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Becky Lynch?What the ***** is this poll?
Also, The Man is better.
Becky Lynch?What the ***** is this poll?
Also, The Man is better.
What Shohei Ohtani does is equivalent to a hockey player getting 100 pts while playing forward and a .920 save percentage as a backup goalie.
I've always wondered if Ohtani being able to do both at a high level (hit and pitch) is why he's so highly regarded rather than because he's actually the *best* at hitting or the *best* at pitching.
McDavid doesn't have a custom home rink designed to exaggerate his strengths.
Ohtani is the better comparison.
Ohtani is easily #1 in the MLB and probably all sports when you consider the pitching (not this year)Probably the two most dominant athletes in major North American sports doing silly things in their sport.
Who do you find more impressive and dominant in their sport
I think Ohtani is the most dominant when he’s pitching, and I’m a Yankees fan.Probably the two most dominant athletes in major North American sports doing silly things in their sport.
Who do you find more impressive and dominant in their sport
except its not the same thing at all that poster had a bad comparison.Which is incredible in terms of an all around talent, but for value I’d rather a 130 point forward and I find a different backup goalie.
except its not the same thing at all that poster had a bad comparison.
Ohtani is able to pitch the same game he hits in when he is pitching, so its not like you have to take that 130 pt forward out of the lineup.
Also, he's not a backup he is a full blown ace. You can't really compare them apples to apples. I always said it would be like having an MVP level QB who is also one of the best defensive players in the NFL.
Nah Mcdavid would die/be majorly hurt if he faced a 100 mph fast ball beamed for his head/upper bodyMcDavid is probably better at baseball than Judge is at hockey
Mcdavid isnt on the Lebron level dominance yetJudge has been better than Ohtani since Shohei made his debut. He has a better WAR in less games with Ohtani’s 15 pitching WAR boost. Ohtani is an incredible and unique talent but as arguably a bigger baseball fan than even hockey I’d say he’s got a ways to go to be close to McDavid in a relative sense. There is no player in baseball that is as good as McDavid relatively and I’d easily argue all of the big 4 sports. Especially statistically.
A 100 pt in 55 game forward + .920 goalie in 20-25 games >>> 130 forwardWhich is incredible in terms of an all around talent, but for value I’d rather a 130 point forward and I find a different backup goalie.
A 100 pt in 55 game forward + .920 goalie in 20-25 games >>> 130 forward
.920 goalie is top 2 or 3 in the league in a 25 game size. Likely has a .650-.700 pt % with that high a sv % in the modern NHL
As a goalie, this type of player out of possible 40- 50 pts would bring 30-35 pts for his team just as an elite backup who would be putting vezina caliber numbers for backups of the league.
Then 100 pts in 55ish games is a ppg right there with Mcdavids best ever ppg of 105 in 56 and 103 in 55 (153 pt year paced for 55 games)
If this type of player existed, Mcdavid would be forgotten very quickly in the NHL
I agree with the McDavid peak being better relatively. Basketball’s all time big 4 isn’t as good as hockey’s. McDavid displacing that would prove he is doing something that is harder than lebron did. Also I was only speaking of currently as LeBron’s last year of MVP level impact was 17-18 by the advanced metrics. Seen both and know the details for both and Jordan in his 11 full seasons with the bulls did what lebron couldn’t in his entire career. Better peak, prime, even sample size, etc. Definitely not the best career for lebron. At this point he’s compiling numbers because he can with great care of his body, a high usage rate in a league that has heavily inflated scoring and has been bastardized as a product. Lebron is 2-5 range in NBA history everyone agrees but at this stage all I can say about him is that his longevity is remarkable as his meaningful career has been over for some time.Mcdavid isnt on the Lebron level dominance yet
He probably has a better peak careerwise as Peak lebron both reg season and playoffs was never as far ahead of the league as Mcdavid was in 2021 and 2023 reg seasons or 2022 + 2024 playoffs *his teammate draisaitl not included for playoffs in 2022
However lebrons extended Prime + Career is the greatest in big 4 sports history, and the only reason he isnt the undisputed goat if NBA is because MJ has the best 6-7 year prime and top 2 or ever in NBA with so much being accompished in 11ish full seasons with the bulls
Mcdavid career wise likely ends up behind Lebron relatively for theie sport
Mcdavid finishes likely at best 2nd and as low as 5th while Lebron is at worst 2nd
I agree with the McDavid peak being better relatively. Basketball’s all time big 4 isn’t as good as hockey’s. McDavid displacing that would prove he is doing something that is harder than lebron did. Also I was only speaking of currently as LeBron’s last year of MVP level impact was 17-18 by the advanced metrics. Seen both and know the details for both and Jordan in his 11 full seasons with the bulls did what lebron couldn’t in his entire career. Better peak, prime, even sample size, etc. Definitely not the best career for lebron. At this point he’s compiling numbers because he can with great care of his body, a high usage rate in a league that has heavily inflated scoring and has been bastardized as a product. Lebron is 2-5 range in NBA history everyone agrees but at this stage all I can say about him is that his longevity is remarkable as his meaningful career has been over for some time.
