World Cup: 9/9: World Cup Presser, Toronto (schedule leaked in post 11?)

[habsrule4eva3089]

The talk of excessive ads is so frustrating, even further ruining this tournament to levels never seen before.

I don't expect Olympic level aesthetics but Look at how beautiful the arena looks, no ads, no ads on jersey's, no ads in the arena, just country logo on each chest, it's so pure.

And I guess its nhl rules so fighting is allowed. -_-

Canada proved in Sochi how the game of Hockey is suppose to be played. Yet again, another rule to please new north american fans who after watching that silly american football think violence is the only beauty required in sport.

 

[JackSlater]

Personally dont like the best-of-three, as it kinda ruins the whole country/world getting together for one glorious couple hours of watching.

I mean, who was really dying to see Canada-Sweden 1-2 more times? Teams actually have a better chance of beating Canada in 1 game so the suspense is a little better to me.

I mean, I just think it was more potential for dud finals personally than not.

History doesn't support that idea at all. Some of the most famous moments in hockey history (Canada at least) have come from these best of three finals. Sittler in 1976, Lemieux in 1987 and the American win in 1996.

 

[cutchemist42]

History doesn't support that idea at all. Some of the most famous moments in hockey history (Canada at least) have come from these best of three finals. Sittler in 1976, Lemieux in 1987 and the American win in 1996.

You view the 96 Final fondly? It featured two 5-2 games. If you mean because of the 1 game vs 3, I think more times than not that Canada wins best-of-3 series. I dont think the NHL is being smarter than the already established status quo of 1 game for all the marbles.

If you're going to do series tho, I would rather it be consistent and have series for the semis too. Theres a greater chance of a worse team having a surprise win in 1 semi game, and than producing a terrible best-of-3 Final.

 

[varsaku]

You view the 96 Final fondly? It featured two 5-2 games. If you mean because of the 1 game vs 3, I think more times than not that Canada wins best-of-3 series. I dont think the NHL is being smarter than the already established status quo of 1 game for all the marbles.

If you're going to do series tho, I would rather it be consistent and have series for the semis too. Theres a greater chance of a worse team having a surprise win in 1 semi game, and than producing a terrible best-of-3 Final.

Having a best of three final means the NHL can sell atleast two games at premium compared having just one.

Almost all international tournaments in any sport end with the final being just one game.

 

[JackSlater]

You view the 96 Final fondly? It featured two 5-2 games. If you mean because of the 1 game vs 3, I think more times than not that Canada wins best-of-3 series. I dont think the NHL is being smarter than the already established status quo of 1 game for all the marbles.

If you're going to do series tho, I would rather it be consistent and have series for the semis too. Theres a greater chance of a worse team having a surprise win in 1 semi game, and than producing a terrible best-of-3 Final.

I don't remember it fondly, as my team lost, but that final was great hockey. It's also misleading to say two games were 5-2 as if that means the entertainment level was low. The final game (ended 5-2 for the Americans) was one of the most exciting games I've ever seen, as Canada was up 2-1 with three minutes remaining.

I agree that the semi finals being best of three would be better. The more meaningful games, the better.

 

[RandV]

Sorry, it was probably already answered, but why do Team Europe players have to participate in this?

It is a part of their NHL contract?

I think it is, so it's best to just look at it as an NHL tournament. Which creates the problem that going by NHL players only you can really only build 6 national teams, and that's not a good number for a tournament. Hence the NHL's wacky solution.

And I'm kind of surprised that the KHL is participating now. If they could have jumped on board earlier along with the other Euro leagues maybe the NHL wouldn't have proposed the two exhibition teams.

Personally I think that while not ideal it will still be fun and will be tuning in. Some people just take this too seriously, while yes you'd like to be playing for your country my frame of mind is that once you enter that locker room and step out onto the ice you're in it to win, whether the jersey you're wearing is a real nation or an afterthought pseudo team.

 

[mjlee]

Well if Bill Daly gets his way this is just the beginning. He's said he envisions a Ryder Cup of hockey replacing the Olympics, so Team Rest of the World v Team North America. That will be really be loads of fun.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Well if Bill Daly gets his way this is just the beginning. He's said he envisions a Ryder Cup of hockey replacing the Olympics, so Team Rest of the World v Team North America. That will be really be loads of fun.

Yup, another sport that's american dominated and not played and cared about around the World.

That's what they think of this global game of ours.

Whatever favors the American people aka their clients, is good for their league!

Thank god we have the iihf helping the game grow. This league doesn't know there's more then 2 countries that play the game of Ice Hockey.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Yup, another sport that's american dominated and not played and cared about around the World.

That's what they think of this global game of ours.

Whatever favors the American people aka their clients, is good for their league!

Thank god we have the iihf helping the game grow. This league doesn't know there's more then 2 countries that play the game of Ice Hockey.

