PGT: 9/19 - Russia vs North America - Russia 4 North America 3 F

Sky04

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A lot of "the hate" on Eichel have just been people pointing out he hasn't played well and not insinuating he's going to suck forever because of it.

Sure you have the trolls who go out of their way to bash a player and hate on them forever pretending they'll never be good because of a bad play or 2, but those are pretty easy to find and ignore. There are people like that for every player. They only show up more when some mistake are made by that player. See 4 full pages of people talking **** about Rielly after the Kuznetsov goal.

Agreed, some people taking it to extremes and calling his career on the game, and then there's super defensive people who think calling out a player for a bad game is "hate". Eichel had a terrible game all around though.

Reilly for the most part plays well, got beat by an elite offensive talent in Kuzy but made it up after with a goal himself.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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Please, Eichel is having a rough time fitting in on this team, he did in Buffalo too. He is not used to having to - his game is to control the puck and in this group of young stars he is deferring to them, passing instead of wheeling with the puck himself.

Look at this - few players in the NHL can control the puck like Eichel can. And at 19.

No forward successfully carries the puck out of their team’s defensive zone more often than Eichel does .... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-jack-eichel-is-a-puck-carrying-phenom/

Sarcasm detector must be broken... this is about the 20th time this chart has been posted.... Look Eichel is great ok. He played great. Fine ... move on.
 

Soundwave

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Matthews is good but he needs to learn to hold the puck in certain instances just half a second longer, he tried that "touch pass through traffic" a bit too much in the second half of the game and it was getting intercepted too much.

Will be a good learning experience for him.
 

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Pretty good character for them to fight back from a 4-1 deficit. A post and a couple in close shots from the tie.

Really thought they were coming back there, great game.
 

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Loved the switch to put Gaudreau with RNH and McKinnon. With the McDavid Matthews and Scheifele line the top 2 lines are set. Be interesting how the bottom 2 lines get juggled.

Nb how many minutes did Larkin play?
 

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Not trying to start an arguement here. But if this is how Matthews plays regularly. I don't see why there's any debate that hes worse than Eichel

So you saying Matthews is worse than Eichel and there is no debate about it? Interesting
 

Soundwave

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Pretty good character for them to fight back from a 4-1 deficit. A post and a couple in close shots from the tie.

Really thought they were coming back there, great game.

Yeah despite the loss this team is a joy to watch. They even have heart, thought they would give up after that 4th goal, but nope.
 

Nash

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RNH/MacKinnon/Gaudreau should have have had at least equal minutes as McDavid's line, if not more. Poor usage. Leaning too heavily on 19 year olds in a men's tournament isn't bright, even if they are wold class. I really don't mind shortening the bench, but keep the shifts short and spread the time out.

What't the average shift length for Team North America? I don't sense the same discipline as what Babcock is doing with Canada's 30 second shifts. Babs wouldn't have left PP1 out there for 1:30.
 

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Loved the switch to put Gaudreau with RNH and McKinnon. With the McDavid Matthews and Scheifele line the top 2 lines are set. Be interesting how the bottom 2 lines get juggled.

Nb how many minutes did Larkin play?

5 lol:laugh:
 

Soundwave

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RNH/MacKinnon/Gaudreau should have have had at least equal minutes as McDavid's line, if not more. Poor usage. Leaning too heavily on 19 year olds in a men's tournament isn't bright, even if they are wold class. I really don't mind shortening the bench, but keep the shifts short and spread the time out.

What't the average shift length for Team North America? I don't sense the same discipline as what Babcock is doing with Canada's 30 second shifts. Babs wouldn't have left PP1 out there for 1:30.

That line wasn't even put together until the 3rd period, next game I imagine they probably will have an even split.

The Gaudreau-Eichel-Larkin line did not play very well in the first half of the game.
 

Sky04

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Sarcasm detector must be broken... this is about the 20th time this chart has been posted.... Look Eichel is great ok. He played great. Fine ... move on.

Ya obviously he can't have a bad game, best puck carrier out of the defensive zone ever :laugh:

Jesus he was putrid to watch tonight, some people need to take off their blinders.
 

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Geezus people are so damn petty. Crapping on Drouin or Larkin, Eichel, Matthews, McDavid, Schef, or anyone else is so damn stupid in a tournament like this.

They are going against the worlds best and grown ass men. Veterans. Guys that are expected to carry their teams. The NA team obviously isn't going to go around tuning up everyone in a best on best. Honestly, everyone should be amazed at how skillful they have all looked while going against the best players in the world.

Eichel has made poor plays; McDavid isn't producing shots/goals; Ghost is making questionable passes; Matthews was gassed to no return at the end of the game... They all have imperfections BECAUSE they are going against other amazing players.

Where was OV tonight? Or malkin? Or Tarasenko. None of those guys just dominated end-to-end all night, yet no one would question their greatness, right?

Give it a rest on these guys and just enjoy the fact that you get to see this collection of young talent from opposing countries play with one another because even if they do this again, it is highly unlikely it will be nearly as skilled as this team is.

Just enjoy the hockey.
 

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I think the game breaker was Bob stopping McDavid on the break away. Not sure if Russia would have been able to come back after 0-2

Matthews also missed an open net tap in from mcDavid. Lots of plays that we can say changed the game. Bob was "on" though. Good game by him.
 

Nash

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That line wasn't even put together until the 3rd period, next game I imagine they probably will have an even split.

The Gaudreau-Eichel-Larkin line did not play very well in the first half of the game.

MacK/Nuge have been together all tourney and have been consistently good no matter who is playing with them. Regardless of Gaudreau being added late, that line should have had closer to 20 minutes.
 

Soundwave

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Geezus people are so damn petty. Crapping on Drouin or Larkin, Eichel, Matthews, McDavid, Schef, or anyone else is so damn stupid in a tournament like this.

They are going against the worlds best and grown ass men. Veterans. Guys that are expected to carry their teams. The NA team obviously isn't going to go around tuning up everyone in a best on best. Honestly, everyone should be amazed at how skillful they have all looked while going against the best players in the world.

Eichel has made poor plays; McDavid isn't producing shots/goals; Ghost is making questionable passes; Matthews was gassed to no return at the end of the game... They all have imperfections BECAUSE they are going against other amazing players.

Where was OV tonight? Or malkin? Or Tarasenko. None of those guys just dominated end-to-end all night, yet no one would question their greatness, right?

Give it a rest on these guys and just enjoy the fact that you get to see this collection of young talent from opposing countries play with one another because even if they do this again, it is highly unlikely it will be nearly as skilled as this team is.

Just enjoy the hockey.

Not to mention all/most of these Russian guys have played together at many tournaments before.

With a few exceptions these kids are basically playing together for the first time.

And they're playing without their no.1 d-man. Cut them a little slack.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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Loved the switch to put Gaudreau with RNH and McKinnon. With the McDavid Matthews and Scheifele line the top 2 lines are set. Be interesting how the bottom 2 lines get juggled.

Nb how many minutes did Larkin play?

Yikes 5:33 less than anyone else.

Drouin 9:59

Saad 11:34

the 3 lowest ice times.
 

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