Speculation: Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XXIX
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hb13xchamps
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He's currently making 6.6 so I'm guessing somewhere around that number. Probably could get 7 on the FA market from some team willing to overpay
Edit: Backstrom's cap hit is 6.7. His salary will bump up the next few seasons to 6.5, 7, 7.5, then 8 million his final year in 19-20
BrooklynCapsFan
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Carlzner
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If we're talking complete career wise then yeah but... kinda an odd comment.
If we are talking about how they played while on this team, this is a silly comment. It's Backstrom.
Backstrom of 4 years ago was a top 5 C in the NHL. As of now, I can think of about 10 C's off the top of my head (Crosby, Toews, Tavares, Getzlaf, Stamkos, Couture, Giroux, Kopitar, Bergeron, Malkin, Seguin) that I'd trade straight up for Nicky.
BobRouse
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you forgot andre nikolishin.
Haha old Andre! We've had plenty of mediocre 2nd/3rd line hybrids like him in the past.
But as a #1? Carpenter early on? But that didn't last too long and he really only had that single elite year.
Maybe Pivonka could have panned out if he didn't succumb to brutal knee injuries but he was not on the level of Backstrom.
BobRouse
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Lets look at the list:
Toews and Tavares have yet to play an entire season at a PPG pace. Seguin is having a very good year but he is not a great defensive player. Toews is an outstanding player. But how much of that personal success is due to the insane forward depth and that D corps Chicago has???
Bergeron is a very good defensive center who chips in offensively but is more a product of the depth that team has. He fits his specific role very well. Maybe as good as anyone in the league. But a #1C he is not.
Getzlaf was in danger of being dumped a couple years back. He was playing awful and brutally lazy.
Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin and Giroux are among the top players in the world. To be mentioned with them is more of a compliment than a strike.
But more importantly what are you saying....that because there are arguably 10 better centers than him currently that you'd want to trade him?? Are you saying if he was offered 1 for 1 for one of those guys that you'd make the trade? If so what are you proving there?
If we trade Backstrom I think people here are looking to get a top end D back. That will fill one hole by creating a giant crater in another positon.
We trade him for a 1B/2C in a package where we get some other stuff?
I think the truth is "Backstrom has been playind da lazy stuff! Timez to trade him! I is awezome at internetz GM!! WIN!"
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Not the 38 yr old version....maybe the 25 yr old version that we never saw except when he was killing us.
Carlzner
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I mean... it's pretty obvious to me. Both of our superstars stopped performing well at ES once we hired this most recent coach.
And we're looking to trade one of them? The one who plays the position that we've been needing top 6 depth at for almost the entire Ovechkin era?
And we're looking to trade one of them? The one who plays the position that we've been needing top 6 depth at for almost the entire Ovechkin era?
hb13xchamps
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And to add to it, Kopitar really wasn't ever mentioned as a top 10 center until the Kings won the cup. He also has a good D, world class goaltender, and solid forward depth.
Couture has never been a PPG player in his career and has never reached more than 65 points in his career.
BrooklynCapsFan
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Backstrom is tied for 95th among forwards in even strength points and his physicality and defense are completely gone. Unfortunately it's up to our pro scouts to decide whether he has it in him to return to how he played 5 years ago.
BobRouse
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Right. Its a mere symptom of the irrational knee jerk fan who is frustrated that has the "what have you done for me lately" mindset.
strungout
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hb13xchamps
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Focus the hate.
surprised he doesn't have a pink or purple shirt on in that picture
BrooklynCapsFan
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trick9
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Focus the hate.
Should focus it on the right guy.
The one that hired that clown and after a decade has still not fixed the biggest issue in this team.
strungout
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I would...but Im with Tinner in the mindset that Mafki isn't going anywhere and this is what we are stuck with.
I could never 'Hate' Mafki. He done plently of good things. His time should be up...but he's sticking around. At least thats the vibe I get.
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Ovi not playing defense yet commanding top TOI needs to be addressed head on, eventually. Mega offense had its fair shake. It really did.
If every coach we end up bringing in turns to trapping boring hockey because of Ovi, and our top center shows a disdain for defense following suit, its an untenable situation. Something needs to give. Talk of trading Ovi dominated this board for many months, yet talk of Nick is off limits. Ok lets make pretend. what would he return?
