Value of: A 2nd line center to Montreal.

[Essenege]

Our 2 back to back first round picks are ideal for a trade at the draft.

The other side will know right then and there which prospects they get and if the trade make sense.

I still see Pittsburgh (Crosby or Malkin) as the most natural trading partner, they have vets and need future, we have future and need vets. It’s just a matter of finding the right price, and ideally Crosby agreeing to it.

 

[boredmale]

Maybe not your ideal 2nd line Center but Pageau from the Islanders could be had for one of Montreal 2nd rounders in 2026(the later one)

 

[Baksfamous112]

Maybe not your ideal 2nd line Center but Pageau from the Islanders could be had for one of Montreal 2nd rounders in 2026(the later one)

Pageau is not a 2C so no thank you

 

[AvatarAang]

I'd give up both our 1st rd picks + Dach + Roy for the right 2nd line C. Horvat's contract and age is a no go from the start. Barzel would be in the perfect age range. There's a few 27 and under you could get at the right price.

lol dach is the new Ryder, habs fans throw him into every proposal as if he’s still worth a lot

Barzal is not being traded for your 1sts and junk. He has more ppg seasons than Suzuki, the isles aren’t going to give him away.

 

[Frank Drebin]

As a fellow hab fan I'm sorry for the others making such awful trade proposals. It starts with reinbacker and hage plus multiple firsts and then add some more people think we can get a legit star for pieces of shit players like new hook and dach Jesus

my fellow habs fans I'm sorry for this guy. It starts and ends with mesar and a second, get over it

 

[pth2]

lol dach is the new Ryder, habs fans throw him into every proposal as if he’s still worth a lot

Barzal is not being traded for your 1sts and junk. He has more ppg seasons than Suzuki, the isles aren’t going to give him away.

This is unfair to Ryder. He was a fine NHLer, it's just that scoring wingers are easier to see as expendable, so he was frequently offered by fans in deals.

Dach is an oft injured guy who has been terrific in short spurts and horrible for much longer ones. He's gone from "stalled young player" to "reclamation project" and his trade value has tanked as well.
I expect Dach gets moved for a reclamation project, to a team that can give him ice time without pressure, and see if he can return to a positive development path, otherwise the KHL becomes a real possibility.

 

[biturbo19]

This is unfair to Ryder. He was a fine NHLer, it's just that scoring wingers are easier to see as expendable, so he was frequently offered by fans in deals.

Dach is an oft injured guy who has been terrific in short spurts and horrible for much longer ones. He's gone from "stalled young player" to "reclamation project" and his trade value has tanked as well.
I expect Dach gets moved for a reclamation project, to a team that can give him ice time without pressure, and see if he can return to a positive development path, otherwise the KHL becomes a real possibility.

I doubt the KHL option is anywhere particular close on the horizon for Dach. Guys with draft pedigree, size, and flashes of good play...plus the ability to at least theoretically find a home on someone's 4th line if the offensive side of things doesn't materialize consistently, tend to kick around for a long time in this league. Even if they're always bouncing from team to team and on and off the injured reserve. They get endless opportunities. I mean...look at guys like Poehling, McCarron, et al.

But yeah...his "value" has pretty much bottomed out. He's nothing more than a throw-in or reclamation project that someone might take a flyer on at this point. There's just been too much disruption and stop/start, one step forward two steps back sort of stuff in his development at this point to think of him as anything more than that. Very much a fringe player these days...but with a few saving graces in his traits and pedigree that'll keep feeding him NHL opportunities.

 

[pth2]

I doubt the KHL option is anywhere particular close on the horizon for Dach. Guys with draft pedigree, size, and flashes of good play...plus the ability to at least theoretically find a home on someone's 4th line if the offensive side of things doesn't materialize consistently, tend to kick around for a long time in this league. Even if they're always bouncing from team to team and on and off the injured reserve. They get endless opportunities. I mean...look at guys like Poehling, McCarron, et al.

But yeah...his "value" has pretty much bottomed out. He's nothing more than a throw-in or reclamation project that someone might take a flyer on at this point. There's just been too much disruption and stop/start, one step forward two steps back sort of stuff in his development at this point to think of him as anything more than that. Very much a fringe player these days...but with a few saving graces in his traits and pedigree that'll keep feeding him NHL opportunities.

I don't see the grit you need from the guys you mention (Poehling, McC), for Dach to thrive in a lower ine role.
I figure Dach is on the same path as Colin White...

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I don't see the grit you need from the guys you mention (Poehling, McC), for Dach to thrive in a lower ine role.
I figure Dach is on the same path as Colin White...

May as well hold onto Dach. He has no value in trade. What little potential he has left should be explored next season. Worst case he can be waived.

 

[pth2]

May as well hold onto Dach. He has no value in trade. What little potential he has left should be explored next season. Worst case he can be waived.

Agreed, unless a GM is willing to flip him for an equally talented, equally unsatisfactory player.

 

[Captain97]

My gut says

One of our mid 1sts + Mailloux + Dach

For

Zegras + late 2nd/early 3rd

I'm not commenting on fair but I think it's gonna happen.

