Player Discussion Adam Fox

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staal hasn’t actually been all that bad since the all star break.

Hes been horrendous.

Plays most of his minutes paired with DeAngelo but has still posted a negative xGF% since the ASB (Meanwhile, DeAngelo is heavily in the green there.) When games are tied or within a goal in either direction, hes the only defenseman who is in the red in xGF% since the ASB (Not counting Smith, since hes played 3 games there, but every other D is over 50%.)

Make no mistake about it, he is being carried by DeAngelo, who goes from being a good player when paired with Staal to excellent when away from him.

 

[bobbop]

Staal hasn’t actually been all that bad since the all star break.

I’m glad someone besides me has noticed that.

 

[ohbaby]

Hes been horrendous.

Plays most of his minutes paired with DeAngelo but has still posted a negative xGF% since the ASB (Meanwhile, DeAngelo is heavily in the green there.) When games are tied or within a goal in either direction, hes the only defenseman who is in the red in xGF% since the ASB (Not counting Smith, since hes played 3 games there, but every other D is over 50%.)

Make no mistake about it, he is being carried by DeAngelo, who goes from being a good player when paired with Staal to excellent when away from him.

More hogwash. Go Away Staal.

" Since returning to the lineup Dec. 6 following ankle surgery, Staal has been on the ice for 16 goals against in 456:40 of five-on-five hockey. Only nine defensemen in the NHL have played at least 450 minutes of five-on-five in that time frame and have been on for fewer goals against than the 33-year-old" (naturalstattrick.com).

He's been playing well, and winning battles.

I'll give you that Staal didn't look good looking up at the sky for help on that Pageau goal though. He was responsible for him.

 

[JC704]

He is a No. 1 defenseman at 22-years old. I am GIDDY

 

[The New Russian Five]

He is a No. 1 defenseman at 22-years old. I am GIDDY

He's an absolute stud. What a revelation this season.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Makar and Hughes wish they were half as good as the Crimson Chin.

 

[aufheben]

He is a No. 1 defenseman at 22-years old. I am GIDDY

And he only turned 22 a week ago.

 

[ponzu4u]

This kid is crazy good. Not just one crazy play this game. Just filthy plays each shift that I haven't seen a Rangers dman able to pull off in as long as I can remember. And he's a rookie??? yer kiddin me.

 

[Black Tank]

Fox is the number one overall pick we've been dreaming of for years and it's a credit to Gorton for getting this deal done. At 22, in arguably the toughest position on the ice, he is dominating at times, very consistent most of the times, and poor only for a period or 2 (before recovering) at times. Instead of being great for October and then fading in the second half of the season, he is playing better as the pressure builds for the PO chase. This is what a superstar in his first year looks like.

 

[Chimpradamus]

You could see early on in the season that he had something special about him, but wow has he blown all expectations out of the water. I expected him to be a solid, offensive defenseman in a couple of years. Not that he would have the ability to dominate games THIS season, at crunch time.

He's the NYR's most secret weapon, but not for much longer.

 

[Fugazy]

He was a revelation in last night’s game.

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah I remember the deal, it seemed like maybe we paid a little too much for a guy we might have been able to have for free in a couple more months, but he has been astonishingly good. The price we paid was well worth getting him in here this year, as you figure he'll only be better with experience. Credit to Gorton for pulling the trigger and getting it done when he did.

 

[Raspewtin]

I mean............I don't think most people expected him to be this good ever, let alone right out of the gate at 21 years old.

There is nothing he does wrong. It is an absolute sight to behold.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah I remember the deal, it seemed like maybe we paid a little too much for a guy we might have been able to have for free in a couple more months, but he has been astonishingly good. The price we paid was well worth getting him in here this year, as you figure he'll only be better with experience. Credit to Gorton for pulling the trigger and getting it done when he did.

