#90 Nikita Chibrikov

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It's sad ... people only look at the score sheet if he's not getting any points he's no good.:huh:
Lots of the media heads are mentioning Lowry's line is probably the best 3rd line in the NHL and I bet someone will pay Appleton over the summer especially if the Jets have a long run in the playoffs.

Are they one of the best 3rd lines, or an average 2nd line? But ya Appleton might be a cap casualty, which is chill with some of these young guys coming up.

I don't mean to suggest that Apples is as good offensively as Lambert. That remains to be seen. Just provide a bit of context to the "bad hands" comment.

Appleton's Moose team was pretty bad, not like this year's Moose though. He was head and shoulders the best player on the team the 1 time I went to a Moose game. In fact, I thought at the time that he was the best player on the ice. Posted that here somewhere.

Right now Appleton is almost definitely better offensively than Lambert. You don't see Appleton whiffing on empty nets like that haha. But Lambert has the potential for sure
 

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I don't mean to suggest that Apples is as good offensively as Lambert. That remains to be seen. Just provide a bit of context to the "bad hands" comment.

Appleton's Moose team was pretty bad, not like this year's Moose though. He was head and shoulders the best player on the team the 1 time I went to a Moose game. In fact, I thought at the time that he was the best player on the ice. Posted that here somewhere.

Right now Appleton is almost definitely better offensively than Lambert. You don't see Appleton whiffing on empty nets like that haha. But Lambert has the potential for sure
 

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Are they one of the best 3rd lines, or an average 2nd line? But ya Appleton might be a cap casualty, which is chill with some of these young guys coming up.



Right now Appleton is almost definitely better offensively than Lambert. You don't see Appleton whiffing on empty nets like that haha. But Lambert has the potential for sure
Last year they were 13th best line in the NHL in expected goals % and 23rd in actual goals % (depending on how many mins cutoff is)

This year they are more ranked in the 20's in expected goals % and top 10 in actual goals %

If anything they are more like one of the best 2nd lines in the league and an average 1st line.

Appleton may be a likely cap casualty, but he definitely isn't holding anyone back in his role. Not that you were saying he is, just adding to discussion!
 

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Last year they were 13th best line in the NHL in expected goals % and 23rd in actual goals % (depending on how many mins cutoff is)

This year they are more ranked in the 20's in expected goals % and top 10 in actual goals %

If anything they are more like one of the best 2nd lines in the league and an average 1st line.

Appleton may be a likely cap casualty, but he definitely isn't holding anyone back in his role. Not that you were saying he is, just adding to discussion!

They're great defensively, but lack the offense to be considered "one of the best 2nd lines" imo. Lowry has the most points and is tied for 109th for league scoring for forwards, (141st for ppg min. 10 gp).

But ya they're a consistently great line, and get the ice time they deserve.

Since this is the Chibrikov thread I'll just add that he seems like a great fit to replace Appleton next year. Tho I'm sure lots of players could slot in there and do well.
 
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They're great defensively, but lack the offense to be considered "one of the best 2nd lines" imo. Lowry has the most points and is tied for 109th for league scoring for forwards, (141st for ppg min. 10 gp).

But ya they're a consistently great line, and get the ice time they deserve.

Since this is the Chibrikov thread I'll just add that he seems like a great fit to replace Appleton next year. Tho I'm sure lots of players could slot in there and do well.

I can agree with this,all of it
 

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I think you should spend a couple games watching Barron more closely. If I was a coach, he would be exactly the type of player that I’d want on my team.
He does all the little things right and I strongly disagree that he loses board battles. In fact, I feel the exact opposite and think he is one of the best on the Jets in that regard.
Even though he had 11 goals last year and eight goals a year before, which is really good numbers for a fourth line guy that doesn’t get a lot of minutes, I do agree that he probably doesn’t have the best hands.
The guy is definitely in a slump, but I wouldn’t write him off yet. He’s a far better than average fourth line player.
I think that Baron, Kupari and Iafallo are all better than average 4th liners. They spend a lot of time in the other team's zone and I never break a sweat when they're out there. Do I wish they would all score more? Yes, but they may give up setting up scoring plays to simply keep the opposition occupied in their own zone while the other three lines rest.

Who knows though.
 

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The Illegal Curve story on him today was a good read. I'd post it but I think the proprietors probably should before I do.

Gives you some idea of the mindset Arniel has into where he fits, and what his teammates think of him. Talks about him maybe being the same as AI in the lineup, capable energy guy in the bottom six, contributing to PP.

The tough one for Arniel is who to take out. Barron is the easiest target because he doesn't score, but his metrics on the PK are pretty good, better than any of the regular 4 forwards used, behind the tail end guys who don't get a lot of matchups against the opposition's top unit, like Connor and Apples.

