Speculation: Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XXIX

[BrooklynCapsFan]

your new favorite eh? you miss the point clearly. hitting green was never about making him cough up the puck. he was the ignitor of the caps offense and the zone entry on their power play. take him out or mess up his game and you mess with ovechkin's game.

if he is not the primary puck carrier on the caps pp and the guy passing to ov for the one timer, he wont be the guy first on the list.

Hitting Green works because it knocks him out of the series and moves rubbish up the depth chart. Nothing about that has changed.

 

[BobRouse]

Green isn't going to sign an extention with the Caps at all if it means reduced money and ice time. If he's peaked here, there are others that will give him the chance. He knows that.

This off season Green is to the Caps what Ribeiro was to the Stars. A player with one year remaining that can bring a decent return with question marks in play. The one year gives the new team a chance to see if he works for them or not without a major commitment.

There is no chance the Caps should keep Green with the idea being to trade him at the deadline. Either extend him now or trading him.

I agree and I wouldn't offer him a paycut with the cap going up and the downright scarcity of dmen. I'd offer 4 or 5 years at 6 to 6.5 million personally. He will get better offers as a UFA so he would most likely decline (again with the cap going up all preconceived numbers need to be erased from our minds...6 million with a 42 million cap is different than 6 million in a 65 million cap clearly

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

I think we all agree that this team is built very poorly, heavy on wingers, short on C, D and G.

Same thing can be said about the prospect pool. Wilson, Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, Barber, Brown are all top-9 material as wingers. Stephenson, Latta, Carrick and Bowey along with Grubauer is pretty much the best of the rest.

The free agent market isn't going to fill the glaring holes in the Caps roster either, at least not this year.

IMO, this team is in need of a heavy shakeup! I'm talking a core-altering re-tool, to find balance between offense and defense, youth and experience, grit and skill. So I've been toying with some trade scenarios. Probably unfair or unrealistic scenarios, but never less one that I'd confidently roll into next season with!

I'd start off by re-signing Halak @4yr $16M and Grabovski @3yr $14,25M.

Then to the earth rattling stuff!

:coyotes
Alex Ovechkin


Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Mikkel Boedker
Max Domi
1st 2014
2nd 2015

Trading Ovechkin is probably the last thing this franchise would do, but IMO for this ship to be rightened that is the only way to get pieces in order to build the roster the right way.
Ekman-Larsson is self explanatory, Yotes are dealing from a position of strength and could probably handle the loss of him. Boedker is just starting to tap into his potential as a solid top-6 winger, Domi gives the Caps a C with grit and top-6 upside, which have been unheard of during the Ovechkin-era! The picks are probably the in the middle of the pack this year and an extra pick for next years deep draft.

:Avs
Mike Green
Troy Brouwer
Andre Burakovsky


Ryan O'Reilly
Erik Johnson

Avs are center heavy with Duchene, Stastny, O'Reilly and McKinnon and have had O'Reilly playing wing this season. The have to decide what to do with Stastny but moving ROR should make that choice simple. Johnson is their #1D and probably not eager the trade him. Hopefully they see the benefit for the power play by switching to Green and he should also fit the Avs up-tempo hockey really well. Brouwer adds size and some goal scoring from the wing. Burakovsky-McKinnon should be a lethal duo in a year or two!
Caps get their 2C with shutdown capability and a little more well-rounded 2RD but with less offensive upside.


Marcus Johansson
Braden Holtby


Andrew Ladd

Caps get a veteran leader type, no particular strength and no weakness. Works hard, put up points, responsible etc, fits the need of what Caps IMO need on the wing. Jets have been rumored shopping him for a shakeup and adding two young fine pieces in Johansson/Holtby should be very enticing for them.

Then go hard after Morris or Robidas on the free market!


Ladd-Backstrom-Kuznetsov
Boedker-O'Reilly-Wilson
Chimera-Grabovski-Ward
Brown-Laich-Fehr
Latta-Beagle

Ekman Larsson-Carlson
Alzner-Johnson
Orlov-Morris
Hillen

Halak
Grubauer

Compliance Buy out Erskine!

Remember what I said, it's a highely unlikely scenario, so try to focus on value and for the fit for the organizations involved!

