Speculation: Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XXIX

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ChibiPooky

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Welcome back BR.

This summer is indeed the last time compliance buyouts can be used. I'm not sure about being able to medically clear a player when there are no remaining games for his team - have put the question out. We'll see if I can get any responses from CBA gurus.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why Oates/McPhee seem insistent on cycling in unready Hershey guys to the roster every week and yet Oleksy and Latta sit in PA?

Honestly though this has to be the most individual players to play on the Caps roster in a season in some time. I think it was only 2-3 years ago where I think we only called up/rotated a handful of guys, it was a big deal when a new Hershey guy was taking to the ice. Now it feels like I've seen all of Hershey's roster and Reading's in the Verizon Center at some point. Every night it's a new foreign number on a sweater.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why Oates/McPhee seem insistent on cycling in unready Hershey guys to the roster every week and yet Oleksy and Latta sit in PA?

Honestly though this has to be the most individual players to play on the Caps roster in a season in some time. I think it was only 2-3 years ago where I think we only called up/rotated a handful of guys, it was a big deal when a new Hershey guy was taking to the ice. Now it feels like I've seen all of Hershey's roster and Reading's in the Verizon Center at some point. Every night it's a new foreign number on a sweater.



Look at what GMGM was doing to Orlov with the token call-ups and whatnot in order to satisfy some contractual or legal technicality. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these roster moves have similar contract or CBA implications (such as needing to play X games with Y team for Z condition to be met).
 

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I think its because our roster is a trainwreck without the Hershey guys filtering in, and George and Oates are desperate.
 

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A little independent research.

Season.............# of unique players.............Overall Record.............Coach


2013-14.............38.............32-27-10.............Oates
2012-13.............31.............27-18-3.............Oates
2011-12.............30.............42-32-8.............Boudreau/Hunter
2010-11.............35.............48-23-11.............Boudreau
2009-10.............38.............54-15-13.............Boudreau
2008-09.............39.............50-24-8.............Boudreau


In the late 2000's/early 2010's the Caps were calling up as many players as they are now but it was seemingly due to a deep pool of talent. The Bears won Calder cups in both 08-09 and 09-10, and several of our current players played both in Hershey and Washington. The development of players seemed more organic and focused on the long term development. In both those seasons Alzner didn't play more than 30 games with Washington, he wasn't rushed at all.
 

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Really is sad how we're going to waste 8 if we don't shore up the defense. That should be priorities 1-99. Resigning Grabo is the next item for action and GMGM should have more leverage now that he's been injured.

He'll probably just do nothing about the D and let Grabo walk because that's his recipe for success.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why Oates/McPhee seem insistent on cycling in unready Hershey guys to the roster every week and yet Oleksy and Latta sit in PA?

Oleksy has been garbage in Hershey since his demotion. He's even been a healthy scratch down there. He hasn't earned his way back into the good graces yet.

Latta isn't left handed, and thus isn't eligible to fill in for Volpatti/Laich. Beagle is fine as the 4C, and Wellman is a better offensive player to replace Grabovski.
 

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Thanks Chibi.

That is a pretty important question. But I still have hope Brooks can recover. We've seen flashes of what a sorta healthy Laich can do these past few weeks. I think its been so long that we've seen what a fully healthy Laich can do that we forget.

Now I understand he may not get there. But as part of the equation when coming to a decision to cut ties we have to factor in that he could get back to top form and I think a guy like him will do it. I guess it really depends on what the medical staff tells GMGM behind closed doors.


Whats your take on this past TDL? Not how good or bad it was...but rather the direction. Do you think it indicates whether GMGM will be back or not?
 

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Really is sad how we're going to waste 8 if we don't shore up the defense. That should be priorities 1-99. Resigning Grabo is the next item for action and GMGM should have more leverage now that he's been injured.

He'll probably just do nothing about the D and let Grabo walk because that's his recipe for success.

I agree, but the atrocious defense by the OV-Backstrom line is just sad. They have the ability to be a solid defensive line...
 

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Yes, you should. That's why contracts are guaranteed.

Buying out your alternate captain and NHLPA rep when you've got a ton of cap room because he's been injured isn't the greatest message to send.

Even though his whole injury thing started while playing overseas for someone else?

Just playing devil's advocate...
 