Can you believe the NHL listens to the wishes of the countries that pumps the most money into it?! Who would've thought? I get where you're coming from but why wouldn't they favor their clients?

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Can you believe the NHL listens to the wishes of the countries that pumps the most money into it?! Who would've thought? I get where you're coming from but why wouldn't they favor their clients?

Really? There's just about 20+ million Canadians a lot also ''CLIENTS'' that wake up in the wee hours of the morning to watch Olympic Hockey and would love to continue doing that every 4 years, yet here's a league when addressing this issue only care about the lost viewers in the grand old U.S of A when commenting on it.

Just about anyone with a cerebrum following this league wanted an international tournament that's proper without nonsensical teams and just nations, from the beginning when they just threw it out to the media and EVERYONE insulted them.

What happen?

Thanks for listening.

 

[JackSlater]

The talk of excessive ads is so frustrating, even further ruining this tournament to levels never seen before.

I don't expect Olympic level aesthetics but Look at how beautiful the arena looks, no ads, no ads on jersey's, no ads in the arena, just country logo on each chest, it's so pure.

If they allow the ads the visuals will be pretty unfortunate.

And I guess its nhl rules so fighting is allowed. -_-

Canada proved in Sochi how the game of Hockey is suppose to be played. Yet again, another rule to please new north american fans who after watching that silly american football think violence is the only beauty required in sport.

There's nothing wrong with the tournament following those rules, they are quite valid and to suggest that North American fans (the first fans of hockey and still the largest fan base) are crazed fight fans is disingenuous. Even fighting has been in hockey (as we now know it) longer than hockey has been played in pretty much any European country.

 

[Get North]

If this is a best on best then I guess the NHL is a best on best. The best players scattered all over the involving teams.

 

[Sidkid87]

Team Europe? Team Young Guns? What a joke.. World Cup my a$$. More like a circus on ice. McDavid playing against the Red and White? Trying to BEAT CANADA?? Team Europe beating another country (i.e. Finland) and lining up on the blue line, arm in arm to listen to the National Anthem of.. maybe a Taylor Swift song??

What a joke.. NHL and NHLPA failed miserably putting this joke of a tournament together.

 

[Jussi]

The talk of excessive ads is so frustrating, even further ruining this tournament to levels never seen before.

I don't expect Olympic level aesthetics but Look at how beautiful the arena looks, no ads, no ads on jersey's, no ads in the arena, just country logo on each chest, it's so pure.

And I guess its nhl rules so fighting is allowed. -_-

Canada proved in Sochi how the game of Hockey is suppose to be played. Yet again, another rule to please new north american fans who after watching that silly american football think violence is the only beauty required in sport.

Actually it was at this year's Worlds that they showed how hockey can be played with the highest skill level available. They didn't play as scared as in Sochi, they weren't afraid of the size of the surface.

 

[therealdeal]

Actually it was at this year's Worlds that they showed how hockey can be played with the highest skill level available. They didn't play as scared as in Sochi, they weren't afraid of the size of the surface.

Well in the world championships other teams weren't as afraid of Canada, and that allowed them to play a different brand.

Canada got trapped and faced only 1 player in the attacking zone every game in Sochi, when other teams refuse to attack it changes the way the game goes.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Actually it was at this year's Worlds that they showed how hockey can be played with the highest skill level available. They didn't play as scared as in Sochi, they weren't afraid of the size of the surface.

Having the puck 90% of the time is not scared. Forechecking the hell out of your oppnents is not scared. Giving your opponents no room in any area of the ice is not scared. The amount of chances they could have buried in numerous games to turn the scores in routs were countless. Their ability on all areas of the game were played at a skill level only honestly matched by past Soviet teams.

The Sochi 2014 team will and is a case study for the rest of Hockey history, that team was near perfection and no 2015 Worlds team comes close to that. It was pure domination from puck drop on February 13, 2014 vs Norway.

Personally I think that's the strongest Team Canada we might see for a long time and the strongest Hockey team of this era. Better players might will come along for 2018, 2022 (Mackinnon, McDavid, etc.) but we don't know if they'll click like this ''team'' did.

 

[JackSlater]

Having the puck 90% of the time is not scared. Forechecking the hell out of your oppnents is not scared. Giving your opponents no room in any area of the ice is not scared. The amount of chances they could have buried in numerous games to turn the scores in routs were countless. Their ability on all areas of the game were played at a skill level only honestly matched by past Soviet teams.

The Sochi 2014 team will and is a case study for the rest of Hockey history, that team was near perfection and no 2015 Worlds team comes to that. It was pure domination from puck drop on February 13, 2014 vs Norway.

Personally I think that's the strongest Team Canada we might see for a long time and the strongest Hockey team of this era. Better players might will come along for 2018, 2022 (Mackinnon, McDavid, etc.) but we don't know if they'll click like this ''team'' did.

