Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[FriendlyGhost92]

Moving forward i think the bolded is correct.

But Zegras was racking up 65 points in the NHL at the same age Datysuk was putting up seasons of 26 and 6 point seasons in the KHL.

Obviously Datsyuk went super nova. He started breaking out at 23.

Zegras was the better player at the younger age. He is yet to start his 23 year old season but 35 points is a very beatable threshold for Zegras.

I would hope he can hit 35 points in a league where 10+ players are breaking 100 points, in a situation where he's not getting 3rd line minutes like Datsyuk was.

Randomly bypassed all that information...

 

[izlez]

I would hope he can hit 35 points in a league where 10+ players are breaking 100 points, in a situation where he's not getting 3rd line minutes like Datsyuk was.

Randomly bypassed all that information...

And to loop back around, all these arguments your trying to make are to show that 23 year old Zegras is not REMOTELY as good as 23 year old Datsyuk, not just that he was simply better?

 

[SirloinUB]

I would hope he can hit 35 points in a league where 10+ players are breaking 100 points, in a situation where he's not getting 3rd line minutes like Datsyuk was.

Randomly bypassed all that information...

You're also bypassing Zegras putting up more than twice as much points in the best league in the world than Datsyuk put up in a tier 2 or 3 league.

Ill be shocked if zegras every reaches datysuk's ceiling but Zegras was the better player in their early career.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Your also bypassing Zegras putting up more than twice as much points in the best league in the world than Datsyuk put up in a tier 2 or 3 league.

Ill be shocked if zegras every reaches datysuk's ceiling but Zegras was the better player in their early career.

Comparing scoring between two different leagues is quite the argument.

Anthony Mantha was a two time 50 goal scorer before he was 20!*

*In the QMJHL.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

And to loop back around, all these arguments your trying to make are to show that 23 year old Zegras is not REMOTELY as good as 23 year old Datsyuk, not just that he was simply better?

And to loop back around, are we still ignoring that Datsyuk on his worst day is still miles ahead defensively than Zegras at his best?

 

[SirloinUB]

Comparing scoring between two different leagues is quite the argument.

Anthony Mantha was a two time 50 goal scorer before he was 20!*

*In the QMJHL.

Ahh yes. Comparing two professional leagues is the same as comparing a pro league to a junior league. Give me a break.


It really is ironic that you bring up a player putting up big numbers in a lower level of hockey because datysuk was putting up lesser numbers than zegras in a lesser league.

 

[jkutswings]

Nate Danielson.

Just thought I'd start a tangent.

 

[norrisnick]

And to loop back around, are we still ignoring that Datsyuk on his worst day is still miles ahead defensively than Zegras at his best?

Considering the veracity of the claim? Yes.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Ahh yes. Comparing two professional leagues is the same as comparing a pro league to a junior league. Give me a break.


It really is ironic that you bring up a player putting up big numbers in a lower level of hockey because datysuk was putting up lesser numbers than zegras in a lesser league.

You're right, comparing NHL scoring to KHL scoring (Two completely different leagues) is totally rational.

Kotkaniemi was better than Raymond at 18 years old because he scored more in the NHL than Raymond in the SHL.

 

[izlez]

And to loop back around, are we still ignoring that Datsyuk on his worst day is still miles ahead defensively than Zegras at his best?

There was a 7 game span in 2001 when Datsyuk was -6 with 0 points and a total of 2 shots.

Very sure that on his WORST day Datsyuk was not MILES better defensively than Zegras at his BEST

 

[SirloinUB]

You're right, comparing NHL scoring to KHL scoring (Two completely different leagues) is totally rational.

Kotkaniemi was better than Raymond at 18 years old because he scored more in the NHL than Raymond in the SHL.

From a points per game angle they put up similar numbers albeit Kotkaniemi did it at a higher level of hockey so I would say it was more impressive.

From a points per game angle Zegras was quite a bit better in a better league than datysuk for the ages of 20-22. Development isn't linear and being the better player at a younger age doesn't mean he will be the better player in the long run.