I think the issue you might have with waiving Gus is he can kill penalties at an NHL level. And play center. Which might get him claimed. I would say Coghlan for sure gets claimed as injuries take their toll, and teams might look to weaken the Jets depth. I can't comment on where Anderson-Dolan is at after coming back to the Moose with a broken foot, but he did seem like a guy who was competing with Gustafsson in preseason, a player that Arniel wasn't overly optimistic about, I believe the comment was "I know what Gus is" or something along those lines. But organizationally the Jets probably want some depth there, because the risk is higher for PKers to get injured. I mean there is always AJF, and Mason Shaw can kill penalties perhaps, but it's an interesting decision upcoming.

My guess is the Jets/Arniel give him a look in the bottom of the lineup, and IR Gustafsson for a bit, see what the results are.
 

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I think that Baron, Kupari and Iafallo are all better than average 4th liners. They spend a lot of time in the other team's zone and I never break a sweat when they're out there. Do I wish they would all score more? Yes, but they may give up setting up scoring plays to simply keep the opposition occupied in their own zone while the other three lines rest.

Who knows though.
They're kind of the definition of "low event"... only 3 goals for and 3 against in 177 minutes of 5v5

They are positive in shot metrics and xGF% though.

I think the 4th line and bottom D pairing fall under the "we don't need you to win any games for us, but you can't lose any for us" category. Same could probably be said for the back up goalie
 
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Love what he has done so far in a very young NHL career, has opened my eyes as he seems to have the ability to score and get his nose dirty. As for what the Jets do with him when Nik comes back I have no idea but if the Jets follow precedent he will be heading back to the Moose but if another injury occurs he will get the call up ahead of Lambert
 

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It's sad ... people only look at the score sheet if he's not getting any points he's no good.:huh:
Lots of the media heads are mentioning Lowry's line is probably the best 3rd line in the NHL and I bet someone will pay Appleton over the summer especially if the Jets have a long run in the playoffs.
Some people just want what is best for their favorite players, team doesn't matter. The Lowry line has done a great job, it's not broken but it's time to fix it because we love a young mystery box.
 
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They're great defensively, but lack the offense to be considered "one of the best 2nd lines" imo. Lowry has the most points and is tied for 109th for league scoring for forwards, (141st for ppg min. 10 gp).

But ya they're a consistently great line, and get the ice time they deserve.

Since this is the Chibrikov thread I'll just add that he seems like a great fit to replace Appleton next year. Tho I'm sure lots of players could slot in there and do well.

Hmmm. If first liners are the top 96 scorers (32 teams, with three top liners each) why exactly is 109th in scoring not a second line level?
 
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Hmmm. If first liners are the top 96 scorers (32 teams, with three top liners each) why exactly is 109th in scoring not a second line level?
The Jets lines have been pretty consistent.

Out of 77 lines that have played at least 100 minutes at 5v5 this season:

LineTOI (Rank)TOI/G (Rank)GF (Rank)GA (Rank)+/-GF% (Rank)GF/60 (Rank)GA/60 (Rank)
CSV408.6 (1)12.77 (1)20 (1)18 (77)+252.6% (54)2.94 (43)2.64 (50)
ALN317.2 (2)9.91 (14)17 (5)7 (47)+1070.8% (12)3.22 (38)1.32 (15)
ENP224.5 (10)9.35 (16)12 (18)5 (30)+770.6% (13)3.21 (39)1.34 (17)
IKB179.3 (21)6.18 (64)3 (73)3 (10)+050.0% (56)1.00 (74)1.00 (6)

It's interesting that no team plays their top line more than the Jets play CSV. They're ahead of everyone in TOI because CSV have been healthy and play every game together. They're ahead of everyone in TOI per game, as well - partly because the Jets play a lot of 5v5 minutes (not many penalties for or against) and Arniel rarely brings out the blender (things have to be pretty far off the rails before he messes with CSV).

CSV's results are break-even - as they pretty much always are.

Lowry's line has scored almost as many goals as CSV, allowed far fewer against, and has to be counted as one of the top lines in the league.

ENP was as effective as Lowry's line until Ehlers went down (yes, Ehlers has missed a lot of the Jets slide...but you could argue that the Jets probably wouldn't be sliding as hard if Ehlers was healthy). Anyway, solid results.

If the 4th line's job is to "make sure nothing happens", well, they're absolutely crushing that goal... there's SFA going down at either end when they're together. :laugh:

I don't really have a larger point here other than these observations triggered by the discussion @Weezeric and @bumblebeeman were having about Lowry's line.

TL/DR: Lowry's line plays a lot, wins their matchups, and I'd say they're one of the best lines in the league, without qualification.
 

