Value of: A 2nd line center to Montreal.

[miscs75]

These boards have a tendency to overrate 1st round picks. But since this is a Habs thread it seems like we’re undervaluing them a lot? Like they’re throwaway or something. I mean just in the Habs we got Guhle, Caufield, Suzuki at those spots. Countless other example around the league.

I would say that’s the scouting department more than valuation itself. They found the right guy instead of drafting Michael Dal Colle/Dylan McIlrath/Nikita Filatov/etc in said spot.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Return was well received by Canucks fans at the time of the trade. Raty had a really solid post-draft season, looked like he had second line upside, and IIRC the Isles weren't firmly in playoff position at the time so there was some risk that the team would fall off the cliff for one reason or another. Beauvillier was obviously there to make the cap work.

They were 13th last in the league when the trade was made so definitely not in a playoff position. Beauvillier also played well when he first arrived in Vancouver.

Vancouver ended up flipping that pick in the Hronek deal but Detroit used it to draft Sandin-Pellikka, who looks quite promising.

 

[Buffdog]

I remember as a Jets fan asking for Dach and the Calgary 1st for PLD and being told that Dach was untouchable

Any Habs fans want to reconsider that trade now?

 

[Zetterberg40]

What would the Habs be willing to offer for Larkin? I think Hage + their 2 firsts this year would be an enticing offer. Larkin just doesn't fit the Wings' timeline anymore imo. He may be willing to waive his NTC. That would give the Habs 2 great duos in Suzuki-Demidov and Larkin-Caufield. Thoughts?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

What would the Habs be willing to offer for Larkin? I think Hage + their 2 firsts this year would be an enticing offer. Larkin just doesn't fit the Wings' timeline anymore imo. He may be willing to waive his NTC. That would give the Habs 2 great duos in Suzuki-Demidov and Larkin-Caufield. Thoughts?

I don't know. If he was a couple years younger i would do it for sure.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I remember as a Jets fan asking for Dach and the Calgary 1st for PLD and being told that Dach was untouchable

Any Habs fans want to reconsider that trade now?

No.

 

[andora]

What would the Habs be willing to offer for Larkin? I think Hage + their 2 firsts this year would be an enticing offer. Larkin just doesn't fit the Wings' timeline anymore imo. He may be willing to waive his NTC. That would give the Habs 2 great duos in Suzuki-Demidov and Larkin-Caufield. Thoughts?

Larkin is 34 already? Wow time flies

 

[Buffdog]

No.

Yeah, having a 60 point 6'4 2C isn't nearly as valuable as having someone who can't stich together more than 30 games a season

Thank goodness GMs are more concerned with building a good team than admiting they were wrong on internet message boards

 

[Zetterberg40]

Larkin is 34 already? Wow time flies

I mean, I don't see us being contenders anytime soon. Probably not before Edvinsson and the new kids start entering their prime in 4-5 years. And that's assuming everything goes right. Larkin may not want to keep losing for that long and he will have started his decline by then. 2+2

 

[Baksfamous112]

Yeah, having a 60 point 6'4 2C isn't nearly as valuable as having someone who can't stich together more than 30 games a season

Thank goodness GMs are more concerned with building a good team than admiting they were wrong on internet message boards

At the time I wouldn’t have done it. Nothing you say will change that. Stop being petty

 

[andora]

I mean, I don't see us being contenders anytime soon. Probably not before Edvinsson and the new kids start entering their prime in 4-5 years. And that's assuming everything goes right. Larkin may not want to keep losing for that long and he will have started his decline by then. 2+2

so as they become playoff worthy and then gradually grow into a contender who leads them
go down the list of winners and look at ages

 

[Buffdog]

At the time I wouldn’t have done it. Nothing you say will change that. Stop being petty

I'm not saying "at the time"... I'm saying that in hindsight, it would have been an excellent deal for the Habs

Which just happens to be what I said "at the time"... turns out I was right, you were wrong. Don't stress over it, it happens all the time

 

[Baksfamous112]

I'm not saying "at the time"... I'm saying that in hindsight, it would have been an excellent deal for the Habs

Which just happens to be what I said "at the time"... turns out I was right, you were wrong. Don't stress over it, it happens all the time

Gutsy of you coming out with this two years later after PLD had a good season. Where were you last year when PLD was a 8.5M / 40 points 3C? How long until he has another tantrum in Washington and his play dip and he ask for a trade for a 4th time? A year? Two?

It’s easy to say “in insight” you should’ve done this or that just like it’s easy to say in insight Winnipeg should have signed Monahan long term instead of being stuck with Namesnikov as your 2C which will hinder any chance you have at a deep playoff run again.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

What would the Habs be willing to offer for Larkin? I think Hage + their 2 firsts this year would be an enticing offer. Larkin just doesn't fit the Wings' timeline anymore imo. He may be willing to waive his NTC. That would give the Habs 2 great duos in Suzuki-Demidov and Larkin-Caufield. Thoughts?

if he was available, wild would offer Rossi easily

 

[jiboy]

What would the Habs be willing to offer for Larkin? I think Hage + their 2 firsts this year would be an enticing offer. Larkin just doesn't fit the Wings' timeline anymore imo. He may be willing to waive his NTC. That would give the Habs 2 great duos in Suzuki-Demidov and Larkin-Caufield. Thoughts?

