What kind of comparison is thatThe next Derek Roy
What kind of comparison is thatThe next Derek Roy
Outside the box oneWhat kind of comparison is that
I think Raty recognized the thing he really needed to work on in the summer was his skating. That gives me hope when the player fully recognizes what is holding him back because some players just don't get that understanding. That should translate to a program of skating over the off season and we should immediately see strides (pun intended) once camp opens. If we do then there is a good chance he has a NHL future. If we don't see those improvements then he'll likely just be an AHL forward getting 0.9 pt/game because either he's not working on it or his deficiencies aren't ones that can be coached out.
“We’ve had our skating coach in quite a bit to work with him,” Johnson says of Räty’s pace, “but that’s not something you can improve immensely in season with all of the travel. That’s an offseason objective, getting his core stronger and more explosive and working on those first three strides.
“I’m excited to get to work with him once the season has finished up.”
I think Raty recognized the thing he really needed to work on in the summer was his skating. That gives me hope when the player fully recognizes what is holding him back because some players just don't get that understanding. That should translate to a program of skating over the off season and we should immediately see strides (pun intended) once camp opens. If we do then there is a good chance he has a NHL future. If we don't see those improvements then he'll likely just be an AHL forward getting 0.9 pt/game because either he's not working on it or his deficiencies aren't ones that can be coached out.
There is like a zero percent chance that this kid hasn’t known that he desperately needs to improve his skating for like at least 5+ years.
IIRC, last offseason was supposed to be a big push for improving his skating as well. Here’s a quote from an April, 2023 article:
If he had truly only realized this going into this summer it’d be such a damning indictment of both himself and like everyone that he’s ever interacted with.
Raty's summer training has been explored in the Blais thread. According to @PuckMunchkin, Raty still can't skate and hi " summer training seems to lack direction. He does a little bit of this and a little bit of that... Räty does not have the education to work on things properly."
I really don't understand why you're so hung up on that, and think it's some kind of weird gotcha.
It'd be understandable if you were contesting the factuality of OP's account of things, but as far as their statement about his lack of credentials or whatever is concerned, unless he's been pursuing his education while also playing pro hockey of course he's unlikely to have the background necessary to be able to effectively self-direct his own elite-level off-season program. The age of like Bobby Hull going and tossing hay around all summer or whatever is long gone.
But yeah, if OP's account of Raty's off-season is correct, then things aren't looking promising.
It's relevant for discussions. You and others are expressing hope which a poster here has insider information crushing that hope. It's not a gotcha when I tagged that poster so he could better respond to you and others. It's no different than if I responded by quoting an article and linking to it.
I would say the "some kind of weird gotcha" is more appropriate to describe your responses to @VanJack
puckmunchkin is a pro skating coach now?Raty's summer training has been explored in the Blais thread. According to @PuckMunchkin, Raty still can't skate and hi " summer training seems to lack direction. He does a little bit of this and a little bit of that... Räty does not have the education to work on things properly."
Perhaps this just makes it more likely he'll turn a cornerAccording to @PuckMunchkin, training seems to lack direction.
Maybe don't do that?I just had a really dumb fifty-six page argument
Glad you agree that you were more appropriately describing yourself..
Yes, I can certainly see how me consistantly pointing out absurdity in the comments made by a poster who I think consistently makes absurd comments would be considered gotcha-ism. I'm also willing to be honest about my behaviour instead of just pretending that it's all just some coincidence that I keep doing it. What of it?
No I'm not misconstruing your comments at all. In fact, I think we share similar opinions here. But don't you think insider knowledge about how Raty's skating is progressing this summer is relevant to our discussions here? We're both thinking he can make improvements. But if he really is training aimlessly and he "still can't skate" don't you think that's relevant information to consider?Moreover, you're kind of misconstruing my comments on Raty. While I do certainly hope that Raty figures it out and has a solid NHL career, I don't personally hold overly much hope of that happening. IMO, most really bad skaters - if they're still bad skaters at like 22 or whatever - are usually just bad skaters - especially if the stride is a mess. I feel as though that should have been pretty clear from my posts in this thread, but now I've laid it out there for those that lack the education to work it out properly.
No but he claims to have insider knowledge of how Raty's skating and training is progressing this summer and I believe him. Puckmunchkin seems to know a lot about pro athlete training programs so I think his statements/opinion/what he heard in this regard should be considered. I have no interest in questioning his expertise but you are obviously free to.puckmunchkin is a pro skating coach now?
It would be shocking if he is actually training aimlessly. It seems like this management team is quite in touch with everyone during the off season and one would assume that he’s been given guidance on what to work on and how.Maybe don't do that?
Glad you agree that you were more appropriately describing yourself.
I don't think it's a "gotcha" when I had prior honest discussion/debate with the poster on the same/similar discussion and respectfully gave opportunities to clarify his statements after which I still couldn't fully understand. I also do not think it's a "gotcha" when I simply referred to another poster's opinion when said poster appears to have insider knowledge as well as expertise (who previously commented directly on what is being discussed here).
It's also not a "gothca" simply because I refer to an opinion that I don't necessarily agree with. I believe I can disagree with another poster's opinion and even think it's ridiculous while acknowledging/believing that said poster has the said background/educational expertise to offer an opinion that presumably derives from such background and expertise. I don't think that is the case with you and Vanjack.
I do like to (attempt) to make jokes and I often make half-serious sarcastic comments and poke fun at things without taking away from the point I am making. In this case, I don't think it takes away from the points I made.