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The Jets lines have been pretty consistent.

Out of 77 lines that have played at least 100 minutes at 5v5 this season:

LineTOI (Rank)TOI/G (Rank)GF (Rank)GA (Rank)+/-GF% (Rank)GF/60 (Rank)GA/60 (Rank)
CSV408.6 (1)12.77 (1)20 (1)18 (77)+252.6% (54)2.94 (43)2.64 (50)
ALN317.2 (2)9.91 (14)17 (5)7 (47)+1070.8% (12)3.22 (38)1.32 (15)
ENP224.5 (10)9.35 (16)12 (18)5 (30)+770.6% (13)3.21 (39)1.34 (17)
IKB179.3 (21)6.18 (64)3 (73)3 (10)+050.0% (56)1.00 (74)1.00 (6)

It's interesting that no team plays their top line more than the Jets play CSV. They're ahead of everyone in TOI because CSV have been healthy and play every game together. They're ahead of everyone in TOI per game, as well - partly because the Jets play a lot of 5v5 minutes (not many penalties for or against) and Arniel rarely brings out the blender (things have to be pretty far off the rails before he messes with CSV).

CSV's results are break-even - as they pretty much always are.

Lowry's line has scored almost as many goals as CSV, allowed far fewer against, and has to be counted as one of the top lines in the league.

ENP was as effective as Lowry's line until Ehlers went down (yes, Ehlers has missed a lot of the Jets slide...but you could argue that the Jets probably wouldn't be sliding as hard if Ehlers was healthy). Anyway, solid results.

If the 4th line's job is to "make sure nothing happens", well, they're absolutely crushing that goal... there's SFA going down at either end when they're together. :laugh:

I don't really have a larger point here other than these observations triggered by the discussion @Weezeric and @bumblebeeman were having about Lowry's line.

TL/DR: Lowry's line plays a lot, wins their matchups, and I'd say they're one of the best lines in the league, without qualification.
I made a comment somewhere that Barron-Kupari-Iafallo is the definition of "low event"

CSV looks like the definition of "high event"
 
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I made a comment somewhere that Barron-Kupari-Iafallo is the definition of "low event"

CSV looks like the definition of "high event"
they started slow 3-9 and have been 17-9 since that start even with scheifele playing a chunk of games hurt
 

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The Jets lines have been pretty consistent.

Out of 77 lines that have played at least 100 minutes at 5v5 this season:

LineTOI (Rank)TOI/G (Rank)GF (Rank)GA (Rank)+/-GF% (Rank)GF/60 (Rank)GA/60 (Rank)
CSV408.6 (1)12.77 (1)20 (1)18 (77)+252.6% (54)2.94 (43)2.64 (50)
ALN317.2 (2)9.91 (14)17 (5)7 (47)+1070.8% (12)3.22 (38)1.32 (15)
ENP224.5 (10)9.35 (16)12 (18)5 (30)+770.6% (13)3.21 (39)1.34 (17)
IKB179.3 (21)6.18 (64)3 (73)3 (10)+050.0% (56)1.00 (74)1.00 (6)

It's interesting that no team plays their top line more than the Jets play CSV. They're ahead of everyone in TOI because CSV have been healthy and play every game together. They're ahead of everyone in TOI per game, as well - partly because the Jets play a lot of 5v5 minutes (not many penalties for or against) and Arniel rarely brings out the blender (things have to be pretty far off the rails before he messes with CSV).

CSV's results are break-even - as they pretty much always are.

Lowry's line has scored almost as many goals as CSV, allowed far fewer against, and has to be counted as one of the top lines in the league.

ENP was as effective as Lowry's line until Ehlers went down (yes, Ehlers has missed a lot of the Jets slide...but you could argue that the Jets probably wouldn't be sliding as hard if Ehlers was healthy). Anyway, solid results.

If the 4th line's job is to "make sure nothing happens", well, they're absolutely crushing that goal... there's SFA going down at either end when they're together. :laugh:

I don't really have a larger point here other than these observations triggered by the discussion @Weezeric and @bumblebeeman were having about Lowry's line.

TL/DR: Lowry's line plays a lot, wins their matchups, and I'd say they're one of the best lines in the league, without qualification.
Lowry's line was on the ice for both goals against last game or they would be crushing it even more. The last game against S.J definitely turned the stats of the ENP combo in the right direction. 1/4 of their goal output came in that blowout. Be hard for Chibrikov to match that output but with Namestnikov and Perfetti, don't think Chibrikov has been on for a goal against. That's how you get onto the 4th line.
 
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It's been a bit of a rollercoaster with them this season...2-9 at one point I thought, then 9-1, then 10-8 since?
yeah, their struggles started as soon as scheifele got injured but now that he is better there play has picked up again
 

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