I’m not. 2-5 is a range I have because some people watched basketball going back a long way. Longevity and the compiling doesn’t vault him over Jordan. That’s a weak argument which is why even though his career is over in any meaningful sense the majority pick Jordan over him. There would need to be a stronger one to have him be a majority #1 all time selection. That won’t happen however. People can try to make it but it’s weak.You’re severally underrating LeBron. He is 3rd in the GOAT list at the absolute worst (if you don’t like him). His career has been objectively better than any player in NBA history outside of MJ and KAJ. There is absolutely a case for him to be #1, as his longevity blows Jordan’s out of the water.
funny to think with the eye-hand coordination McDavid and NHLers have in general that it would be impossible for them to hit. I think more hockey players would adapt to MLB than MLB players would to the NHLAgree, you made an irrelevant statement.
Judge won’t end up all time as high as McDavid will.
This is McDavid for the win.
Ive seen lists like and sorry Im not a big Basketball fan but pretty sure alot of fans view something like thisYou’re severally underrating LeBron. He is 3rd in the GOAT list at the absolute worst (if you don’t like him). His career has been objectively better than any player in NBA history outside of MJ and KAJ. There is absolutely a case for him to be #1, as his longevity blows Jordan’s out of the water.
Those are mostly haters who cant accept lebron has a true claim to being the goatIve seen lists like and sorry Im not a big Basketball fan but pretty sure alot of fans view something like this
MJ
Kobe
Magic
Kareem
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Bird
then LeBron unless people put Curry above Im not sure on that one.
I dont think a backup NHL goalie would ever be in the race for a vezina, so it wasnt a good comparison.I figured the implication was 100 point pace, not in 55 games. Ohtani isn’t that player offensively relative to the league. Though I guess he’s also better than a 100 point pace player.
I think you’re wildly overrating the value of a .920 backup. Anthony freakin’ Stolarz was at .925 this year. No one’s out here suggesting he brought 30-35 points for the Panthers this year.
I dunno I think LeBron should be in Tier 4. he just always had to leave to chase his rings I think he personally only earned it himself like once in Cleveland. he from my perspective atleast looked to find the best players to help him win. also sits alot of games, he's been playing 6 seasons longer or something and still chasing MJ.Those are mostly haters who cant accept lebron has a true claim to being the goat
Kobe for example has zero claim to beibg top 5. He is the crosby of the NBA, not enough accolades to crack that level.
Most peoples top 13 is like:
Tier 1
1. MJ/LBJ
2. LBJ/MJ
Tier 2
3. KAJ
Tier 3
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
Tier 4: In any order
Kobe
Duncan
Shaq
Hakeem
Wilt
Russell
Curry
Kevin Durant
Ohtani comparisons? Did he play goalie as well?Considering the fact that McDavid drew Ohtani comparisons last year, and not Aaron Judge, so i’d say McDavid has to be the more dominant.