It's a lazy and inaccurate narrative that has been creeping in steadily since 2014 that Canada was some passive team. Canada comfortably outshot and more importantly outchanced its opposition in that tournament, even with a ridiculously low amount of powerplays. The 2015 Wold Championship team was more aggressive to a degree, but also faced fewer teams going into a defensive shell to try and survive.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

It's a lazy and inaccurate narrative that has been creeping in steadily since 2014 that Canada was some passive team. Canada comfortably outshot and more importantly outchanced its opposition in that tournament, even with a ridiculously low amount of powerplays. The 2015 Wold Championship team was more aggressive to a degree, but also faced fewer teams going into a defensive shell to try and survive.

Exactly, in 2014 teams knew they had no choice other then try to retreat, because if you didn't trouble was looming even more so then otherwise. Both USA and Finland games started with pressure from both those teams which Canada weathered and just outlandisly took over. And those were two pretty good teams. Finland had like 1 shot in the third period if I recall, and the US had only 1, if any at all, scoring opportunity in the final period.

In 2010 Canada was built to win.

In 2014 Canada was built to dominate.

Mission accomplished.

 

[talkinaway]

From what I read, training camps are scheduled next year as normal, and players will join once their team is eliminated. The impact this will have on the NHL season will be felt.

For the Bruins, that would mean, assuming that the preseason games in 2016 start on Sunday the 18th and go every other day, all World Cup players would at least miss the first three games with their real team. Players advancing to the semis would miss four games total. And players who go all the way would miss every single preseason game - preseason games would end September 30, while the tourney ends Oct 1, and the NHL season should start Oct 7/8.

Coming from a Bruins fan, this would be a disaster if it had been scheduled this year. Based on the 2012 Olympics and a modicum of common sense, we'd probably lose Chara, Pastrnak, Krejci, Bergeron, Rask, and Eriksson. One of the biggest questions during our preseason is what our first line with Krejci should look like, with Lucic leaving to the Kings and Pastrnak only getting the slot last year by default. With Krejci gone, and one of the "auditioning" players gone, if a Czech/Euro final happened, we'd be screwed. (Not that that would happen. But still....)

Plus, preseason NHL games already have some of the lifeblood sucked out of them, with rosters that are half NHL players, and half auditioning players. Do we need to make the NHL preseason less exciting?

 

[Stats01]

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Well a big thing about this tourney was ESPN was broadcasting, but the only game I see getting big ratings is that Can-USA game by itself on a Tuesday.

USA games will then go up against college football Sat, and college football on Thursday. Does a Thurs USA-Cze game bump CFB to ESPN2?

Overall, the Finals goes up against NFL Thurs, and possibly CFB Saturday, but gets another Tuesday by itself for GM1. Semis also go against CFB Sat, and NFL Sun.

What do people think of the schedule and how it lines up for tv both in the USA and Canada?

Another possible issue is if the Jays are anywhere near as successful as they are this year, how many people are going to switch from the Jays game to watch this? The ratings on SN are annihilating all Canadian programming, not just sports in this country but all programming period. I don't think this tournament schedule wise does itself any favours north or south of the border.

 

[Stats01]

Well if Bill Daly gets his way this is just the beginning. He's said he envisions a Ryder Cup of hockey replacing the Olympics, so Team Rest of the World v Team North America. That will be really be loads of fun.

Daly said he wants both a Ryder Cup style tournament and the World Cup. Remember..the next one in 2019 will have a qualifying tournament for other European nations, people on here are acting like this current set up is the going to last forever. It's a one time thing. Does it suck yes, is the idea stupid very much so, but it's a one off.

 

[Canuckistani]

It's a one time thing. Does it suck yes, is the idea stupid very much so, but it's a one off.

Which tells us that even the NHL knows its a stupid idea.

Why insist that a great idea is a one off?

 

[FiLe]

Does it suck yes, is the idea stupid very much so, but it's a one off.

A) We don't as of right now have this "it's a one off" in writing and B) if it sucks, it should not have existed in the first place.

 

[Jussi]

Daly said he wants both a Ryder Cup style tournament and the World Cup. Remember..the next one in 2019 will have a qualifying tournament for other European nations, people on here are acting like this current set up is the going to last forever. It's a one time thing. Does it suck yes, is the idea stupid very much so, but it's a one off.

So you're completely going to ignore the insanity of the whole Ryder Cup style tournament?

 

[Gaps]

Daly said he wants both a Ryder Cup style tournament and the World Cup. Remember..the next one in 2019 will have a qualifying tournament for other European nations, people on here are acting like this current set up is the going to last forever. It's a one time thing. Does it suck yes, is the idea stupid very much so, but it's a one off.

You don't know that it's a one-off. Yes, it's supposed to be a one-time thing, but these gimmick teams were not supposed to be a part of the World Cup in the first place. 2020 is far away, many things can change by then. The more people decide to lend their support to this circus and accept it, the more likely it is that it a) won't be a one-time thing and b) NHL players will no longer participate in the Olympics.