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Who cares about what message it sends? They'll get over it in a week, just like they got over Clark being traded. The odds of it turning into a long-term grudge are small enough to be a non-factor. That's like worrying about getting rid of Green before he turns into larry murphy

Flyers traded Richards and Carter and the locker room didn't collapse one bit.
 

ChibiPooky

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Whats your take on this past TDL? Not how good or bad it was...but rather the direction. Do you think it indicates whether GMGM will be back or not?

I grade McPhee highly for his deadline work. He shipped out the players who wanted out (though arguably he created the situations that caused them to want out), brought in some help at very palatable prices, and didn't overpay for guys who could have upgraded the roster at positions of need, but will likely still be available at the draft for less. In my mind, to be a contender this season, the Caps would have had to add a Ryan McDonagh caliber left-handed defenseman. That wasn't going to happen, so I'm OK with taking a rain check and seeing the prices come draft day.
 

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Why buy out Laich at this point?

We have tons of cap space so may as well see if he gets back into form. He's actually looked very good since the Olympic break in the sparse games I've watched.

If he gets back to being healthy he is a much needed player.

Can a compliance buyout even be used on an injured player?? If so isn't the last year to use our 2nd and last compliance buyout this summer?

If its this summer and Laich isn't cleared to play can we even buy him out?

Where have you been? Back to discuss the dying end, are you? George is reaping what he sowed, that's for sure.

Laich isn't himself anymore, playing or not. We got what...half dozen games of him being effective? At 4.5m a pop? That's a terrible waste of cap space. We could have a 5m dman for that, and one that actually contributes night in, and night out, not one that needs 40games to find his groove, then to get hurt again.

If he's healthy, but him out. Spend that money somewhere else (with a new GM making the decisions), and use all of the cap space to the fullest.

We can get a good enough 3C for less, and that actually contributes to the cause on a nightly basis.

Caps need to get rid of their deadwood. "Feel good" players. Laich is certainly one of those.

Or else get used to 11th place finishes in the east.
 

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I'm in for buying out Laich.

Anyone willing to do Wilson, Mojo, and a pick (probably a first) for Kesler at the draft? Or possibly acquire Stastny's rights?

Use Laich's buyout capspace to sign Ott for the #3C spot.

Resign Penner or another top 6 LW.

Sign an energy guy for the 4th line and another depth forward.

Sign some sort of NHL caliber defensemen that doesn't blow.

Kuznetsov-Backstrom-Ovechkin
Penner-Kesler-Brouwer
Chimera-Ott-Ward
LW-Latta-Fehr

Alzner-Carlson
LD-Green
Hillen-Schmidt?

Holtby
Halak? Or another veteran backup
 

ChibiPooky

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Kesler is a lot better than Grabovski and could play all situations

I think the improvement is bigger upgrading LD. While not of Kesler's caliber, Grabovski is second-line caliber at C. Hillen and Orlov are not second-pair caliber right now. If there's a LD available, that's the position that needs to be addressed with the highest priority IMO.
 

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I'm in for buying out Laich.

Anyone willing to do Wilson, Mojo, and a pick (probably a first) for Kesler at the draft? Or possibly acquire Stastny's rights?

Use Laich's buyout capspace to sign Ott for the #3C spot.

Resign Penner or another top 6 LW.

Sign an energy guy for the 4th line and another depth forward.

Sign some sort of NHL caliber defensemen that doesn't blow.

Kuznetsov-Backstrom-Ovechkin
Penner-Kesler-Brouwer
Chimera-Ott-Ward
LW-Latta-Fehr

Alzner-Carlson
LD-Green
Hillen-Schmidt?

Holtby
Halak? Or another veteran backup

Penner hasn't really shown us anything worth resigning for and if anything, I'd rather keep Grabo as the 3C if we go for another center.

Besides that I don't get why everyone wants to dump Mojo and/or Wilson. I'd be trying to package Brouwer for something else and bump Ward or Wilson up a line. Mojo has also looked a hundred times better at Center, in my eyes, so I'd rather move him to 3C between Chimera and Ward/Wilson.
 

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I grade McPhee highly for his deadline work. He shipped out the players who wanted out (though arguably he created the situations that caused them to want out), brought in some help at very palatable prices, and didn't overpay for guys who could have upgraded the roster at positions of need, but will likely still be available at the draft for less. In my mind, to be a contender this season, the Caps would have had to add a Ryan McDonagh caliber left-handed defenseman. That wasn't going to happen, so I'm OK with taking a rain check and seeing the prices come draft day.