So you've managed to trade the best player the franchise has ever seen into a team with no goal scorers, mediocre goaltending, and still with a defenseman in the top-4 that's gives inconsistent effort and defensive coverage. That's basically the Coyotes without the top-level goaltending.

Congrats.

 

[txpd]

I agree and I wouldn't offer him a paycut with the cap going up and the downright scarcity of dmen. I'd offer 4 or 5 years at 6 to 6.5 million personally. He will get better offers as a UFA so he would most likely decline (again with the cap going up all preconceived numbers need to be erased from our minds...6 million with a 42 million cap is different than 6 million in a 65 million cap clearly

the debris from the exploding heads around here if that happens will be epic.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

the debris from the exploding heads around here if that happens will be epic.

And more entertaining and successful than the on ice product.

 

[ChibiPooky]

I agree and I wouldn't offer him a paycut with the cap going up and the downright scarcity of dmen. I'd offer 4 or 5 years at 6 to 6.5 million personally. He will get better offers as a UFA so he would most likely decline (again with the cap going up all preconceived numbers need to be erased from our minds...6 million with a 42 million cap is different than 6 million in a 65 million cap clearly

Thinking about this.

The solution is to trade him now. Caps can't make an extension offer that he takes IMO - other teams will give him more term than Caps are comfortable with. If they don't trade him this offseason, my bet is he walks for nothing, leaving the Caps with 2 top 4 defensemen.

 

[Zoidberg Jesus]

Thinking about this.

The solution is to trade him now. Caps can't make an extension offer that he takes IMO - other teams will give him more term than Caps are comfortable with. If they don't trade him this offseason, my bet is he walks for nothing, leaving the Caps with 2 top 4 defensemen.

It's fine man! We've got Carrick to take his spot, and that's sure to go as well as Schmidt... er, Orlov went this year.

But seriously, trade him to a team like Detroit for futures, use some combination of those futures/our futures/Johanson/Brouwer/whatever to get Edler, then replace Green by signing Fayne or trading for Petry. Not too complicated.

 

[BobRouse]

the debris from the exploding heads around here if that happens will be epic.

But exploding heads are so fun! I want to see the Caps make the playoffs too just to see them!

Thinking about this.

The solution is to trade him now. Caps can't make an extension offer that he takes IMO - other teams will give him more term than Caps are comfortable with. If they don't trade him this offseason, my bet is he walks for nothing, leaving the Caps with 2 top 4 defensemen.

I think we can all agree on this. If he doesn't want to sign the extension now then trade him. This, like TX said, is a Ribeiro situation (even more magnified) as if we were Dallas back then.

I vote in favor of bringing him back and I'd even do 5 for $35. I think TX and I are the only ones who would be this gameplan and not sure he even would be!!

 

[hb13xchamps]

I vote in favor of bringing him back and I'd even do 5 for $35. I think TX and I are the only ones who would be this gameplan and not sure he even would be!!

Bringing him back either means one of two things:

1. Oates and Calle let Green play like he did when Bruce was here and use his offensive talent

or

2. Fire them and bring in an actual coach that doesn't suck

 

[BobRouse]

Bringing him back either means one of two things:

1. Oates and Calle let Green play like he did when Bruce was here and use his offensive talent

or

2. Fire them and bring in an actual coach that doesn't suck

I think you are dead on here. One of those two has to happen.

 

[Dream Big]

Everyone counting on the cap going up needs to pump the brakes a bit. I'm guessing it will still go up but not what was projected.

The Canadian dollar is going down and this impacts NHL revenues.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/loonie-falls-on-stephen-poloz-s-gloomy-forecast-for-growth-1.2577225

 

[Dream Big]

Bringing him back either means one of two things:

1. Oates and Calle let Green play like he did when Bruce was here and use his offensive talent

or

2. Fire them and bring in an actual coach that doesn't suck

Bring back double nickel?

 

[Ridley Simon]

I think you are dead on here. One of those two has to happen.

Yeah. 7th times a charm for old George.

Hopefully they'd get a fresh young newbie coach this time. Not some experienced winner....

 

[g00n]

What other teams are going to take Green in a trade and give good value in the offseason? Why take on an injury and flight risk for high dollar and decreased stats? It's a fantasy trade situation.

Too much is up in the air regarding GMGM to predict what will happen with the players.