The way I looked at the deal at the time was that it was essentially adding a 2nd round pick to the original 2nd to move up into the late first round. Fox was likely going to be better than a lot of the players available in the late 1st round last year. You got a high end RHD basically at the end of last year's 1st round.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I like that he had an absolutely horrific start to the game but then took over the last 20. Young guys usually let shit like that fester and boil over.

Makar and Quinn are great players, but neither of them are as well rounded or control the flow of play like Fox does. He's been God Tier for almost 3 months.

 

[Edge]

The way I looked at the deal at the time was that it was essentially adding a 2nd round pick to the original 2nd to move up into the late first round. Fox was likely going to be better than a lot of the players available in the late 1st round last year. You got a high end RHD basically at the end of last year's 1st round.

I didn't understand the concern at the time, and I especially don't get it now.

Based on his post-draft years, Adam Fox was the equivalent of a first round pick. Likewise, if he'd been able to re-enter the draft, he would've been a first round pick.

The Rangers traded two second round picks for a first --- a move that the majority of this board would make without knowing the post-draft trajectory of the player we took.

The Rangers essentially made that trade, and landed a prospect who already established a post-draft trajectory. In essence, they had 3 first round picks in 2020 and used one of them to acquire Trouba, and the other to take an "over-age" player.

 

[romba]

He also throws a big hit every few games when the stars align properly. Once he's stronger and even more acclimated to the NHL pace (scary thought) he's going to completely take over games on both sides of the rink.

 

[True Blue]

For one reason or another, I had to watch the game on Habs tv. Not sure if this was discussed on MSG at all but his deliver to the net is almost always with his wrist shot. He almost never winds up and blasts. Which is fine, as a quick wrister is a great way to get the puck on net.

 

[The New Russian Five]

For one reason or another, I had to watch the game on Habs tv. Not sure if this was discussed on MSG at all but his deliver to the net is almost always with his wrist shot. He almost never winds up and blasts. Which is fine, as a quick wrister is a great way to get the puck on net.

And yet it creates more chances than Trouba's big wind-ups. It's all about placement and timing it with traffic heading to the net. Fox is extremely good at reading the play before he shoots. Kid is just a stud.

 

[True Blue]

And yet it creates more chances than Trouba's big wind-ups. It's all about placement and timing it with traffic heading to the net. Fox is extremely good at reading the play before he shoots. Kid is just a stud.

I didn't bring it up in a negative context. Just found it to be an interesting statistic.

 

[The New Russian Five]

I didn't bring it up in a negative context. Just found it to be an interesting statistic.

I didn't think you did. Just pointing out how much more effective his shot selection is than Trouba's.

 

[romba]

For one reason or another, I had to watch the game on Habs tv. Not sure if this was discussed on MSG at all but his deliver to the net is almost always with his wrist shot. He almost never winds up and blasts. Which is fine, as a quick wrister is a great way to get the puck on net.

I feel like TDA is the same way. He had that perfectly placed changeup slapper that fluttered in when he scored the hat trick earlier this year, but aside from that he mostly changes the angle to find a seam to wrist the puck through. Last night this resulted in Strome's deflection I think as well. With traffic in front velocity really isn't that important. Without traffic it can be helpful to generate juicier rebounds using the slapper.

 

[True Blue]

I feel like TDA is the same way. He had that perfectly placed changeup slapper that fluttered in when he scored the hat trick earlier this year, but aside from that he mostly changes the angle to find a seam to wrist the puck through. Last night this resulted in Strome's deflection I think as well. With traffic in front velocity really isn't that important. Without traffic it can be helpful to generate juicier rebounds using the slapper.

DeAngelo does have a good slapshot though and is not afraid to use it. It is actually absurd at the the percentage when Fox uses the wrister. I have long been a proponent that if you place bodies in front of the net, one need not have that booming slapshot for a point shot to be effective.

 

[Levitate]

yes there are very few players in the NHL who are legitimate threats to score from the blueline with a slapshot. If you're not one of them it's nto really worth blasting away all the time

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

What surprises me about Fox (and Lindgren, for that matter) is it doesn't seem like he/they are playing over their heads. These guys are just that good.