I 100% agree with everything you say here. 100%

But what, if anything, does this tell you about McPhee's future with the Caps?

In another post I mentioned that, to me, it indicates 100% McPhee (and thereby Oates) will be back next year.

Where have you been? Back to discuss the dying end, are you? George is reaping what he sowed, that's for sure.

Laich isn't himself anymore, playing or not. We got what...half dozen games of him being effective? At 4.5m a pop? That's a terrible waste of cap space. We could have a 5m dman for that, and one that actually contributes night in, and night out, not one that needs 40games to find his groove, then to get hurt again.

If he's healthy, but him out. Spend that money somewhere else (with a new GM making the decisions), and use all of the cap space to the fullest.

We can get a good enough 3C for less, and that actually contributes to the cause on a nightly basis.

Caps need to get rid of their deadwood. "Feel good" players. Laich is certainly one of those.

Or else get used to 11th place finishes in the east.

Being a VIP and all I was all busy and stuff but good to hear from you too Rids! ha

Again Laich is an interesting case. We may not even be able to buy him out based on what I read so who knows there. What I have seen is flashes of his old self. Its not an immediate concern as we have plenty of wiggle room in cap space.

While I like MJ and Brouwer I feel they are going to be gone simply b/c we have to make room for guys like Wilson and perhaps Burakovsky. That will free up even more cap space and provide assets (and I am feeling we'll trade our 1st rnd pick along with them on draft day) to trade for a dman/center or both.

I think the damage to Holtby is going to be irrepairable. GMGM calling him out earlier this year (essentially) and Holtby's aggressive response gave me the sense that it was over for him here. So thats another trading chip.

I sense a big trade in the offseason. MJ/Brouwer/Holtby/1st rnd pick/young dman like Carrick/Schmidt will all likely be gone. That would be another 7 million open so we'd be $20 mil under the cap.

Don't be suprised if we see the likes of Kesler or Erhoff types being Caps next year. The assets I mentioned above would be very appealing to teams like Vancouver or Buffalo.

I forsee:

Burakovsky or Fehr/19/8
Kuznetsov/Kesler/Wilson
Chimera/Grabovski or Fehr/Ward
Brown/Latta/Beagle

Erhoff/Carlson
Alzner/Green
Orlov/Hillen (or handedness fascination acquisition)

Halak
Grubauer

$20 mil to fit in Kesler, Grabovski, Halak and Erhoff (who knows if Laich will be healthy or LTIR)

Book it. We are going to make a big splash roster wise.
 
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I 100% agree with everything you say here. 100%

But what, if anything, does this tell you about McPhee's future with the Caps?

In another post I mentioned that, to me, it indicates 100% McPhee (and thereby Oates) will be back next year.



Being a VIP and all I was all busy and stuff but good to hear from you too Rids! ha

Again Laich is an interesting case. We may not even be able to buy him out based on what I read so who knows there. What I have seen is flashes of his old self. Its not an immediate concern as we have plenty of wiggle room in cap space.

While I like MJ and Brouwer I feel they are going to be gone simply b/c we have to make room for guys like Wilson and perhaps Burakovsky. That will free up even more cap space and provide assets (and I am feeling we'll trade our 1st rnd pick along with them on draft day) to trade for a dman/center or both.

I think the damage to Holtby is going to be irrepairable. GMGM calling him out earlier this year (essentially) and Holtby's aggressive response gave me the sense that it was over for him here. So thats another trading chip.

I sense a big trade in the offseason. MJ/Brouwer/Holtby/1st rnd pick/young dman like Carrick/Schmidt will all likely be gone. That would be another 7 million open so we'd be $20 mil under the cap.

Don't be suprised if we see the likes of Kesler or Erhoff types being Caps next year. The assets I mentioned above would be very appealing to teams like Vancouver or Buffalo.

I forsee:

Burakovsky or Fehr/19/8
Kuznetsov/Kesler/Wilson
Chimera/Grabovski or Fehr/Ward
Brown/Latta/Beagle

Erhoff/Carlson
Alzner/Green
Orlov/Hillen (or handedness fascination acquisition)

Halak
Grubauer

$20 mil to fit in Kesler, Grabovski, Halak and Erhoff (who knows if Laich will be healthy or LTIR)

Book it. We are going to make a big splash roster wise.

God help us all if it's George and Adam still at the helm. We are on the downward arch portion of the parabola, and those 2 guys in charge will not change that dynamic.

