Player Discussion Aatu Raty

[mriswith]

If he kept on his trajectory from last year we wouldn't have gotten him for a rental.

Maybe some here would have liked him better if he stalled out as a 3C/4C for several years first and then we got him.

 

[F A N]

I like him. A rich man's Lammikko where Raty is much younger and has a ton more room to grow?

 

[m9]

Where does he rank in our prospect pool? Gotta be at/near the top.

Definitely in the mix for #1

 

[Gstank]

3rd line Floor 2nd line C ceiling. With our top 10 pick this year and a mid first we could very easily draft an another C and that would give us a very young, middle of the lineup for the next Decade.

 

[Huhu]

Our prospect pool is so terrible, Raty instantly becomes one of the best ones we have.

 

[wonton15]

He’s a Klimovich level prospect with a little more structure. Should not be playing in Vancouver this year for sure.

 

[pitseleh]

He’s a Klimovich level prospect with a little more structure. Should not be playing in Vancouver this year for sure.

Yeah, two months older and scoring at basically the same rate. I’m sure he’s got a more well rounded game but with that context doesn’t seem like much to get excited about.

 

[decma]

He's a young player for his draft. Was a true 19 year old in the Liiga, and just turned 20 a few months ago.

He's probably half a year behind other 20 year olds in terms of development, and in addition, his AHL team is not the greatest, so I think his production is about on par with a "good" prospect. He's a safe bet to be a top 9 player as he has size, skating and a defensive mindset.

But I suspect the Canucks braintrust see him as a blue chip prospect, otherwise the trade is a bit meh.

With a November birthday, I think he was old for his draft, not young.

 

[The Stig]

Send him to Abby!

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

He's the top prospect in the org now on paper, especially for importance of position.

Realistically he tops out as a decent 3rd line center. He's pretty good at face-offs which helps with Bo gone.

 

[oceanchild]

Scott Wheeler projects him with the usefully vague "top 9 NHL forward". Here's a blurb from his evaluation (written just a few weeks ago):

He may not become a star, but he’s got pro tools (including size, quick hands, and a decently hard though at times overrated shot). Slowly but surely he has learned to hang onto the puck when necessary and play quick when required. He’s not smart enough to drive a line by himself or make plays when he’s less involved, so linemates will play a factor in his success, but on the whole, and with the right development, I believe he’ll provide value as a No. 52 pick.​

That doesn’t read well

 

[MikeK]

Surprised we got him for a pending UFA Horvat along with a 1st. I really like this kid and think he's going to be an NHLer for a long time. I truly believe that if he keeps on the path he's on there is no way he's included in a rental package a year from now. This could end up being a real good get by the team.

 

[tradervik]

That doesn’t read well

No it doesn't, but the line "He’s not smart enough to drive a line by himself or make plays when he’s less involved" reminded me of no other than Bo Horvat.

 

[RandV]

Even if he's a B level prospect that projects more like #3C than a top six guy, the Canucks could certainly use a good young #3C moving forward. Not like we have much C prospect depth regardless.

 

[MS]

Even if he's a B level prospect that projects more like #3C than a top six guy, the Canucks could certainly use a good young #3C moving forward. Not like we have much C prospect depth regardless.

To be clear, I’m not saying I don’t like Raty it that he isn’t useful. He’s instantly the best C prospect in the system by a mile.

I just don’t view him as a 2C and think he projects more as a bottom-6 type. And as the premium young asset coming back for a player of Horvat’s caliber, that’s pretty underwhelming.

If we got Raty back for Schenn, that would be getting a major thumbs up from me.

 

[Raistlin]

Raty in a vacuum is not enough of a return for Horvat. If he tops out as a good 3C, that is one that this organisation has tried to acquire for a long time. and one on a ELC. I just hope the fans wont clutter his value as the prime return for Horvat, the prize is the pick. I am looking forward to watching if Raty will be the long term solution to our checking line center with adequate offense, the tools are there, just need to improve his plodding skating right now.