If GMGM stays, we all know how he operates and there's more of a chance of an extension or losing the player for nothing than there is a big trade (unless Green says "TRADE ME RIGHT ****ING NOW"). He could be accumulating cap space for just such a situation rather than significant FA help (yes, heads will explode).

If GMGM goes then all bets are off. A new GM could have a totally different take on the team and the roster and Green could be gone BEFORE the deadline for all we know.

I'm 50/50 on Green. I think too much depends on injury, the coach and getting TWO top 4 d-men on the roster.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Everyone counting on the cap going up needs to pump the brakes a bit. I'm guessing it will still go up but not what was projected.

The Canadian dollar is going down and this impacts NHL revenues.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/loonie-falls-on-stephen-poloz-s-gloomy-forecast-for-growth-1.2577225

Even if the revenue of all the Canadian teams decreased proportionally to the Loonie (which they wouldn't due to set TV/advertising contracts), it would only amount to a 1% decrease for 20% of the league. Hardly something that would impact the cap significantly.

 

[txpd]

Thinking about this.

The solution is to trade him now. Caps can't make an extension offer that he takes IMO - other teams will give him more term than Caps are comfortable with. If they don't trade him this offseason, my bet is he walks for nothing, leaving the Caps with 2 top 4 defensemen.

one does not solve the problem of the other. very unlikely that the return on green would be a top 4 defenseman. look at the ribeiro trade. something like that. a good prospect and a draft pick is what he would bring. that prospect could be a top 4 d prospect, but that makes the caps defense which is already too young, younger yet.

it would require two moves. out with the old in one move and in with the new with the other.

 

[txpd]

BR, I would only sign on to an extention if the plan was to use the player as a primary rather than a secondary. If Oates wont and Oates is the coach, the player should be traded. Green can't be happy sitting on the bench during the power play. So I doubt he is very interested in the contract anyway.

the next trade request may already be on the table.

 

[Mothra]

your new favorite eh? you miss the point clearly. hitting green was never about making him cough up the puck. he was the ignitor of the caps offense and the zone entry on their power play. take him out or mess up his game and you mess with ovechkin's game.

if he is not the primary puck carrier on the caps pp and the guy passing to ov for the one timer, he wont be the guy first on the list.

52 will be a target whenever he is on the ice, regardless of who he is paired with or if at ES or PP. As BCF says...it works, its a proven method and until he learns to deal with it and avoid some of it, its not changing.

Its not just one guy that goes after him...every player in a different sweater seems to go right at him. It is so completely obvious that is the book on 52. Give him space and he can be dangerous...take it away and he is essentially negated. Im not sure what you mean about "wont be first in line"...I will say this, he will be a target at all times when he is on the ice

 

[Mothra]

I agree and I wouldn't offer him a paycut with the cap going up and the downright scarcity of dmen. I'd offer 4 or 5 years at 6 to 6.5 million personally. He will get better offers as a UFA so he would most likely decline (again with the cap going up all preconceived numbers need to be erased from our minds...6 million with a 42 million cap is different than 6 million in a 65 million cap clearly

BR....thats totally crazy. I am not certain you are even serious

 

[Mothra]

BR, I would only sign on to an extention if the plan was to use the player as a primary rather than a secondary. If Oates wont and Oates is the coach, the player should be traded. Green can't be happy sitting on the bench during the power play. So I doubt he is very interested in the contract anyway.

the next trade request may already be on the table.

again I ask...why should 52 be getting more minutes? You must think he has earned it with his play. He is getting nearly 23 minutes a night, less than 2 minutes fewer that Carlson. Carlson has had a fine season and is progressing into a very good all around player....but you want to move him back to give 52 a few more shifts, because why? I know I know...you think 52 is "better"...what does that mean? All this "Oates wont play him" is nonsense....Oates is playing the better player a couple more shifts a game...wow, crazyness

 

[Roughing]

Mike Green can score. His defense is not good. The guy could be a 3rd line, 25-goal RW. He could likely do all things Troy Brouwer does, maybe better. Unless they want to pair him with an excellent defensive Dman I don't want Green around, especially the softer/injured $6M Green.

