goal scoring is definitely important. It's really hard to score goals in the NHL. But I don't think Makar is better than Fox when you consider that (a) Assists are still nearly as good as goals especially for a defensemen and (b) he's simply a better player in the defensive zone and neutral zone than Makar. He's more complete.

It's amazing we have Fox. I feel like we never have players who are this elite except at the goaltender position.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Goals are as definitive as you can get with production at this level. They 100% matter.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I think goal scoring is definitely important. It's really hard to score goals in the NHL. But I don't think Makar is better than Fox when you consider that (a) Assists are still nearly as good as goals especially for a defensemen and (b) he's simply a better player in the defensive zone and neutral zone than Makar. He's more complete.

It's amazing we have Fox. I feel like we never have players who are this elite except at the goaltender position.

I agree with this but what's the analytical support?

 

[duhmetreE]

Lets not undersell Makar or be bitter. He's a ridiculous offensive talent.

Fox is the more complete player, even though he hasn't been himself IMO over the past couple weeks. Fox has set the bar so ridiculously high

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree with this but what's the analytical support?

It's out there.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

The Fox/Makar Norris battle is going to be an absolute treat for the next decade. I refuse to stoop to Avs fans level. Makar is a special talent and I am stoked he's in the league. Both of these players will be deserving of many Norris trophy's by the time all is said and done.

 

[rangersfansince08]

It's out there.

Lets not undersell Makar or be bitter. He's a ridiculous offensive talent.

Fox is the more complete player, even though he hasn't been himself IMO over the past couple weeks. Fox has set the bar so ridiculously high

Fox will never Makar's shot but I wouldn't' mind him fliting with 15+ goals a season.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Crazy stat of the week:

If Adam Fox just hits his current +/- pace for this season, he will already be top 10 all-time for the Rangers at +89, but he only has to break +75 to reach that distinction

 

[QJL]

Pacing 88 points with excellent defense.

The last defenseman to break 88 points was Bourque in 93-94.

The Norris is quite competitive this year with Hedman, Josi, and Makar having exceptional seasons, but Fox definitely has a chance to repeat.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Crazy stat of the week:

If Adam Fox just hits his current +/- pace for this season, he will already be top 10 all-time for the Rangers at +89, but he only has to break +75 to reach that distinction

That's nuts indeed.

 

[Rangerboy030]

Half-Season Awards: James Norris

The reigning Norris winner is probably going to have more points than he did last season in about 10 less games and according to the HFBoards brain trust he's not even a Norris finalist