Acciari hit by Dillon - 5min major (suspended 3 games)

DOPS on knee on knee hit from Pionk on Sandin. We don't think it was intentional but it was reckless. 2 game suspension.

DOPS on knee on knee hit from Strome on Connor. It was reckless but we don't think it was intentional. No suspension.
 
DoPS puts out a short video clearly explaining the suspension, some of this debate would clear up if people watched it.

They saw it as an avoidable illegal check to the head. Acairi was bent over for a while and he didn’t make any sudden change in direction/ positioning right before the hit. Dillon hit him squarely in the head, not shoulder/core.

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People complain about lack of suspensions but suddenly a suspension for a textbook illegal hit to the head is bad. Ok.

Many people have no interest in listening to reasoning and logic. Feelings are facts for too many people.



Was he trying to make a clean hit here and just kinda sorta missed?

Or was this a clean hit?

Seems to me he’s now shown twice what he likes to target sometimes.

Both hits he had plenty of time to adjust and hit body first.

Both hits you can see he has time to see where the guy is. No last second moves
 
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This logic is how we ended up with the current "delay of game" rule, and is a significant step toward eliminating all hitting in the game - because every hit, accidental or not, carries the chance that it will involve a hit to the head, and so the only way to prevent every hit to the head is to prevent every action that might result in one.

The problem is not head shots. The problem is intentional head shots, and they need to be punished much more severely than they currently are.
I’m fine with the delay of game rule. It’s one of the few black and white penalties in the game. There are many hits a game without a headshot. It won’t lead to no hitting by penalizing every headshot.
 
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Very true... the 5'8 players in the NHL have way too many advantages already!

While true, this is comparing apples to oranges. If the 5'8 player has head up and aware of surroundings and still takes a headshot there of course should be a suspension.

If they are staring at their skates in a lapse of judgement or false sense of invincibility then it does not really align with the NHL/professional hockey standard. Harder to fault the hitter in that scenario.
 
I’m fine with the delay of game rule. It’s one of the few black and white penalties in the game.
I realized another thing that used to be black-and-white: High-sticking that drew blood.

In the 90s, the league decided we don't want to try and discern intent - any high-stick that draws blood is an automatic 5+GM. And the league called that for a handful of years, and even on clearly accidental high-sticks, the decree was doesn't matter, the player always has to be control of his stick and so if there was blood, it was 5+GM without any discretion. Cutting someone's eyebrow or cheek or lip open and the blood flows freely, or a single drop of blood - doesn't matter, blood is blood, it's 5+GM, period.

And at some point, everyone realized that was dumb because no longer was the act being punished per se, it was punishing the outcome which was highly variable and out of the control of the player committing the act. That's how we landed with the current rule, which still adds 2 minutes for drawing blood but isn't so overly punitive to the player committing the foul.

There are many hits a game without a headshot. It won’t lead to no hitting by penalizing every headshot.
Yeah, it will - because any hit could become a potential headshot for reasons outside the control of the player laying the hit, so why would a player put themselves at risk trying to be physical knowing if it turns into a headshot because of something the opposing player does, it's his fault anyway?
 
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If this sets a precedent great. Just be consistent for the next time. But Parros won't.
This is it right here. I think people saying "it's not worth 3 games" is more to do with a lack of consistency. I'm a Jets fan and I don't have issue 3 games in the sense that that should be a starting point. The issue comes from seeing similar plays getting less games or just a fine - they should get more, rather than Dillon getting less, imo.
 
I usually think the DOPs is too easy on head shots. But I feel the opposite in this case.

Dillion tried to seal Acciari off along the wall. Acciari, while leading with his head, tried to jump out of the way at the last second.

If Acciari doesn't try to change direction at the last second, he skates face first into Dillion and through the body and it's not even a penalty. But because he tried jumping out of the way he ends up only making head contact.

Kind of reminds me of the Eichel suspension. Eichel skates in a straight line for a loose puck and braces for impact because he thinks Soderburg is about to crush him from behind. Soderburg doesn't see Eichel at all and skates face first right into Eichels back.