And that something is, a high quality D. The bane of McPhee's existence. Yep, parlay Nick into a LD that gives a full effort every night. Roll with 2 2Cs but add a 1LD. Try something different. Our lineup has gone stale, all our stars shells of their former selves. Ovi doesnt hit anymore, Nick doesnt play D anymore, Green seems to have regressed in all aspects, and Laich cannot stay healthy.
You want quality, you need to give it up.
What is the alternative, try mega offense again, and let the stars unwillingness or inability to play defense set the tone for the team indefinitely?
Tex right on cue alleging Nick is the next whipping post
Don't ever change, as your predictability adds humor to your high drama posts.
If every coach we end up bringing in turns to trapping boring hockey because of Ovi, and our top center shows a disdain for defense following suit, its an untenable situation. Something needs to give. Talk of trading Ovi dominated this board for many months, yet talk of Nick is off limits. Ok lets make pretend. what would he return?
And that something is, a high quality D. The bane of McPhee's existence. Yep, parlay Nick into a LD that gives a full effort every night. Roll with 2 2Cs but add a 1LD. Try something different. Our lineup has gone stale, all our stars shells of their former selves. Ovi doesnt hit anymore, Nick doesnt play D anymore, Green seems to have regressed in all aspects, and Laich cannot stay healthy.
You want quality, you need to give it up.
What is the alternative, try mega offense again, and let the stars unwillingness or inability to play defense set the tone for the team indefinitely?
Tex right on cue alleging Nick is the next whipping post
Don't ever change, as your predictability adds humor to your high drama posts.
txpd
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I am on this wagon myself. all this talk about McPhee being in the last year of his deal is still just speculation from Canadian sources. right? count on that and you are asking for trouble
BobRouse
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Yes it would be better for everyone's mindset if we come to grips that McPhee isn't going anywhere. Then if he does get aced it will be a pleasant surprise. But really..he's not going just yet.
Trading Ovie talk last year was just as foolish as the trade Backstrom talk this year. A true #1C is every bit as hard to find as a true #1D. Swapping chairs on the Titanic won't allow it to stay afloat.
There have been plenty of top offensive players who cared little for D. Brett Hull was downright notorious and brash about it for example.
I do think this is more system related.
Trading Ovie talk last year was just as foolish as the trade Backstrom talk this year. A true #1C is every bit as hard to find as a true #1D. Swapping chairs on the Titanic won't allow it to stay afloat.
There have been plenty of top offensive players who cared little for D. Brett Hull was downright notorious and brash about it for example.
I do think this is more system related.
Even with his recent inadequacy at ES, Backstrom to Kesler is a pretty big downgrade. If there's an opportunity to seize, you seize it, but you can't just "find" one because you want to. I would trade Backstrom under the right circumstances, but it probably is worth seeing how he might respond to a legitimate coach first/instead.
Edit: I would probably do it for Subban but there would have to be something else significant worked out to get an actually good center or Plekanec coming back.
BrooklynCapsFan
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I don't disagree about not forcing a trade. To the last point, it's been four years since his 100 point season and his intangibles have disappeared with his production.
I used to think he had Selke potential. Not anymore.
Backstrom may not play to his much higher potential; Kesler may miss half the year with a knee injury.
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Yes, it is system related. But it’s also related to the fact that the organization has not accepted that Ovie at this point is Brett Hull. A great goal-scorer with a lethal one-timer who can’t really create for himself anymore and isn’t very good at playing D (I actually think he’s more interested in doing it than Hull was, but he’s not to, er, ept). You have to coach the players you have, not the players you wish you had.
txpd
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I think its emotional. Any manager that thinks his players don't need to be motivated because they are pros is sorely mistaken.
For every Tom Landry that there is you have 5 Bill Parcells. There are different levels of that but from my own management of air staff on radio stations, people need to be reminded about putting their best game forward every game. some need more reminding that others. some need to be yelled at while others need to be complimented. no matter how you cut it, you have to push people to be their best.
that oates thinks its unnecessary shows me he is fatally flawed.
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