Our 2 first and something like Engstrom or Mailloix would definately be on the table for a guy like Larkin

 

[Buffdog]

Gutsy of you coming out with this two years later after PLD had a good season. Where were you last year when PLD was a 8.5M / 40 points 3C? How long until he has another tantrum in Washington and his play dip and he ask for a trade for a 4th time? A year? Two?

It’s easy to say “in insight” you should’ve done this or that just like it’s easy to say in insight Winnipeg should have signed Monahan long term instead of being stuck with Namesnikov as your 2C which will hinder any chance you have at a deep playoff run again.

Jets tried to sign Monahan, didn't work out. Columbus gave more term and dollars.. and he wanted to go play with his buddy (RIP). That said, i think it worked out OK for the Jets this year... don't you think? Couldn't have been much better

Monahan wasn't an ideal for with Ehlers. Two very different types of players

 

[Garbageyuk]

Fowler has higher potential than Dobes or Montembeault but even he is not what I would consider a "blue chip goaltender prospect" at this point.

Fowler has some very good tools as a goalie and HAS played amazingly well for BC, and to start his AHL career. But I don't think Fowler has proven enough yet against pros to have the kind of value that a top goalie prospect can have.

If we see Fowler continue to thrive next year in the AHL throughout the season and in the playoffs, then Fowler will begin to make more of a case for himself to be held in the same kind of regard as guys like Askarov or Cossa, and Wolf before he firmly established himself in Calgary this season.

But right now Fowler is still largely unproven against pros, and needs the reps to "show his stuff" and establish himself before teams will be ready to give back good value in a trade for him.

It just is the reality of the position of goalie. The top guys and blue-chip prospects have incredibly-high value but aren't getting traded anytime soon, and the more "middling" prospects don't have much value overall.

Fowler is a good prospect and has value right now. But given that he is still unproven, he would only be a secondary, or even tertiary add to a package for a 2C.

And that would be no-bueno on the Canadiens' part considering Fowler is the best goalie prospect in the pipeline.

It is what it is.

Fowler isn’t getting added to any package. Seems like your stance on him compared to Cossa and Askarov is just due to draft position and nothing else. Fowler is a full 2 years younger than the other two, and things literally could not have gone better with him since being drafted. If you wanna say that he hasn’t proven anything in the pros yet, fine, but that’s pretty obvious with him being 3 games in. He’s absolutely a blue chip prospect at this point and if teams knew how the couple years since the draft would go the way they have, he’d have been a 1st rounder. Cossa and Askarov haven’t even been that great in the AHL, just okay, so to use them as the benchmark is crazy.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Jets tried to sign Monahan, didn't work out. Columbus gave more term and dollars.. and he wanted to go play with his buddy (RIP). That said, i think it worked out OK for the Jets this year... don't you think? Couldn't have been much better

Monahan wasn't an ideal for with Ehlers. Two very different types of players

Ah yes it worked so great that you have a 38 points 2C instead of a PPG one. It worked out great in the regular season but the Jets will eventually come short (sooner than later) because they lack a good 2C. Maybe you should’ve kept PLD after all.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Ah yes it worked so great that you have a 38 points 2C instead of a PPG one. It worked out great in the regular season but the Jets will eventually come short (sooner than later) because they lack a good 2C. Maybe you should’ve kept PLD after all.

Problem is like most star players, PLD wanted out of Wpg. Which to be honest you can't blame him. Too small of a market for him. However, he's too mentally weak to take a chance on if you were the Habs. Glad he's not a Hab - he doesn't fit the DNA.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Problem is like most star players, PLD wanted out of Wpg. Which to be honest you can't blame him. Too small of a market for him. However, he's too mentally weak to take a chance on if you were the Habs. Glad he's not a Hab - he doesn't fit the DNA.

In insight maybe they should’ve done everything in their power to keep him and make him happy. They probably didn’t do enough.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

In insight maybe they should’ve done everything in their power to keep him and make him happy. They probably didn’t do enough.

Unfortunately for Wpg, they didn't have a choice. PLD made it clear he wanted out. He just can't see himself playing in that small market. A part of me felt for him, but that prima-dona attitude of his is not conducive to playing for the Habs.

It is what is is though. He seems happy being far away from Wpf.

 

[Buffdog]

Ah yes it worked so great that you have a 38 points 2C instead of a PPG one. It worked out great in the regular season but the Jets will eventually come short (sooner than later) because they lack a good 2C. Maybe you should’ve kept PLD after all.

I would have loved to have kept PLD, but that wasn't an option either

31 teans will fall short. Chevy does a great job with what he has to work with. You can't argue that

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Everyone was ecstatic we didn’t give up assets for PLD let alone the contract when he totally shit the bed in LA, dude is the Goldie Locks of the NHL, if everything is just right he can be a valuable player, otherwise he’s ass.

 

[Draft]

I would have loved to have kept PLD, but that wasn't an option either

31 teans will fall short. Chevy does a great job with what he has to work with. You can't argue that

Yes.

What does this have to do with MTL acquiring a 2nd line center? Quit fishing for compliments, make a proposal if you have one.

 

[Buffdog]

Yes.

What does this have to do with MTL acquiring a 2nd line center? Quit fishing for compliments, make a proposal if you have one.

I was just pointing out the irony that this wouldn't even be a conversation if your GM would have been OK with giving up Dach for PLD two years ago.

Jets fans took a lot of shit from Habs fans in those threads... I'm just coming here to point this out

How about Namestnikov for Dach and a late 1st lol