Eichel got suspended 2 games.
 
this was just a head shot with the shoulder that Dillon knew he had that angle. I really don't think it was egregious as much as just bad angles. His history of suspect hits is a consideration. Acciari has a concussion and may miss a couple games or longer. That is my issue. Player A gets 3 games but player B who suffers the shot can be out 5 to 10 games. I have said for years the punishment must meet the crime if there is clear intent to injure.
 
this was just a head shot with the shoulder that Dillon knew he had that angle. I really don't think it was egregious as much as just bad angles. His history of suspect hits is a consideration. Acciari has a concussion and may miss a couple games or longer. That is my issue. Player A gets 3 games but player B who suffers the shot can be out 5 to 10 games. I have said for years the punishment must meet the crime if there is clear intent to injure.
A) How do you prove intent?
B) What prevents you from holding a player out longer to force the other to sit?
 
A) How do you prove intent?
B) What prevents you from holding a player out longer to force the other to sit?
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The DOPS decision baffles me. Dillon got to the spot of the collision first, braced for impact (with elbow tucked), but was basically stationary. Aciari was speeding up the ice and yes, basically skated into his shoulder. I don't know what anyone could have reasonably expected Dillon to do differently.

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edit: for the record, in general I think the DOPS is way to lax when it comes to discipline, but they swung and missed on this one.
 
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The DOPS decision baffles me. Dillon got to the spot of the collision first, braced for impact (with elbow tucked), but was basically stationary. Aciari was speeding up the ice and yes, basically skated into his shoulder. I don't know what anyone could have reasonably expected Dillon to do differently.

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edit: for the record, in general I think the DOPS is way to lax when it comes to discipline, but they swung and missed on this one.
This.

I guess, the DOPS didn't have access to these pictures.
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The DOPS decision baffles me. Dillon got to the spot of the collision first, braced for impact (with elbow tucked), but was basically stationary. Aciari was speeding up the ice and yes, basically skated into his shoulder. I don't know what anyone could have reasonably expected Dillon to do differently.

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edit: for the record, in general I think the DOPS is way to lax when it comes to discipline, but they swung and missed on this one.

Looks like a pretty clear example of a headshot. Thanks for the photos.
 
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The DOPS decision baffles me. Dillon got to the spot of the collision first, braced for impact (with elbow tucked), but was basically stationary. Aciari was speeding up the ice and yes, basically skated into his shoulder. I don't know what anyone could have reasonably expected Dillon to do differently.

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edit: for the record, in general I think the DOPS is way to lax when it comes to discipline, but they swung and missed on this one.
I’m a Pens fan. And I posted previously about the hit and said I understood the ejection because I think and pure head contact should be reviewed and looked at. I also thought that Acciari put himself in a horrible position. Now the primary blame is always on the hitter not the hit but NA did put himself in an extremely vulnerable position. With that I think 3 is to many, he is a repeat offender, but I feel 3 is the max max slam the hammer punishment. Should have in reality be 1-2 even if that contradicts my initial assessment. Is what it is, but I think this whole situation is more unintentional with a horrible outcome.
 
I’m a Pens fan. And I posted previously about the hit and said I understood the ejection because I think and pure head contact should be reviewed and looked at. I also thought that Acciari put himself in a horrible position. Now the primary blame is always on the hitter not the hit but NA did put himself in an extremely vulnerable position. With that I think 3 is to many, he is a repeat offender, but I feel 3 is the max max slam the hammer punishment. Should have in reality be 1-2 even if that contradicts my initial assessment. Is what it is, but I think this whole situation is more unintentional with a horrible outcome.
How is it Dillon's fault when it looks like he's simply trying to play defense and Accari runs into him?? Dillon is 6'4 and Accari is 5'10, is Dillon suppose to make sure to crouch down everytime he might make contact with someone shorter than him? When you have shorter guys playing in the NHL with taller guys its going to be inevitable that when they collide that heads are going to hit shoulders. Taller guys shouldn't be penalized for simply being tall, but it seems like the idiots in the DOPS don't really care.

How often do you see short guys hitting taller guys in the head? Very rarely unless they're bending/crouching down to expose their head to the shorter player. The point is not every hit to the head is intentional and can often be explained by physics and height differences and that there should be context rather than simply crying 'Hit to the head! Suspend him!'. Unfortunately DOPS doesn't seem to have any common sense to include context when giving out suspensions.
 
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