 

[Hit the post]

Send him to Abby!

Don't let the Canucks medical staff look at him. Better subcontract that out (actually do that for all the Canuck players).

 

[Luck 6]

Raty in a vacuum is not enough of a return for Horvat. If he tops out as a good 3C, that is one that this organisation has tried to acquire for a long time. and one on a ELC. I just hope the fans wont clutter his value as the prime return for Horvat, the prize is the pick. I am looking forward to watching if Raty will be the long term solution to our checking line center with adequate offense, the tools are there, just need to improve his plodding skating right now.

If we get a high end 3C, a top 4 defenseman (the pick), and maybe a another decent player (either Beau or whoever we get for him when we trade him) then I’d say we did okay.

To be clear, I’m not saying I don’t like Raty it that he isn’t useful. He’s instantly the best C prospect in the system by a mile.

I just don’t view him as a 2C and think he projects more as a bottom-6 type. And as the premium young asset coming back for a player of Horvat’s caliber, that’s pretty underwhelming.

If we got Raty back for Schenn, that would be getting a major thumbs up from me.

He’s still NYIs top prospect. To get that along with a 2023 1st and a young replacement level player and I’d say we did okay. I don’t think it was realistic to expect much more.

 

[m9]

Differentiating between a 2C or 3C is something that sounds important on paper but there are so many ranges within those spots that it doesn't really matter. A high-end 3C would immediately be the 3rd most important forward on this roster and if Raty can be a long-term answer there then this deal will be a home run as those guys are hard to find without overpaying.

But he's no sure thing. I see the floor for Raty as a guy who just flamed out here in Jason Dickinson. Bottom-six "center" with decent size who you would probably rather see on the wing.

I think his ceiling is a bit underrated here though.

 

[arttk]

To be clear, I’m not saying I don’t like Raty it that he isn’t useful. He’s instantly the best C prospect in the system by a mile.

I just don’t view him as a 2C and think he projects more as a bottom-6 type. And as the premium young asset coming back for a player of Horvat’s caliber, that’s pretty underwhelming.

If we got Raty back for Schenn, that would be getting a major thumbs up from me.

Sounds like they really believe Raty has another level and the investment they made in the dev system or maybe just the twins will be able to help him take that step.

I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

 

[alternate]

Happy to get a C with upside back in the deal. Don't expect Raty to end up a top line guy, but that's fine. The roster needs 2 way centers in the middle of the lineup, and Raty hopefully will be able to contribute in that role while still on his ELC.

Be a good test of the current regime's scouting. Benning would have talked about their pre-draft evaluations. Hopefully JR and Allvin will lean more heavily on what he's done post-draft.

Like him in Abby playing with Hoglander, Podz, or Klimovich for the next while anyway.

 

[Raistlin]

they pivoted away from acquiring a young D in favor of him, so they must value him higher than most. Now the islanders pick will most likely have to be a organisational need pick. Lets hope they pick Sergachev instead of Juolevi this time around. Hey we can hope for a McAvoy too right?

I dont want to think about his ceiling because I've been spurned too much with their non slam dunk prospects. I think he is an NHL player already with Lammikko type talent.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

At least we won’t have to hear any more complaints that we should have taken him instead of Klimovich.

 

[M2Beezy]

Interesting...

 

[MS]

Differentiating between a 2C or 3C is something that sounds important on paper but there are so many ranges within those spots that it doesn't really matter. A high-end 3C would immediately be the 3rd most important forward on this roster and if Raty can be a long-term answer there then this deal will be a home run as those guys are hard to find without overpaying.

But he's no sure thing. I see the floor for Raty as a guy who just flamed out here in Jason Dickinson. Bottom-six "center" with decent size who you would probably rather see on the wing.

I think his ceiling is a bit underrated here though.

The floor for Raty is ‘not an NHL player’. Probably half of the guys in his rough prospect level don’t pan into NHL players.