 

[IPreferPi]

Moving this proposal from the trade forum to here. ChibiPooky already indicated his approval for it:

:coyotes
Troy Brouwer
Michael Latta


Lauri Korpikoski
Michael Stone

Thoughts? Feel free to add/tinker.

 

[Mothra]

Mike Green can score. His defense is not good. The guy could be a 3rd line, 25-goal RW. He could likely do all things Troy Brouwer does, maybe better. Unless they want to pair him with an excellent defensive Dman I don't want Green around, especially the softer/injured $6M Green.

I just dont see anything in his game that screams forward...as a winger I dont see him outworking guys in the corners and along the boards. If he were good at that his D would be much much better

 

[BobRouse]

BR....thats totally crazy. I am not certain you are even serious

I think you highly undervalue Green as do most Caps fans. Dallas traded Neal to get Goligoski. Anaheim gave up Kunitz to get Whitney. Those guys are a fraction of the player Green is.

Elite puck moving dmen are insanely valued.

Let's look at Brian Campbell when the Hawks signed him. Green is a superior player and at this point accomplished far more than Campbell did at that point. The Salary cap was significantly lower too. Look at contracts that guys like Boyle, Campbell and Gonchar got.

He will get paid and excel if he's allowed to do what he does best.

BR, I would only sign on to an extention if the plan was to use the player as a primary rather than a secondary. If Oates wont and Oates is the coach, the player should be traded. Green can't be happy sitting on the bench during the power play. So I doubt he is very interested in the contract anyway.

the next trade request may already be on the table.

Have to agree with this.

What other teams are going to take Green in a trade and give good value in the offseason? Why take on an injury and flight risk for high dollar and decreased stats? It's a fantasy trade situation.

Too much is up in the air regarding GMGM to predict what will happen with the players.

If GMGM stays, we all know how he operates and there's more of a chance of an extension or losing the player for nothing than there is a big trade (unless Green says "TRADE ME RIGHT ****ING NOW"). He could be accumulating cap space for just such a situation rather than significant FA help (yes, heads will explode).

If GMGM goes then all bets are off. A new GM could have a totally different take on the team and the roster and Green could be gone BEFORE the deadline for all we know.

I'm 50/50 on Green. I think too much depends on injury, the coach and getting TWO top 4 d-men on the roster.

Again see above. Green will bring something considerable in return if we trade him.

Getting the TWO top 4 dmen would be a tough challenge since we can't even seem to get 1.

The FA market for Dmen is not good this year. We'd have to get a dman back in a trade and then pray Carlson doesn't get injured since we'd fully have to rely on him for the PP and when we are down a goal or so.

We'd get more value for him during the offseason than we would at the next TDL. More teams would be in the bidding since all are tied for first place and all will have at least 6 mil or so in cap space.

If we aren't going to extend him and allow him to be who he is then this is THE perfect offseason to trade him.

 

[g00n]

I think you highly undervalue Green as do most Caps fans. Dallas traded Neal to get Goligoski. Anaheim gave up Kunitz to get Whitney. Those guys are a fraction of the player Green is.

Elite puck moving dmen are insanely valued.

Let's look at Brian Campbell when the Hawks signed him. Green is a superior player and at this point accomplished far more than Campbell did at that point. The Salary cap was significantly lower too. Look at contracts that guys like Boyle, Campbell and Gonchar got.

He will get paid and excel if he's allowed to do what he does best.



Have to agree with this.



Again see above. Green will bring something considerable in return if we trade him.

Getting the TWO top 4 dmen would be a tough challenge since we can't even seem to get 1.

The FA market for Dmen is not good this year. We'd have to get a dman back in a trade and then pray Carlson doesn't get injured since we'd fully have to rely on him for the PP and when we are down a goal or so.

We'd get more value for him during the offseason than we would at the next TDL. More teams would be in the bidding since all are tied for first place and all will have at least 6 mil or so in cap space.

If we aren't going to extend him and allow him to be who he is then this is THE perfect offseason to trade him.

Perfect for US, but again, what benefit is there for other teams? Every team starts the offseason "in first place" yet how many trades for a guy with 1 year left, troubling injury history, this kind of money, and decreasing stats do you see happen? If we're going to accuse caps fans of lacking perspective when it comes to Green's value, then why would we neglect the perspective other teams may have in looking at the negatives surrounding an offseason trade?