I don't trust George to do anything, anymore. His TDL was fine in a vacuum, but nothing is ever done in a vacuum. His team defense is terrible. Close to worst in the league. That wasn't addressed, at all. Sure he got the goalie, but that doesn't address team D. Is that due to his players, the coaching, or both? Probably the latter, as being both. However, it's all his team. So there it is. He won't change his team(thought process) so why allow him to make any more decisions?

There are a lot of ways to look at this. Perhaps George had an eye on the future, and that is shown by the TDL. Or perhaps it was Ted and Dick Patrick that has that eye on the future, and George was doing what he could under their framework. To assume it's all George's doing may be a fallacy...and you are in that vacuum again.

The Caps are odds on to miss the playoffs, as they have the hardest schedule remaining, and are currently on the outside looking in. If this team misses the playoffs, there will be some repercussions. How far will those go? George doesn't seem to have a contract. So even Ted may be hard pressed to put lipstick on this pig of a season if they are playing golf after 82.
 

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God help us all if it's George and Adam still at the helm. We are on the downward arch portion of the parabola, and those 2 guys in charge will not change that dynamic.

I don't trust George to do anything, anymore. His TDL was fine in a vacuum, but nothing is ever done in a vacuum. His team defense is terrible. Close to worst in the league. That wasn't addressed, at all. Sure he got the goalie, but that doesn't address team D. Is that due to his players, the coaching, or both? Probably the latter, as being both. However, it's all his team. So there it is. He won't change his team(thought process) so why allow him to make any more decisions?

There are a lot of ways to look at this. Perhaps George had an eye on the future, and that is shown by the TDL. Or perhaps it was Ted and Dick Patrick that has that eye on the future, and George was doing what he could under their framework. To assume it's all George's doing may be a fallacy...and you are in that vacuum again.

The Caps are odds on to miss the playoffs, as they have the hardest schedule remaining, and are currently on the outside looking in. If this team misses the playoffs, there will be some repercussions. How far will those go? George doesn't seem to have a contract. So even Ted may be hard pressed to put lipstick on this pig of a season if they are playing golf after 82.

In all likelyhood the strongest odds are what I laid out...GMGM and Co. will be back but will make a huge offseason splash to reinvigorate a stagnant fanbase who is getting sick and tired of the status quo.

I have a hard time believing Ted and Patrick put the clamps on GMGM at the TDL.

The moves he made seemed to be basically a low risk gamble at salvaging the season but more importantly to set up things in the offseason.

I believe the Caps are already planning for that and realized they just don't have it this year.

Ted has shown nothing but loyalty to GMGM. The stands are filled. The team has young talent and plenty of cap space. George WILL be given yet another chance. Deep down inside I think we all know this to be fact...

That said I do expect we will make things happen this offseason.
 

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Why is Hillen on the team and Oleksy isn't? When Hillen fell down last night it's like I didn't need to check who it was.
 

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Why is Hillen on the team and Oleksy isn't? When Hillen fell down last night it's like I didn't need to check who it was.

First off Steve O is a RD and Hillen a LD.

Now Oleksy has apparently been struggling in Hershey.

Also..Hillen has looked pretty darn good out there. One fall doesn't change that. He has brought some measure of stability into the top 4 via his veteran presnece.

In hindsight we really missed him this year. He's actually a very crafty veteran.
 

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In all likelyhood the strongest odds are what I laid out...GMGM and Co. will be back but will make a huge offseason splash to reinvigorate a stagnant fanbase who is getting sick and tired of the status quo.

I have a hard time believing Ted and Patrick put the clamps on GMGM at the TDL.

The moves he made seemed to be basically a low risk gamble at salvaging the season but more importantly to set up things in the offseason.

I believe the Caps are already planning for that and realized they just don't have it this year.

Ted has shown nothing but loyalty to GMGM. The stands are filled. The team has young talent and plenty of cap space. George WILL be given yet another chance. Deep down inside I think we all know this to be fact...

That said I do expect we will make things happen this offseason.

All do respect, Bob....your predictions this year, for this team, have left a lot to be desired.

Will see, but after 17 years, the bloom is off the rose. I believe Ted and Dick see that.
 

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If the Leafs suffer a huge meltdown. I think they're the only team the Caps have the tiebreaker against (if Caps catch up 4 points with 2 ROW, they win 2nd tiebreaker).
 
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