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Didn’t one of the analysts say that the Leafs Big Heads don’t like point shots and shots from distance because they correlate to lower percentage scoring opportunities? They probably see a big shot from the point as an inefficiency.
 
Stephen said:
Didn’t one of the analysts say that the Leafs Big Heads don’t like point shots and shots from distance because they correlate to lower percentage scoring opportunities? They probably see a big shot from the point as an inefficiency.
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:laugh: That can’t be true
 
ACC1224 said:
:laugh: That can’t be true
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I think it's Justin Bourne. He has an article from last year and I seem to remember it came up in the past couple of weeks on Real Kyper and Bourne.

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To get a sense for how the Leafs earned inclusion on that list, here’s a look at a their heat map (all images are from Micah Blake McCurdy’s Hockey Viz site). The red shows where they take more shots than league average, which results in an impressive picture. They don’t waste possessions shooting from the outside compared to the rest of the league, instead waiting to get it in to the more dangerous areas. (You also won’t be surprised to know that very little offence comes from their D shooting the puck.)
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You can see on the heat maps in icy blue they don't like the point shot at all. Personnel sucks for sure, but is it also by design?
 
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Stephen said:
Didn’t one of the analysts say that the Leafs Big Heads don’t like point shots and shots from distance because they correlate to lower percentage scoring opportunities? They probably see a big shot from the point as an inefficiency.
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If that's true that is just a ridiculous line of thinking.

A strong point shot isn't about the shot itself, it's about being an option to open up your other weapons. Versatility is key. Much like a wrestler learning MMA can compete with much more talented strikers due to his threat of wrestling keeping the striker worried about takedowns.

Point shots being low% scoring opportunities are more about them being easier to defend then other plays made on the PP. But you the caveat is you can't ignore it, otherwise it will burn you if not defended properly.
 
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IPS said:
If that's true that is just a ridiculous line of thinking.

A strong point shot isn't about the shot itself, it's about being an option to open up your other weapons. Versatility is key. Much like a wrestler learning MMA can compete with much more talented strikers due to his threat of wrestling keeping the striker worried about takedowns.

Point shots being low% scoring opportunities are more about them being easier to defend then other plays made on the PP.
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You're preaching to the conventional wisdom choir here. But if you look at the Bourne piece it looks like the Leafs really prefer to generate shots from the circles and down based on their heat map behavior.
 
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You're preaching to the conventional wisdom choir here. But if you look at the Bourne piece it looks like the Leafs really prefer to generate shots from the circles and down based on their heat map behavior.
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Seems like a case where conventional wisdom reigns supreme.

I get it that a guy like Ovechkin sniping PP goals off the wall his whole career seems like the obvious way to go, but it's always been supplemented by a very strong point shooter be it a guy like Mike Green or John Carlson.
 
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Seems like a case where conventional wisdom reigns supreme.

I get it that a guy like Ovechkin sniping PP goals off the wall his whole career seems like the obvious way to go, but it's always been supplemented by a very strong point shooter be it a guy like Mike Green or John Carlson.
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And even a guy like Oshie in the bumper position.
 
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Seems like a case where conventional wisdom reigns supreme.

I get it that a guy like Ovechkin sniping PP goals off the wall his whole career seems like the obvious way to go, but it's always been supplemented by a very strong point shooter be it a guy like Mike Green or John Carlson.
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Typically teams just want to triangulate their attack on the PP. You have a distributor like Backstrom who can dish off to an Ovechkin or on the point to Carlson and cause the PK to rotate and follow the puck, opening seams and cross ice passes.
 
The Iceman said:
Who would sit for this marginal PP QB?
Already have Reilly, Sandin, Lily, Gio and Timmons who can handle that spot on a team that prefers 5 Fs on their PP.

Why add this aspect.
I see a cycle stopping heavy D being added.
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You might be right sire. I might have overreacted tonight. I do believe we aint have a shooter though. Would be nice to have a d gun on the point... but we have other weapons. Not all teams have but passers. Although josi etc are alot better passers than rielly. Kaberle type of passer is sometimes enough. When other forwards scesore much.
 
IMO we have plenty of options for shooters on the backend for our PP already. Our special teams coaching/style just has a different philosophy. I tend to disagree, strongly I might add, but thems the facts.

Also, if we add Ghost as our big "playoff addition" I am going to be so cheesed. For real, it took a lot for me not to use foul language to describe the displeasure even the idea causes me.
 
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You don’t need a PP Dman when the the PP is mainly consisting of 5 forwards
 
Stephen said:
Didn’t one of the analysts say that the Leafs Big Heads don’t like point shots and shots from distance because they correlate to lower percentage scoring opportunities? They probably see a big shot from the point as an inefficiency.
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The analysts can say whatever they want but without the threat from the point opposing teams know to just have a stick on the ice in front of Matthews and block the east-west passes. The PP is still pretty good but why not open another option to give the PKers one more thing to worry about? I don't see the downside.
 
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IPS said:
If that's true that is just a ridiculous line of thinking.

A strong point shot isn't about the shot itself, it's about being an option to open up your other weapons. Versatility is key. Much like a wrestler learning MMA can compete with much more talented strikers due to his threat of wrestling keeping the striker worried about takedowns.

Point shots being low% scoring opportunities are more about them being easier to defend then other plays made on the PP. But you the caveat is you can't ignore it, otherwise it will burn you if not defended properly.
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Leafs have to be ready to play against tampa and sorry you will not beat vasilevskiy with point shot... you need to have a pretty good shooting lane with a perfect screen or perfect deflection ...or more of 99% of the time will result in a easy save and most of the time on alost of possession.
 
Who needs a time machine when you can just walk into this thread and see ideas that are decades outdated.

We don't need a big booming shot from the point. Teams have moved away from that because it's not particularly helpful at anything other than wasting time, giving up possession, and injuring your own top players.

On a unit with 4 top tier forwards - many with great shots and tipping abilities - it's especially a waste.
 
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Two things can be a true at the same time:

1. Toronto acquiring a Defenseman at the deadline.

2. Not necessarily a PP Specialist.

Dekes For Days said:
Who needs a time machine when you can just walk into this thread and see ideas that are decades outdated.

We don't need a big booming shot from the point. Teams have moved away from that because it's not particularly helpful at anything other than wasting time, giving up possession, and injuring your own top players.

On a unit with 4 top tier forwards - many with great shots and tipping abilities - it's especially a waste.
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For the exact same reasons Toronto should have moved on from Nick Robertson. Now it's...

Ianturnedbull said:
Two things can be a true at the same time:

1. Toronto acquiring a Defenseman at the deadline.

2. Not necessarily a PP Specialist.


For the exact same reasons Toronto should have moved on from Nick Robertson. Now it's...
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