But I am done with this. TIL putting up lesser points in a lesser league is better than putting up more points in a better league. Fascinating stuff.

 

[DamonDRW]

There was a 7 game span in 2001 when Datsyuk was -6 with 0 points and a total of 2 shots.

Very sure that on his WORST day Datsyuk was not MILES better defensively than Zegras at his BEST

this smells like Rory Fitzpatrick ad featuring Nicklas Lindstrom. Someone needs to add it.

 

[sepster]

Nate Danielson.

Just thought I'd start a tangent.

Take it to the Compher thread, nerd!

 

[sepster]

I think it's becoming an overrated number in general, but doesn't look too bad on Danielson. I thought Danielson looked extra mint wearing #89 in Portland since #29 was already occupied

I've seen lefties like Mogilny, Comrie, Buchnevich, Boedker wear #89, even Sam Gagner as a righty but something about a big fast righty center like Danielson wearing it looked perfect. Tuch in Buffalo is a big fast player wearing it and I think it suits him well

I would love if he were to stick with 89.

29 will always be a goalie number in my eyes. Plus, every Wings forward (Jason Williams, Landon Ferraro, Steve Ott, Brendan Perlini) who has worn it has been garbage.

 

[SirloinUB]

Nate Danielson.

Just thought I'd start a tangent.

Who amongst us hasn't gotten sucked into a weird tangent that you don't really care about while bickering about sports.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Can we talk about how much #29 is a crap number for Danielson?

19 and 91 for Yzerman and Fedorov.

29 and 92 for Danielson and Kasper. I’m just waiting for the photos on ice.

 

[stillwater]

Yep. Comparing stats at specific ages tell us that Zegras > Datsyuk and Zadina is > Kucherov.

 

[sepster]

19 and 91 for Yzerman and Fedorov.

29 and 92 for Danielson and Kasper. I’m just waiting for the photos on ice.

I remember when this photo came out (I have a copy) and it was such an exciting time for Wings' fans. The cool part about this photo (aside from it being Yzerman and Fedorov) is that WAS 1991!!

I certainly hope we're not waiting until 2992 for Danielson and Kasper to make an impact.

 

[The Zermanator]

Comparing scoring between two different leagues is quite the argument.

Anthony Mantha was a two time 50 goal scorer before he was 20!*

*In the QMJHL.

When one of those leagues is the NHL, yes it is.

 

[Henkka]

I remember when this photo came out (I have a copy) and it was such an exciting time for Wings' fans. The cool part about this photo (aside from it being Yzerman and Fedorov) is that WAS 1991!!

I certainly hope we're not waiting until 2992 for Danielson and Kasper to make an impact.

Really nice picture.

Especially that 19+91 thing at 1991.

 

[heyfolks]

You sure are making a case for a high up role in the Forget-Carter-Mazur-Exists club

WHO?

Really? Is it the Copp thread I have to check to see what happened?

Rank the prospects thread. I believe in the #15 poll.

 

[Oddbob]

At age 22, Zegras has 154 points in 211 NHL games.

At age 22, Datsyuk was scoring at about half the pace of noted superstar Dmitri Kvartalnov in the KHL.

At 23, Datsyuk had 35 points in 70 NHL games. Good enough for 9th best on his team while having the 12th best +/-

During the dead puck era, playing limited minutes on a stacked team.

 

[izlez]

During the dead puck era, playing limited minutes on a stacked team.

Man, the ducks have been bad but I think they'd hold up pretty well against a 2001 KHL team

 

[Oddbob]

Man, the ducks have been bad but I think they'd hold up pretty well against a 2001 KHL team

I doubt highly that Zegras would put up 35 pts playing 3rd/4th line and no pp time on the 01-02 Wings. If Datsyuk put up 35 pts with no pp time and low minutes, imagine he cruises to 50 at least and probably more with higher usage and pp time.

 

[ricky0034]

I for one am just impressed how Datsyuk managed to put up a higher percentage of his points on the powerplay than Zegras did even though he didn't get any powerplay time at all