 

[First Line]

Pageau is not a 2C so no thank you

Half his thread is about Bedard or Barzal and they are not 2C

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Beck was the 33rd pick, Ratu was 52nd
At 20, in their rookie season in the AHL:
Raty: 54gp-9g-18a-27pts
Beck: 62gp-14g-27a-41pts

The poster I was responding to ignorantly said that Hage and Raty were the same tier of prospects. Considering Hage is a MUCH better prospect than Beck and Beck himself is a better prospect than Raty, it was a dumb comment. If Hage is a B tier prospect, Raty is a C tier prospect.

I have no dog in this fight but your years are off. They are basically a year apart, Beck is less then 15 months younger not anything to quibble over. Saying they were both rookies is disingenuous.

Raty draft+2 AHL 54gp-9g-18a-27pts
Beck draft+2 OHL 57gp-34g-47a-81pts

Raty draft+3 AHL 72gp-18g-34a-52pts .72 ppg
Beck draft+3 AHL 62gp-14g-27a-41pts .66 ppg

 

[Nevins]

The Dallas Stars' situation could be interesting for the Habs. They only have $6,241,657 (projected cap space) with 15 signed players.Mavrik Bourque (c) and Nils Lundvist (rd)could be candidates (offer sheet or trade)who would fill needs on the Canadiens.And Dallas probably won't be able to sign Duchene and Granlund, two productive centers who are good on Faceoffs.Both are UFA.

 

[pth2]

My gut says

One of our mid 1sts + Mailloux + Dach

For

Zegras + late 2nd/early 3rd

I'm not commenting on fair but I think it's gonna happen.

Given the persistent rumors of #21 and Mailloux for Zegras and a 2nd at the 2024 draft, this serms at least plausible.

 

[glenbuis2]

Our 2 back to back first round picks are ideal for a trade at the draft.

The other side will know right then and there which prospects they get and if the trade make sense.

I still see Pittsburgh (Crosby or Malkin) as the most natural trading partner, they have vets and need future, we have future and need vets. It’s just a matter of finding the right price, and ideally Crosby agreeing to it.

malkin is finished dude

 

[Gregor Samsa]

If you agree with the following statement, how many top 6 centers are in the league?

“Not every team has a 1C and/or 2C”

 

[Anaheim4ever]

My gut says

One of our mid 1sts + Mailloux + Dach

For

Zegras + late 2nd/early 3rd

I'm not commenting on fair but I think it's gonna happen.

At the time that was a rumored deal for Zegras at the 2024 draft, Zegras had a really bad injury plagued season. This year he got hurt again and was still disappointing but not as bad as last year, however in the last 2 months of the season he was playing back to his normal self. So I can't see the trade happening for the same package. I also think Mailoux would have too much competition in Anaheim next season with Luneau, Moore, Helleson, Trouba, Gudas for one of the RD spots.

 

[biturbo19]

I don't see the grit you need from the guys you mention (Poehling, McC), for Dach to thrive in a lower ine role.
I figure Dach is on the same path as Colin White...

Ehhh...maybe not. But that "grit" and reinventing his game as a more traditional "bottom-6 Forward" is the sort of thing that is at least within the realm of control for Dach. That's something he can actively pursue in trying to find a role to stick around in. Plenty of guys have followed that route over the years, remodeling their game in more of that 4th line energy guy mold. And Dach does have all the tools and traits to find a home in that.


Colin White still illustrates how guys with draft pedigree and some tools will get endless chances to prove that they're not good enough...in contrast with others who have to scratch and claw their way into their narrow little window of opportunity somewhere. Also in contrast with Dach though, has also never really had quite the same size, or more importantly...demonstrated the same flashes that Dach has at times when healthy (rare). These guys tend to just stick around though, even if that means riding some busses in the AHL at times until they can finally develop that grittier 4th line sort of game and "whatever it takes to stick" mentality to hang around.

 

[bert]

Habs would have to give up both Hage and Reinbacher for Bedard, let’s be real here. Hawks want young players if they’re giving Bedard up

Lol bedard isn't getting traded for that.

 

[Grinner]

Habs would have to give up both Hage and Reinbacher for Bedard, let’s be real here. Hawks want young players if they’re giving Bedard up

I'm pretty sure it starts with Demidov

 

[Baksfamous112]

At the time that was a rumored deal for Zegras at the 2024 draft, Zegras had a really bad injury plagued season. This year he got hurt again and was still disappointing but not as bad as last year, however in the last 2 months of the season he was playing back to his normal self. So I can't see the trade happening for the same package. I also think Mailoux would have too much competition in Anaheim next season with Luneau, Moore, Helleson, Trouba, Gudas for one of the RD spots.

Yes the same was said last year about Zegras, that he was back as his former self since he had like 11 pts in his last 16 games to close out the year.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Maybe not your ideal 2nd line Center but Pageau from the Islanders could be had for one of Montreal 2nd rounders in 2026(the later one)

should've quit there

 

[Essenege]

lol dach is the new Ryder, habs fans throw him into every proposal as if he’s still worth a lot

Barzal is not being traded for your 1sts and junk. He has more ppg seasons than Suzuki, the isles aren’t going to give him away.

These boards have a tendency to overrate 1st round picks. But since this is a Habs thread it seems like we’re undervaluing them a lot? Like they’re throwaway or something. I mean just in the Habs we got Guhle, Caufield, Suzuki at those spots. Countless other example around the league.

 

[A1LeafNation]

malkin is finished dude

I thought he was Russian.