No I'm not misconstruing your comments at all. In fact, I think we share similar opinions here. But don't you think insider knowledge about how Raty's skating is progressing this summer is relevant to our discussions here? We're both thinking he can make improvements. But if he really is training aimlessly and he "still can't skate" don't you think that's relevant information to consider?
No but he claims to have insider knowledge of how Raty's skating and training is progressing this summer and I believe him. Puckmunchkin seems to know a lot about pro athlete training programs so I think his statements/opinion/what he heard in this regard should be considered. I have no interest in questioning his expertise but you are obviously free to.
It would be shocking if he is actually training aimlessly. It seems like this management team is quite in touch with everyone during the off season and one would assume that he’s been given guidance on what to work on and how.
Maybe his skating is so god awful that they are asking him to do stuff to build strength elsewhere that makes it feel not intuitive. I do remember Bo mentioning that in an interview about how he had to do something different.
yeah I guess we’ll see soon enough. From all the scouting reports, his skating is so bad that it seems like it would be amazing if he can just be average.That's pretty much what I expressed to PM. But PM said I I was wrong. Hence I referred to his exact words: "Autu still can't skate... His summer training seems to lack direction. He does a little bit of this and a little bit of that... Räty does not have the education to work on things properly." When asked where he got the information he stated "I work with some of the NHLers from around here."
@RobertKron thinks I'm out to make "gotcha" posts but clearly you too agree that it's worthy of discussion in context.
I was actually there at UBC when Bo Horvat made one of his early training camp appearance in a Canuck uniform. I remember saying to myself....Wow!.....this kid needs to seriously improve in the skating department. So it does happen.....sometimes.Yikes
It always amazes me how hard it is to improve on skating.
Sorry that's a terrible comparable. Raty is very skilled with a high hockey IQ once compared to Barkov.He’s a weird player. Kind of the exact opposite of Podkolzin/Hoglander in the AHL in that those guys would be noticeable game-to-game with some loud individual skills that never really translated to production whereas Raty is a very high-IQ positionally intelligent player who will have a stretch of games where he felt ‘quiet’ and then you look at the stats and he’s picked up a point or two every night.
He’s just a boring, bland, reliable player. Wish he used his size more – he competes but there’s no mean streak there at all. Generally does the right things defensively although footspeed is an issue in all aspects of his game.
He's an incredibly similar player to Brendan Gaunce. Big, slow, reliable bottom-6 body. Started out as a C but skating looks like he'll probably be a wing in pro. Maybe a little more skilled than Gaunce and a bit more PP2 upside but also a bit worse skater.
Plus nothing wrong with a little gotcha moment from time to timeThat's pretty much what I expressed to PM. But PM said I I was wrong. Hence I referred to his exact words: "Autu still can't skate... His summer training seems to lack direction. He does a little bit of this and a little bit of that... Räty does not have the education to work on things properly." When asked where he got the information he stated "I work with some of the NHLers from around here."
@RobertKron thinks I'm out to make "gotcha" posts but clearly you too agree that it's worthy of discussion in context.
Sorry that's a terrible comparable. Raty is very skilled with a high hockey IQ once compared to Barkov.
Obviously Barkov he is not but the point is he's always been known for his high-end skill and his game is built for the smaller ice.
He's not a great skater but it's passable and has improved.
What seems to keep him from more hype is he seems to take awhile to adjust from league to league but he clearly figured out the AHL and clearly played like a top end forward once he did.
So maybe it takes a little longer but he's going to end up a solid 2nd line forward with the typical strong defensive game that is a calling card of Finn's.
Not sure how anyone who watched the 2nd half of the year didn't come away excited about him.
And if that is so then it's failure of the development staff who should have provided him with a specific program and been working with him.Raty's summer training has been explored in the Blais thread. According to @PuckMunchkin, Raty still can't skate and hi " summer training seems to lack direction. He does a little bit of this and a little bit of that... Räty does not have the education to work on things properly."
And if that is so then it's failure of the development staff who should have provided him with a specific program and been working with him.
I'm not saying to hand hold but yes they should be working with the prospects in the off season and visiting to make sure plans are being followed. And yes they can provide plans of specific things to work on and how to work on them. There aren't that many players. If my son's trainer can provide his 20 some odd clients with detailed plans I'm really sure a professional sports team can come up with something for a dozen prospects. And if they don't well then the professional sports world needs to wake up. But yes ultimately it's up to the player to follow such things but no way should they be simply off on their own.the development staff is like 3 people. they don't write detailed plans with kpis and goals for every single player and prospect
nhlers are largely left to their own devices when it comes to their training. teams just don't have the time or the staff to hand hold every single player through their professional development and even if they did the players already have detailed training regimes from prior to their turning pro most want to stick with
I'm not saying to hand hold but yes they should be working with the prospects in the off season and visiting to make sure plans are being followed. And yes they can provide plans of specific things to work on and how to work on them. There aren't that many players. If my son's trainer can provide his 20 some odd clients with detailed plans I'm really sure a professional sports team can come up with something for a dozen prospects. And if they don't well then the professional sports world needs to wake up. But yes ultimately it's up to the player to follow such things but no way should they be simply off on their own.
A 16 year old kid in SW Missouri at a small school should not be getting better training and guidance than a NHL prospect.
the development staff is like 3 people. they don't write detailed plans with kpis and goals for every single player and prospect
nhlers are largely left to their own devices when it comes to their training. teams just don't have the time or the staff to hand hold every single player through their professional development and even if they did the players already have detailed training regimes from prior to their turning pro most want to stick with