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Value of: Actual realistic offers for Chychrun from other fanbases

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Schemp said:
Don't want it to happen but you have to give to get

Lamoureux, Hayton
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That's a pretty good offer. Hayton's offense just disappeared last year but some of that is unsustainable. Even if he tops out as a third line center, he's still young with size and defensive acumen. That's some nice and cheap Norris-insurance as well because Stutzle-Pinto-Hayton is still a great young center trio...and maybe better balanced. I really like Lamoureux - huge size, sneaky skill - he'd be a potential top four guy for the future who again would offer some size and balance to the Sens defensive core.

I'm not a Sens fan but I think that's an offer that you have to consider.
 
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I’d think Penguins 2nd (46) and either Poulin/Ponomarev would be my offer… my question is how much more for Pinto?
 
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An awkward part of this whole deal, is that it may have to wait until after the big initial Free Agent Frenzy rush.

Where his value right now is probably being suppressed a little bit, by the prospect of various "UFA Defencemen" being theoretically available for "free" (or nothing but cash and cap). But once things all settle out of that initial wave of free agency...i think Chychrun's value likely surges a bit...for the various teams that are left without a chair when the music stops.

ie. There are a lot of teams likely looking at the same free agent defencemen as their "Plan A"...but there's no way that they're all going to get their man. So at some point, Chychrun's value should climb again as a good "Plan B" for a number of teams who missed out in UFA.



But waiting on that leaves Ottawa in a bit of a potentially awkward situation. Particularly if they want to go to work in the UFA market themselves in the meantime.
 
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Outl4w said:
Jeannot+Cernak for Chychrun . All players could use a fresh start.
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Does Tampa really need another LHD? With Hedman, Sergachyov, McDonagh all already in the fold? Even if some of those can play their off side...

FlyguyOX said:
Chychrun + for Farabee since Chychrun will need an extension
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Depending on how heavy duty the "+" is...i'd be all over that from an Ottawa perspective.

A redundant LHD with limited term remaining and hasn't worked out for the Sens...for a real good young Top-6 Winger on a solid cost stabilized, good value contract with term? Easy win for Ottawa unless that + is significant.
 
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Forget the high 1st given up, at this point the Sens would be fortunate to recoup the two 2nds they gave up in the deal as well.

I expect the highest pick to be offered for Chychrun will be a 2nd, with an additional secondary asset included with it.

There's just so few teams out there that need a left handed offensive defenseman to QB their top PP, and picks are at a premium this time of year.

I'm going to guess he's traded in a swap for another player. Whoever suggested Chychrun + Joseph for Laughton + something is on the right track.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
Forget the high 1st given up, at this point the Sens would be fortunate to recoup the two 2nds they gave up in the deal as well.

I expect the highest pick to be offered for Chychrun will be a 2nd, with an additional secondary asset included with it.

There's just so few teams out there that need a left handed offensive defenseman to QB their top PP, and picks are at a premium this time of year.

I'm going to guess he's traded in a swap for another player. Whoever suggested Chychrun + Joseph for Laughton + something is on the right track.
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Add Risto from the Flyers. Defensive RHD who has been rehabbed to play well enough on the second pair. I’d do it then, otherwise we have too many D.
 
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I can't think of a team other than St. Louis that would pay anything close to "fair" for him. Most teams have their LDs locked in already, there's a bunch hitting the free market, and teams that could be looking for LDs (Calgary, Utah, San Jose, Nashville, Toronto, Vancouver if Zadorov leaves) would want someone other than Chychrun for a myriad of reasons. Blues were willing to offer a 1st for Sanheim last year and Chychrun is cheap enough where they don't have to worry about moving Leddy or Krug if they get creative
 
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Schemp said:
Don't want it to happen but you have to give to get

Lamoureux, Hayton
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Chychrun

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God no. Chychrun and Hayton both have no value. Lamoreaux is a recent 1st rounder who has only shown improvement. Hayton for Chych, well, that I'd consider. But I don't think Utah should want him on their team anyways considering how he left and got what he wanted and then has immediately started to suck donkey turds after that. We also don't have the partner to pair him with anyways, which was kind of the whole point.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
Forget the high 1st given up, at this point the Sens would be fortunate to recoup the two 2nds they gave up in the deal as well.

I expect the highest pick to be offered for Chychrun will be a 2nd, with an additional secondary asset included with it
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I agree with this. I think his value right now is at best 2 2nds and I don't think he even hits that mark without something else for incentive.
 

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thedjpd said:
Add Risto from the Flyers. Defensive RHD who has been rehabbed to play well enough on the second pair. I’d do it then, otherwise we have too many D.
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Are the Flyers including the 12th OVR pick? Why would the Sens take on Risto's awful contract and give up assets to do so?
 

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thedjpd said:
Is Laughton not an asset?

I didn’t realize an underperforming D who has said he won’t re-sign had so much value.

Keep him, then.
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I'd pay about a much for Laughton as Chychrun - two 2nds would be the absolute ceiling.

I'd want at least a 1st to take on Ristolainen @ 5.1M for the next 3 years.
 

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with one year left i wonder if a cup competitor would take a big swing. nyr has some space and could go all in next season.
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the all in false narrative has to die, not just for nyr
most of the time it is pure stupidity
it does not work 99% of the time and cannibalizes futures which means if you don't win the cup you are worse off trying to match a competitive season and improve

the smart play is to continue to build, try to make intelligent moves
and extend your window = legit chance to make a run until your core ages out forcing rebuild

that is why if you have an old core with maybe only a season or 2 left, THEN MAYBE you go all in

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besides this ^, Chych is not a fit as a rental, and we do not have spare cap for him
he is good but flawed

The deal here is foundation piece + for foundation piece +

LaF + Gabe P + Lindgren
for
Sanderson + Pinto + Bost 2024 1st + OTT 2025 + 2026 2nds


LaF = superior Steve Vickers W w/elite potential, excellent 5x5,
helps immediately w/scoring
AND is a marketing coup w/the quebec side of the fan base
x 2 b'c Habs did not cough up for a foundation piece
will need long term contract around the corner but likely less than Sanderson short term

Gabe P = mid 1st round steal elc will help as soon as he is ready, possibly 20245
Lindgren has 2 2nds value but is a short term clear the crease stopgap

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Rs will gamble Scanlin is ready; Fortescue looks promising but is a yr away
Othman replaces LaF

Sanderson = partner for Fox

Pinto = 3C for Cuylle - Kakko if Chytil not up to it, useful if he does
and picks help
 
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God no. Chychrun and Hayton both have no value. Lamoreaux is a recent 1st rounder who has only shown improvement. Hayton for Chych, well, that I'd consider. But I don't think Utah should want him on their team anyways considering how he left and got what he wanted and then has immediately started to suck donkey turds after that. We also don't have the partner to pair him with anyways, which was kind of the whole point.
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I posted what I thought was a fair trade when I was trying to figure out what the roster/salary cap may look like. (Funny as it sounds, may need help getting to the salary floor.) I originally thought Kesselring offered, but changed to Hayton.
I posted in a different thread that I would like to expand it if Lamoureux was included to Chychrun and Pinto for Mav, Hayton, Kesselring, and their '26 2nd. Then I wouldn't be so adamant on signing Lindholm.
 
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